Posted on 04/03/2011 8:11:07 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
Your friend’s ancestors must have immigrated 1846-47. That was a hard trek. One has to give credit to their persistence in developing a city out of what was then a hostile desert. Still is, once outside the metropolitan area.
You got this hang up about and trying to frame the discussion around that perjorative.
We don’t hate Mormons or LDS. We disagree with their doctrine but, a good many Christians don’t know the difference between them.
We are here to educate and illuminate.
I don’t think we are “Apostates and Whores of Babylon” but they most certainly do.
Who’s that hate-uh?
Yep. Here father was sent $10 and a ticket to come to America from England and from wherever he landed he made his way to Brigham Young and they set out across the plains until they arrived in Zion.
Dangit! My typing is horrible this morning.
I need to go on a diet and lose these fat fingers.
Lutherans as well teach the Apostle, Nicene and Athanasian creeds, not only in Sunday School but in their catechisms and confirmation classes. "Yes Jesus Loves Me" is in no way comparable to these creeds. It is a friendly, children directed song about Christ's love.
Can you show me a FReeper post by a Mormon that calls Christians "Apostates and Whores of Babylon?"
It is taught to children before the age of rational thought. It is done to indoctrinate (literally) rather than educate. It is done out of love, however, and therefore cannot be faulted on moral grounds.
Why do you want me to show “A Freeper post by a Mormon” calling Christians “Apostates and Whores of Babylon”?
When you wrote: I don’t think we are “Apostates and Whores of Babylon” but they most certainly do.. Weren't you referring to "they" as Mormons?
Yep.
And I suspect you already know where this going but continue.
But try not telegraph so much.
I am going to have to remember that one.
Great response.
I have refrained from writing anything critical of LDS religion. Yet you have just attacked my beliefs. Thus, you answered your own previous post #42 to Vendome. I must be that 'Whore of Babylon' and you're the FReeper who called me such for the practices I maintain.
Were you ever of the Lutheran faith? If not, then who are you to make concrete statements about using a song to indoctrinate vs educate? Who are you? Frankly, there's a lot I could have said (but kept silent about) about our time in "Happy Valley". I think I will...
The way our son was made fun of by his schoolmates when in public school because he was a 'Gentile'.
How his locker was burned because he was a 'Gentile'.
How he received a failing grade on a book report he turned in because his teacher claimed he plagiarized content (I confronted that teacher in front of her principal, and she had to back down on that statement...and the grade as well). And most probably because he was a 'Gentile'.
How businessmen my company spent millions with refused to acknowledge me in public because I was a 'Gentile' but would be the friendliest sort when they wanted some business.
How my neighbor, who was Mormon, once invited us over for a party celebrating the new gazebo he'd built in his back yard, telling me he'd let me know when. Then we come to find out the party was that night and we were 'excluded'. I guess he meant he'd have another small function later for his 'Gentile' acquaintances.
Shall I go on? No, I don't hate Mormons. I don't hate anyone. That's for God to sort out. Yet those who act "Holier than thou" with little basis for it should learn when to maintain their silence.
Now, just what did I say here attack your doctrine or how you 'indoctrinate'?
I don’t know what I am telegraphing except that it is ignorant to attack another FReepers’ religion without provocation. Besides, all of the other religions think our religion is wrong, so why pick on Mormons who do not harm us, who support our Conservative mission?
I defend Mormons, not because I believe they are right doctrinally, but because I believe most are good people who deserve their first amendment rights on a Conservative forum, and because my fellow Christians often embarrass me, not by their beliefs, but by their behavior.
They condemn the Pharisees while behaving like Pharisees.
I did not and would not.
You did and you would. You said the song was used to indoctrinate. That’s false and intentionally spiteful, IMO. You obviously had no basis for that statement but made it anyway. The point is clear.
IMO, there is a major difference between the teaching of the love of Christ to Christian children and this article which teaches of so-called "persecution" FOR beliefs. There is nothing in the tale of Smith's tarring and feathering that teaches of love OR of Christ and IMO is highly unsuitable for children of the age of eight.
I can't believe that any educated Christian could believe that attacking someone is a way to bring them to Christ.
Well then, do you approve of 52,000 mormon missionaries going out every day, 24/7 and informing Christians that THEIR faith is wrong and the ONLY way to salvation is to become baptized and confirmed as members of the mormon church and then becomoing "worthy" enough to enter the restricted temples to perform arcane rituals that are supposed to "bind" God to the will of the mormon church?
The problem is that when these missionaries knock on the door, they don't provide the truth of Jesus Christ...nor the truth of mormon belief AND the restrictions therein.
Quoting you: "I can't believe that any educated Christian could believe that attacking someone is a way to bring them to Christ"....I can't believe that any educated PERSON could believe that lying to someone is a way to bring them to Christ. I can't believe that any educated PERSON could believe that sin consists of drinking a cup of tea or coffee, having a glass of the beverage favored by Christ--wine, not wearing the "required underwear", even smoking a cigar...along with not paying a full ten percent of one's income to the church which does not account for it, and that these "sins" will keep one from becoming saved and being "eligible" to join God and The Savior in Heaven.
Quoting you again, "I can't believe that any educated Christian could believe that attacking someone is a way to bring them to Christ."
Provide proof that I attack a "someone". Attacking the cultish beliefs and actions of the institute of mormonism is NOT attacking someone personally and the history of mormon leaders attacking Christianity shows that it is just fine with them.
Watch the following clips for more.
"Are Mormons Christian-Part 1"
First off, then you have absolutely no idea what is going on here and showed up under some thought of a crusade to defend Mormonism.
Fine, but the rest of us are educating others about the difference between Christians and LDS in hopes they won’t make a tragic mistake and leave the fold of the flock for a false religion.
That ain’t hate, that’s a fact and it’s a two way street.
To answer your question about question about “Apostates and Whores of Babylon” it is, most definitely, a part of their doctrine.
If you don’t find it offensive fine by me. Heck, I’m not offended by it either but it does point to a rather immature religion, who seeks to co-opt and undermine all of Christianity to serve their ends and they use any means to get there.
Further, they hide these facts from anyone until they have been converted. That’s deceit and God isn’t a liar.
See my next post which answers your original question . . . more accurately.
1. Do you know the definition of indoctrinate? 2. Do you realize that most of the world does not agree with your personal religious doctrine. 3. Why do you think teaching doctrine is bad?
I'm sure you must be right. Could you give me an example of a FReeper Mormon attacking Christianity?
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