Bible Reading: 1 Maccabees 2 {Ecumenical thread}

Douay-Rheims ^ | 175 BC | Maccabee

[roamer_1]

And yet without that one has what RC Sproul says "a FALLIBLE collection of INFALLIBLE books"

Not at all - The only sanctioned (by YHWH) "canon" is the Torah - And the Hebrews lived without a canonical structure for more than 2000 years. It isn't necessary, and it may be limiting.

[Cronos]

a Jew with a view :) outlines the Jewish point that the Tanakh does not have the same references as the Septuagint. Hence if there are Protestants who disclaim the Septuagint in favor of the Tanach then they must hold to this person's point of view which elaborates as

From the site: ajewwithaview (link above): The Jewish G-d never, ever takes human form – and certainly doesn’t pop in to planet earth to impregnate a Nice Jewish Girl...Above all, though, Jesus did not fulfill any of the Jewish messianic prophecies

--> so, if one says that the Church is wrong to take the works like Maccabees etc. from the Septuagint as all should be derived from the Tanakh, then must agree with the author of the above

[roamer_1]

so, if one says that the Church is wrong to take the works like Maccabees etc. from the Septuagint as all should be derived from the Tanakh, then must agree with the author of the above

MUST? Non-sequitur.

I agree with YHWH:

Act 7:38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

Rom 3:1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
Rom 3:2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

(e-Sword:KJV)

Yet, it is a simple thing to prove: Rather than make base accusations, find out the truth of the matter - The oldest extant book of the Bible is Isaiah, predating Yeshua by several hundred years. Pictures of the actual scroll exist online.

Look it up, and let the TRUTH prevail. I wonder if you dare...

[metmom]

Rhetorical advantage is gained by asserting a point of known controversy, and controversy shut off by the "ecumenical" label.

I've seen worse. I don't see any point in playing.

Well said.

Cronos, do not ping me to any further ecumenical threads, whether you posted them or not.

[Pyro7480]

Well, Cronos, I’ll give you credit for this: this thread has proven that some don’t want to have a reasonable debate. They can’t get by without their usual clubs.

[Judith Anne]

Rhetorical advantage is gained by asserting a point of known controversy, and controversy shut off by the "ecumenical" label.

Controversy is not disallowed. Antagonism is disallowed. Interesting that some think that controversy automatically must mean antagonism.

Here is the Religion Moderator's discussion about Ecumenical Threads:

http://www.freerepublic.com/~religionmoderator/

[Cronos]

this thread has proven that some don’t want to have a reasonable debate. They can’t get by without their usual clubs.

Yes -- in an ecumenical thread, one can debate, but not post slurs or insults. It seems that many of our opponents have no aim to debate but just want to vent their daily frustration.

[Judith Anne]

The ecumenical threads are very useful, to separate out the ones who want to post slurs and insults. Since they cannot, on ecumenical threads, they do not wish to participate.

[lastchance]

Oh how heavy tongues lie when they are weighed down with the restraint of civility and reason.

[ChicagoHebrew]

The amusing thing about placing them in scripture is that 1 Maccabees freely admits it wasn’t written with prophetic inspiration. Heck, it records that the Maccabees took certain conduct because there were no longer any prophets to tell them what to do. 1 Macc.4:46

[Cronos]

Where exactly does Maccabees say that it wasn't written with prophetic inspiration. And is "prophetic" inspiration the only criteria? Philemon was / is inspired, but "prophetic" inspiration?

[Cronos]

Sure — got it, no ecumenical threads whether discussing the Bible or not for you. will do! And God bless you.

[metmom]

Sure — got it, no ecumenical threads whether discussing the Bible or not for you. will do!

Not correct. No ecumenical threads pinged from you no matter which side posts it. The topic has nothing to do with the getting pinged from you.