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To: Vendome

I don’t know what I am telegraphing except that it is ignorant to attack another FReepers’ religion without provocation. Besides, all of the other religions think our religion is wrong, so why pick on Mormons who do not harm us, who support our Conservative mission?

I defend Mormons, not because I believe they are right doctrinally, but because I believe most are good people who deserve their first amendment rights on a Conservative forum, and because my fellow Christians often embarrass me, not by their beliefs, but by their behavior.

They condemn the Pharisees while behaving like Pharisees.


54 posted on 04/03/2011 10:06:55 AM PDT by Tread EZ (God bless you and yours)
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To: Tread EZ

First off, then you have absolutely no idea what is going on here and showed up under some thought of a crusade to defend Mormonism.

Fine, but the rest of us are educating others about the difference between Christians and LDS in hopes they won’t make a tragic mistake and leave the fold of the flock for a false religion.

That ain’t hate, that’s a fact and it’s a two way street.

To answer your question about question about “Apostates and Whores of Babylon” it is, most definitely, a part of their doctrine.

If you don’t find it offensive fine by me. Heck, I’m not offended by it either but it does point to a rather immature religion, who seeks to co-opt and undermine all of Christianity to serve their ends and they use any means to get there.

Further, they hide these facts from anyone until they have been converted. That’s deceit and God isn’t a liar.

See my next post which answers your original question . . . more accurately.


58 posted on 04/03/2011 10:16:30 AM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: Tread EZ

BTW, there is no LDS if they are not “The Restored Church” so I understand their view, I just don’t believe it.

In order for them to be “The Restored Church” and the one true church, all others would necessarily have to be wrong.


61 posted on 04/03/2011 10:19:47 AM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: Tread EZ

These statements and more demonstrate the seperateness of Christianity and Mormonism.

The only reason they say "We are Christian" is an attempt to morph into something they are not and co-opt Christianity.

 

"What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world"
- Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr., Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 270

"...all the priests who adhere to the sectarian religions of the day with all their followers, without one exception, receive their portion with the devil and his angels."
- Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr. , The Elders Journal, v. 1, no. 4, p. 60

"With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world."
- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 8, p.

"Christians—those poor, miserable priests brother Brigham was speaking about—some of them are the biggest whoremasters there are on the earth, and at the same time preaching righteousness to the children of men. The poor devils, they could not get up here and preach an oral discourse, to save themselves from hell; they are preaching their fathers' sermons —preaching sermons that were written a hundred years before they were born. ...You may get a Methodist priest to pour water on you, or sprinkle it on you, and baptize you face foremost, or lay you down the other way, and whatever mode you please, and you will be damned with your priest.
- Apostle Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses, v. 5, p. 89

"What! Are Christians ignorant? Yes, as ignorant of the things of God as the brute beast."
- Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, v. 13, p. 225

"Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the ‘whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent."
- Apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 255

"After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon."
- Apostle George Q. Cannon, Gospel Truth, p. 324

Believers in the doctrines of modern Christendom will reap damnation to their souls.”
- Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, see pp. 45-46

"I was answered that I must join none of them (Christian Churches), for they were all wrong...that all their creeds were an abomination in His sight" (Joseph Smith History 1:19).

"...orthodox Christian views of God are Pagan rather than Christian." (Mormon Doctrine of Deity by B.H. Roberts, p.116)

"...the God whom the 'Christians' worship is a being of their own creation..." (Apostle Charles W. Penrose, JD 23:243)

"The Christian world, so called, are heathens as to their knowledge of the salvation of God." (Brigham Young, JD 8:171)

"What! Are Christians ignorant? Yes, as ignorant of the things of God as the brute best." (John Taylor, JD 13:225)

"What does the Christian world know about God? Nothing...Why so far as the things of God are concerned, they are the veriest fools; they know neither God nor the things of God." (John Taylor, JI) 13:225)

"Believers in the doctrines of modern Christendom will reap damnation to their souls (Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p.177)

"...brother Joseph B. Nobles once told a Methodist priest, after hearing him describe his god, that the god they worshiped was the "Mormon's" Devil-a being without a body, whereas our God has a body, parts and passions." (Brigham Young, JD 5:331)

"...the great apostate church as the anti-christ...This great antichrist...is the church of the devil." (Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine p.40)

"Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the "whore of Babylon" whom the lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness." (Pratt, The Seer, p.255)

 

“God is not at its head, making that church [i.e., Christianity] – following the appearance in it of Satan – no longer the church of God. To say that Satan sits in the place of God in Christianity after the time of the apostles is not to say that all that is in it is Satanic.”
- Kent P. Jackson, “Early Signs of Apostasy,” Ensign, December 1984, p. 9

1 Nephi 14:10 "Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of god, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth."

"Orthodox Christian views of God are pagan rather than Christian" (Mormon Doctrine of Deity, B. H. Roberts [General Authority], 116).

Brigham Young: “…and he that confesseth not that Jesus has come in the flesh and sent Joseph Smith with the fullness of the Gospel to this generation, is not of God, but is Antichrist.” (Journal of Discourses, Vol 9 pg 312).

Mormon Apostle Hyrum M. Smith,- “In fact, my brethren and sisters, if the falsity of a religion can be measured in any degree by the amount of trouble and turmoil and strife and bitterness and hatred that it has engendered in the hearts of men, if it can be judged by the number of wars it has carried on and the rivers of blood it has shed, the amount of misery and sorrow, it has caused, or the extremes of impurity, found among its adherents, then Christianity, that which is known as Christianity, is the falsest of all religions in the world… The trouble is, as God declared to Joseph the Prophet, mankind have gone astray. Their religions are an abomination in his sight, and their professors are corrupt because they have turned away from the truth and have turned unto fables.” (Conference Report, October 1916, p.43).

 

 

The plaque above is found in Temple Square with Joseph Smith a top it. You may need to blow up the picture to read it. If you are unable, I or some other Freeper will send you the verbiage.


62 posted on 04/03/2011 10:22:03 AM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: Tread EZ
I don’t know what I am telegraphing except that it is ignorant to attack another FReepers’ religion without provocation.


YEA! Like that Apostle Paul guy!

"And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about. For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness." II Corinthians

97 posted on 04/03/2011 11:11:09 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Tread EZ
They condemn the Pharisees while behaving like Pharisees.

Sigh; you are getting your religious terms all confused.

The Pharisee's taught WRONG doctrine; we christians are pointing that out.

You SURELY have no problem with ERROR being illuminated; do you?

372 posted on 04/03/2011 8:23:38 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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