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Rush Limbaugh accuses Obama of 'character assassination'[Technique in Apologetics]
www.politico.com ^ | 4/4/2010 | Jonathan Martin

Posted on 03/03/2011 5:37:14 AM PST by verdugo

Rush Limbaugh accuses Obama of 'character assassination'

The president is trying to trick Rush Limbaugh into talking about himself and would rather engage in "character assassination" than debate conservatives in the "Arena of Ideas," the conservative talker charges in an e-mail to POLITICO.

Two days after President Barack Obama labeled Limbaugh and conservative television host Glenn Beck "troublesome" in a CBS interview, Limbaugh says Obama is trying to get him off his game.

"I think the president is trying to distract me, to get me talking about ME on my show instead of talking about him and the regime's agenda. But it won't work. I'm wise to their tactics," he wrote. "I know that a majority of Americans are angry at the regime's (and the Democrats') constant attempts at character assassination of their opposition. They want no part of engaging us in the Arena of Ideas. They seek instead to discredit and marginalize us, and it has gotten old."

Obama's shot at Limbaugh and Beck demonstrates that a long-running White House effort to undermine influential elements of the Republican coalition remains in effect.

Asked generally about the "level of enmity that crosses the airwaves," Obama slammed Limbaugh and Beck by name.

"Well, I think that when you listen to Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck, it's pretty apparent, and it's troublesome, but keep in mind that there have been periods in American history where this kind of vitriol comes out," Obama said. "It happens often when you've got an economy that is making people more anxious and people are feeling like there is a lot of change that needs to take place. But that's not the vast majority of Americans. I think the vast majority of Americans know that we're trying hard, that I want what's best for the country."

Democratic strategists say the president can rally his liberal base by taking on icons of the conservative movement and also appeal to independents and moderate Republicans who are turned off by the style — and substance — offered by talk show hosts who run hot.

Though some analysts predict that Obama's most recent remarks will raise Limbaugh's profile, Limbaugh said that's no longer possible.

"How can I possibly be elevated as a voice of the opposition?" he wrote. "I'm already on the top of the mountain, and the regime put me there shortly after they took office."


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Eastern Religions; Mainline Protestant
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1 posted on 03/03/2011 5:37:17 AM PST by verdugo
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To: Religion Moderator
1. The thread title is renamed -- on the original site it is "Rush Limbaugh accuses Obama of 'character assassination'"

2. This is not a Religion Forum Topic, and should be in the open Forum

2 posted on 03/03/2011 5:40:09 AM PST by Cronos ("They object to tradition saying that they themselves are wiser than the apostles" - Ire.III.2.2)
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To: verdugo

Although this is a secular political article, it clearly demonstrates the subject in which I wish to discuss on this thread, the sad to say COMMON PPRACTICE of many on FR religious forums ( and mind you, I am a traditional Catholic and only debate in Catholic forums) of engaging in “character assassination” rather than debate in the “Arena of Ideas,” ...trying to distract, to get one talking about ME, instead of talking about/in .. Arena of Ideas. They seek instead to discredit and marginalize, and it has gotten old.”


3 posted on 03/03/2011 5:43:40 AM PST by verdugo ("You can't lie, even to save the World")
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To: Religion Moderator
Although this is a secular political article, it clearly demonstrates the subject in which I wish to discuss on this thread, the sad to say COMMON PPRACTICE of many on FR religious forums ... of engaging in “character assassination” rather than debate in the “Arena of Ideas,”
5 posted on 03/03/2011 5:47:59 AM PST by verdugo ("You can't lie, even to save the World")
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To: verdugo
Two days after President Barack Obama labeled Limbaugh and conservative television host Glenn Beck "troublesome" in a CBS interview....

I'm reminded of the ancient call for assassination: "Who will rid me of this troublesome priest?"

6 posted on 03/03/2011 6:16:23 AM PST by Lazamataz (Scott Walker: Please FIRE.... then APPOINT... then VOTE.)
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To: verdugo
Although this is a secular political article....

.... and thusly, should not be in the Religion forum, no matter what cockamamie point you are trying to make by miscategorizing it.

7 posted on 03/03/2011 6:19:34 AM PST by Lazamataz (Scott Walker: Please FIRE.... then APPOINT... then VOTE.)
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To: verdugo; Admin Moderator

Wrong title. Wrong category.


