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Is all this bitterness because you missed a wedding?

There ya go assuming (Mormon temple wedding)...Sorry, my family's Mormonism runs in the other direction...

There ya go assuming (bitterness)...violating FR protocol by reading minds (ya might want to reconsider your personal commandment of "Thou shalt judge personal inward motivations of strangers"...as if you had your magic 8-ball handy for such a task)

You don’t see them viciously attacking others...

Oh, they delegate that to their tithe.

(There's a certain typical Lds philosophy we hear: "Speak softly and carry a big Mormon 'scripture' stick")

Definition of such a "stick':
"You Christian sects are 100% wrong;
100% apostates;
100% creedally putrid;
100% corrupt as believers...
100% false and dead church...
...Signed: Cordially, your "nice" Mormon neighbor
P.S. "Of course, we'll be polite & use Lds missionary doorstep language like 'universal apostasy' instead of pointing our fingers right @ you..."
"...and we'll fund the outer darkness out of hundreds of different Pearl of Great Price & D&C translations which mention ALL of the above...so our 'big stick' will seem once-removed..."
"...But make no mistake about it, we've sent out literally over 1 million Lds missionaries who've carried this 'Big Stick' around the world!!!"

You don’t see them viciously attacking others like you’ve done here.

When HEADQUARTERS has already done the job...

Joseph Smith continues: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (, p.270).

Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (, p. 119).

Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" ( 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" ( 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" ( 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (, vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" ( 10:230).

Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (, p. 255).

Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (, 18:172).

President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (, vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (, 10:127).

James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (, p.182).

President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (, vol. 3, p.282).

More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (, p.316).

President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).

President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (, vol. 2, p.196).

You don’t see them viciously attacking others like you’ve done here. You aren’t turning Mormons away and you certainly aren’t winning any of them over to Christ.

More "omniscience" on your part?

You seem to know exactly how many "witnesses" occur daily between millions of Christians & Lds.
You seem to know who's being won over and who isn't @ any given time.
You seemed to know about some Mormon daughter I had of whose wedding I couldn't attend. (Let me know when you find that phantom daughter)
You seemed to pronounce some psycho-analysis of me as being rooted in "bitterness" from afar when all my Lds relatives have been as "decent" and (relatively) "good" as the ones you've mentioned on past threads where we've commented together. [My Lds relatives & friends have been at least cordial toward me; & some downright loving]

But I didn't know that meant Driftdiver 3:16 was applicable on these threads: "Withhold the Gospel truth from outwardly 'decent' and 'good' folk."

Since you accuse me of "viciously attacking" Lds in my post #1, do you belong to one of those Christian churches that simply disagrees with any mention of hell? Yes? (Or, I s'pose it could simply be your own temperament that doesn't have a thing to do w/your church...But, hey, unlike you, I at least ask on my assumptions rather than blurting them out as if omnisciently true)

What did you think of how Jesus mentioned hell several times?
What did you think of Jesus calling the Pharisees children of the devil in John 8? (Not a cool move on Jesus' part?)
What about all the times Jesus ragged on the legalists of His day?
Are Christians supposed to take pride in being "nicer than Jesus?" (Or what?)
Did Jesus witness distinctly to the Pharisees, than, say, the woman at the well? Did He come across "tougher" -- and even less "winsome" to the Pharisees than others? (Yes? No?)

Did you ever read about how Paul would regularly debate & refute & argue with Jews in the synagogue -- and Apollos joined him?
Is what they did simply "below" you? Something you would ne'er "stoop" to?