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DID PRESIDENT LINCOLN BELIEVE IN GOD? resurfaced letter, raises questions about president's faith
Discovery News ^ | 04/16/2011 | Emily Sohn

Posted on 04/17/2011 8:36:17 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Abraham Lincoln is known for many things. He led the nation through the Civil War, emancipated the slaves and delivered eloquent speeches about democracy and liberty. But Lincoln's religious views have long been a matter of debate.

Now, a newly resurfaced letter from the 19th century is raising questions once again about the 16th president's relationship with God. The three-page letter, which was written by Lincoln's old law partner, William Herndon, and just went up for sale for a price of $35,000, claims that Honest Abe was driven not by faith, but by politics.

Lincoln's attitude toward religion was clearly complex, and the discussion is far from over, as some evidence suggests that Lincoln's sense of faith evolved and deepened throughout the war and his presidency. Still, the letter offers a rare view of Lincoln's inner life from someone who knew him before he went to Washington.

"Mr. Lincoln's religion is too well known to me to allow of even a shadow of a doubt; he is or was a Theist & a Rationalist, denying all extraordinary -- supernatural inspiration or revelation," Herndon wrote in the letter, signed Feb. 4, 1866, a year after Lincoln's assassination.

"At one time in his life, to say the least, he was an elevated Pantheist, doubting the immortality of the soul as the Christian world understands that term," continued the letter, addressed to Edward McPherson, Clerk of the U.S. House of Representatives. "I love Mr. Lincoln dearly, almost worship him, but that can't blind me. He's the purest politician I ever saw, and the justest man."

Born in a log cabin in Kentucky in 1809, Lincoln was raised as a Baptist but rejected organized religion and never joined a congregation as an adult. After trying out a variety of careers, including postmaster and surveyor, he taught himself to be a lawyer and moved to Illinois, where he eventually partnered with Herndon in 1844. The two remained close until 1861, when Lincoln left to begin his presidency.

Twenty years later, immediately after Lincoln's death in 1865, a flurry of biographies emerged, many of them attempting to Christianize Lincoln, said historian Ronald White, author of A. Lincoln: A Biography. Herndon wanted to set the record straight.

So, he embarked on a journey to collect oral histories about the real Lincoln, which would eventually lead to another biography, published years later with help from a collaborator. Herndon's letter to Congress was part of that effort.

"People debate Lincoln's religion today. It is often invoked in public debate and there is also active debate among scholars," said Nathan Raab, vice president of the Raab Collection, which acquired the letter from a very old private collection and put it up for sale this week. "This letter brings that debate into the foreground."

Herndon's personal experience with Lincoln was limited to his pre-presidential period, when religion was completely absent from his life. After Lincoln left for the White House, the two never met up again.

But the challenges of a presidency, the angst of the Civil War and the 1862 death of his 11-year-old son would push Lincoln to consider God in ways he never had before, said White, who added that religion is something most Lincoln biographers have skimmed over.

Lincoln's second inaugural address points to his eventual embrace of religion in midlife, White said. The speech, which was just 701 words long, mentions God 14 times and quotes the Bible four times, with two references to the Old Testament and two to the New Testament. In comparison, there were zero biblical references in his first inaugural and just one Bible quote in all previous inaugural addresses combined.

After his son's death, Lincoln also developed a strong relationship with a Presbyterian minister named Phineas Densmore Gurley. And after his own death in 1865, Lincoln's secretary John Hay found an untitled and undated document in Lincoln's desk that both questioned God's presence in the midst of the Civil War and offered affirmation that God was somehow a silent actor in the war. Hay called it: Meditation on the Divine Will.

"I'm arguing that Lincoln went on a remarkable faith journey that moves forward quickly and matures during his four years as president," White said. "He was not just dropping phrases from the Bible. In both the second inaugural and the Meditation on the Divine Will, he was dealing at a very deep level with profound religious questions."

The rediscovered letter is undoubtedly an important document about an important historical figure, experts said. It isn't necessarily earth shattering, but it adds depth to our knowledge of Lincoln's personal life.

"It confirms what Herndon wrote in his letters and his essay on Lincoln's religion, so we are not exactly discovering something new or scandalous," said Allen Guelzo, a historian at Gettysburg College in Penn., and author of Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation: The End of Slavery in America. "But it is certainly a great letter, and puts into one long paragraph much of what Herndon would say about Lincoln's religion in the coming years."


TOPICS: History; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: god; presidentlincoln
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1 posted on 04/17/2011 8:36:21 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Lincoln's attitude toward religion was clearly complex, and the discussion is far from over, as some evidence suggests that Lincoln's sense of faith evolved and deepened throughout the war and his presidency. Still, the letter offers a rare view of Lincoln's inner life, from someone who knew him before he went to Washington.
2 posted on 04/17/2011 8:37:16 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Lincoln believes in God now.


3 posted on 04/17/2011 8:38:17 AM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: SeekAndFind

We always knew he was a godless tyrant.


4 posted on 04/17/2011 8:42:01 AM PDT by Tzfat
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To: Tzfat

RE: We always knew he was a godless tyrant.

I gather you still long for the Confederacy...


5 posted on 04/17/2011 8:43:12 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: ex-snook

These idiots, these revisionists, would have us believe that the founders of our nation were atheists, pagans or worse.