8 posted on 03/03/2011 6:20:33 AM PST by Lazamataz (Scott Walker: Please FIRE.... then APPOINT... then VOTE.)
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To: verdugo
Although this is a secular political article, it clearly demonstrates the subject in which I wish to discuss on this thread, the sad to say COMMON PRACTICE of many on FR religious forums ( and mind you, I am a traditional Catholic and only debate in Catholic forums) of engaging in “character assassination” rather than debate in the “Arena of Ideas” ...trying to distract, to get one talking about ME, instead of talking about/in .. Arena of Ideas. They seek instead to discredit and marginalize, and it has gotten old.

See also Unsound Sticks, or, Arguments Catholics Shouldn't Use

9 posted on 03/03/2011 6:42:31 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: verdugo
Also these:
Rules of Engagement for Catholics on the Internet
Toward a Theological Ethic for Internet Discourse
16 Ways to be a better and holier blog commenter

10 posted on 03/03/2011 6:47:45 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: verdugo
So, instead of engaging in the “arena of ideas” you engage in character assassination and personal attacks via a group denunciation?

Never mind the mote in thy neighbors eyes, care to the beam in thy own.

11 posted on 03/03/2011 6:50:45 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: verdugo
I am a chilly doughnut --> yeah, right....
12 posted on 03/03/2011 7:03:12 AM PST by Cronos ("They object to tradition saying that they themselves are wiser than the apostles" - Ire.III.2.2)
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To: Alex Murphy

talking to yourself again?


13 posted on 03/03/2011 7:04:04 AM PST by Cronos ("They object to tradition saying that they themselves are wiser than the apostles" - Ire.III.2.2)
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To: verdugo

Yeah, it may “have gotten old”, and it happens all too frequently, and not just in Catholic forums.

It’s a common practice/tactic for those who; are losing the argument, have no legitimate reply, or are just plain stupid.

I call the perpetrator on it and move on. They usually slink away.

Either “man up” and confront them or post only on Caucus threads if folks are upsetting you.


14 posted on 03/03/2011 7:05:05 AM PST by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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To: verdugo

Do not change the article’s title. Add your comments in brackets.


15 posted on 03/03/2011 7:32:52 AM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: verdugo
Rush took the time to e-mail Politico?

I'm suspicious.

16 posted on 03/03/2011 7:34:06 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: SZonian
re:Yeah, it may “have gotten old”, and it happens all too frequently, and not just in Catholic forums.

It’s a common practice/tactic for those who; are losing the argument, have no legitimate reply, or are just plain stupid.

That's EXACTLY the conclusion that I came to!

re:I call the perpetrator on it and move on. They usually slink away.

I always call them on it. They eventually slink away, but before that, the next step seems to be that they get COURAGE from calling others like them that "have no legitimate reply, or are just plain stupid".

re: Either “man up” and confront them or post only on Caucus threads if folks are upsetting you.

It is on Caucus or like Caucus threads since I only debate on Catholic subjects with Catholics. There may be borderline discussions like with Catholics who think that other religions are Catholic. so, that does not altogether solve this aberrant childish behavior, as you might of thought.

By the way, no one is upsetting me. If one let's people upset them , then they have lost. Rush Limbaugh is not upset or complaining, neither am I. We are both addressing the issue. "Character assassination" without engaging in the "arena of ideas". This thread is about teaching others how normal debate should be carried on, that character assassination without addressing in "arena of ideas" is wrong, AND like you succinctly concluded :

It’s a common practice/tactic for those who; are losing the argument, have no legitimate reply, or are just plain stupid.

Thank you for your contribution to the discussion, though it was succinct, it says everything.

19 posted on 03/03/2011 8:27:02 AM PST by verdugo ("You can't lie, even to save the World")
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To: allmendream

Can you give some examples of my not engaging in the arena ideas and strictly using “group denunciation”?

This is what this thread is about, speaking the ideas.


20 posted on 03/03/2011 8:29:51 AM PST by verdugo ("You can't lie, even to save the World")
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To: verdugo

What idea do you seek to discuss?

The idea that non-Catholics as a group tend towards personal attacks instead of engaging in ideas?

LOL!!!

Yeah, that is an “idea” that is apart from personal attacks and group denunciations!

NOT!


21 posted on 03/03/2011 8:36:14 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: Religion Moderator
re:Do not change the article’s title. Add your comments in brackets.

I can see what you did to the title, I understand. Thank you. ---------------------------------- Would you be so kind as to remove my postings 4, 17, 18

22 posted on 03/03/2011 8:36:49 AM PST by verdugo ("You can't lie, even to save the World")
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To: allmendream

Your original posting said “you” three times, so I responded and asked where I, engaged in such tactics.

Apparently you were not talking about me. My misunderstanding.


23 posted on 03/03/2011 8:40:30 AM PST by verdugo ("You can't lie, even to save the World")
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