6 posted on 04/17/2011 8:43:53 AM PDT by Mmogamer (I refudiate the lamestream media, leftists and their prevaricutions.)
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To: SeekAndFind
"One eighth of the whole population were colored slaves, not distributed generally over the Union, but localized in the Southern part of it. These slaves constituted a peculiar and powerful interest. All knew that this interest was, somehow, the cause of the war."

"Both read the same Bible, and pray to the same God; and each invokes His aid against the other. It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God's assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men's faces; but let us judge not that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered; that of neither has been answered fully." -

"With malice toward none; with charity for all; with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in; to bind up the nation's wounds; to care for him who shall have borne the battle, and for his widow, and his orphan..." -- March 4, 1865 - Lincoln's Second Inaugural Address

7 posted on 04/17/2011 8:46:59 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: SeekAndFind

Abe Lincoln: “In regards to this great Book (the Bible), I have but to say it is the best
gift God has given to man. All the good the Savior gave to the world was
communicated through this Book. But for it we could not know right
from wrong. All things most desirable for man’s welfare, here and
hereafter, are found portrayed in it.”

“Sir, my concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God’s side, for God is always right. “

Sounds like a believer to me.


8 posted on 04/17/2011 8:48:13 AM PDT by traderrob6
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To: SeekAndFind

I long for the Federal government to get out of our business and leave us alone. Lincoln started all of this...


9 posted on 04/17/2011 8:50:58 AM PDT by Tzfat
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To: SeekAndFind

The name Israel means “Wrestles with God”. All Christians wrestle with issues of their faith. It is good and healthy.

If you don’t you becomes susceptible to excesses like the followers of the religion that means “Submission to God”.


10 posted on 04/17/2011 8:51:16 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Mmogamer
These idiots, these revisionists, would have us believe that the founders of our nation were atheists, pagans or worse.

Well, some of them were Deists or had Deist leanings. Asserting that they were atheists or pagans would just be silly...not that there's anything wrong with being an atheist or pagan, of course.

11 posted on 04/17/2011 9:02:07 AM PDT by Abin Sur
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To: SeekAndFind
Two things of the utmost importance have to be understood first ~ but most Protestants and Catholics have no idea about them. They are: Baptist Church, when preceded by "Primitive", as in the "Primitive Baptist Church" where Lincoln's parents held membership, actually means one of the three divisions of the Christian Church Movement (you can pick up on a lot of this stuff by studying Christian Church, Church of Christ (noninstrumental) and Disciples of Christ).

His statement that he was "not a member of any organized religion" is kind of an inside joke within the Christian Church Movement. Even though they have an outward appearance of being organized into congregations and conferences, it's more typical for any congregation to break up into two or more congregations once they get much more than 100 families involved.

Baptist commentaries on the Christian Church Movement congregations frequently refer to them as "so-called churches in a so-called religion".

Lincoln gave every indication of being nothing other than an independent member of a rather disorganized Christian Church. With all the abuse being dumped on them at the time by the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists and Mormons, it's no wonder he kept his mouth shut about it.

12 posted on 04/17/2011 9:09:04 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: SeekAndFind
I don't think there is any such thing as a "simple" belief in God among true believers. Jefferson also had a very complex belief in God which has led liberals to proclaim him to be a deist but they only look far enough to justify what they want to believe.

God loves thinkers.

“Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear”

-Jefferson
13 posted on 04/17/2011 9:09:31 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: SeekAndFind

Lincoln´s gay. He´s black. He was an atheist. He cheated at cards....

What drivel.


14 posted on 04/17/2011 9:12:19 AM PDT by onedoug (If)
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To: SeekAndFind
The Reverend John Leland who worked with James Madison to work out the words in the First Amendment started as a Baptist and ended up as a Primitive Baptist ~ and set hundreds of pre-Dark Ages vespers to modern music.

He is credited with founding Gospel Music, particularly for use by African American slaves.

There have never been many of these people, but they have had an incredibly profound impact on American beliefs and history.

15 posted on 04/17/2011 9:14:23 AM PDT by muawiyah
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Lincoln´s gay. He´s black. He was an atheist. He cheated at cards....

You left out that he once went through the supermarket Express Lane with more than 15 items.

16 posted on 04/17/2011 9:14:29 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: cripplecreek

Glenn Beck uses the “Question with Boldness” phrase a lot.


17 posted on 04/17/2011 9:14:47 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Darwinism is to Genesis as Global Warming is to Revelations.)
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To: onedoug

I heard that Lincoln asked for a party of five at Texas Road House but then a friend showed up, and they didn’t tell the hostess they actually had six people.


18 posted on 04/17/2011 9:17:06 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Darwinism is to Genesis as Global Warming is to Revelations.)
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To: muawiyah

Franklin is a good example of a disorganized Christian of his day. He attended whatever church happened to be nearby regardless of denomination. He was also the largest single donor to the construction of America’s first Synagogue. (Something like 8 shillings)

He was a regular raving moonbat when compared to a very conservative and reserved George Washington but Franklin was also the man to request a prayer in the constitutional convention.

http://www.constitution.org/primarysources/franklin.html


19 posted on 04/17/2011 9:22:47 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Mmogamer

Read the article.


20 posted on 04/17/2011 9:26:43 AM PDT by cydcharisse (`)
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