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Bible Reading: 1 Maccabees 2 {Ecumenical thread}
Douay-Rheims ^ | 175 BC | Maccabee

Posted on 02/12/2011 8:32:03 AM PST by Cronos

The zeal and success of Mathathias. His exhortation to his sons at his death.

[1] In those days arose Mathathias the son of John, the son of Simeon, a priest of the sons of Joarib, from Jerusalem, and he abode in the mountain of Modin. [2] And he had five sons: John who was surnamed Gaddis: [3] And Simon, who was surnamed Thasi: [4] And Judas, who was called Machabeus: [5] And Eleazar, who was surnamed Abaron: and Jonathan, who was surnamed Apphus.

[6] These saw the evils that were done in the people of Juda, and in Jerusalem. [7] And Mathathias said: Woe is me, wherefore was I born to see the ruin of my people, and the ruin of the holy city, and to dwell there, when it is given into the hands of the enemies? [8] The holy places are come into the hands of strangers: her temple is become as a man without honour. [9] The vessels of her glory are carried away captive: her old men are murdered in the streets, and her young men are fallen by the sword of the enemies. [10] What nation hath not inherited her kingdom, and gotten of her spoils?

[11] All her ornaments are taken away. She that was free is made a slave. [12] And behold our sanctuary, and our beauty, and our glory is laid waste, and the Gentiles have defiled them. [13] To what end then should we live any longer? [14] And Mathathias and his sons rent their garments, and they covered themselves with haircloth, and made great lamentation. [15] And they that were sent from king Antiochus came thither, to compel them that were fled into the city of Modin, to sacrifice, and to burn incense, and to depart from the law of God.

[16] And many of the people of Israel consented, and came to them: but Mathathias and his sons stood firm. [17] And they that were sent from Antiochus, answering, said to Mathathias: Thou art a ruler, and an honourable, and great man in this city, and adorned with sons, and brethren. [18] Therefore come thou first, and obey the king's commandment, as all nations have done, and the men of Juda, and they that remain in Jerusalem: and thou, and thy sons, shall be in the number of the king's friends, and enriched with gold, and silver, and many presents. [19] Then Mathathias answered, and said with a loud voice: Although all nations obey king Antiochus, so as to depart every man from the service of the law of his fathers, and consent to his commandments: [20] I and my sons, and my brethren will obey the law of our fathers.

[21] God be merciful unto us: it is not profitable for us to forsake the law, and the justices of God: [22] We will not hearken to the words of king Antiochus, neither will we sacrifice, and transgress the commandments of our law, to go another way. [23] Now as he left off speaking these words, there came a certain Jew in the sight of all to sacrifice to the idols upon the altar in the city of Modin, according to the king's commandment. [24] And Mathathias saw and was grieved, and his reins trembled, and his wrath was kindled according to the judgment of the law, and running upon him he slew him upon the altar: [25] Moreover the man whom king Antiochus had sent, who compelled them to sacrifice, he slew at the same time, and pulled down the altar.

[26] And shewed zeal for the law, as Phinees did by Zamri the son of Salomi. [27] And Mathathias cried out in the city with a loud voice, saying: Every one that hath zeal for the law, and maintaineth the testament, let him follow me. [28] So he, and his sons fled into the mountains, and left all that they had in the city. [29] Then many that sought after judgment, and justice, went down into the desert: [30] And they abode there, they and their children, and their wives, and their cattle: because afflictions increased upon them.

[31] And it was told to the king's men, and to the army that was in Jerusalem in the city of David, that certain men who had broken the king's commandment, were gone away into the secret places in the wilderness, and that many were gone after them. [32] And forthwith they went out towards them, and made war against them on the sabbath day, [33] And they said to them: Do you still resist? come forth, and do according to the edict of king Antiochus, and you shall live. [34] And they said: We will not come forth, neither will we obey the king's edict, to profane the sabbath day. [35] And they made haste to give them battle.

[36] But they answered them not, neither did they cast a stone at them, nor stopped up the secret places, [37] Saying: Let us all die in our innocency: and heaven and earth shall be witnesses for us, that you put us to death wrongfully. [38] So they gave them battle on the sabbath: and they were slain with their wives, and their children, and their cattle, to the number of a thousand persons. [39] And Mathathias and his friends heard of it, and they mourned for them exceedingly. [40] And every man said to his neighbour: If we shall all do as our brethren have done, and not fight against the heathens for our lives, and our justifications: they will now quickly root us out of the earth.

[41] And they determined in that day, saying: Whosoever shall come up against us to fight on the sabbath day, we will fight against him: and we will not all die, as our brethren that were slain in the secret places. [42] Then was assembled to them the congregation of the Assideans, the stoutest of Israel, every one that had a good will for the law. [43] And all they that fled from the evils, joined themselves to them, and were a support to them. [44] And they gathered an army, and slew the sinners in their wrath, and the wicked men in their indignation: and the rest fled to the nations for safety. [45] And Mathathias and his friends went round about, and they threw down the altars:

[42] "The Assideans"... A set of men that led a religious life; and were zealous for the law and worship of God.

[46] And they circumcised all the children whom they found in the confines of Israel that were uncircumcised: and they did valiantly. [47] And they pursued after the children of pride, and the work prospered in their hands: [48] And they recovered the law out of the hands of the nations, and out of the hands of the kings: and they yielded not the horn to the sinner. [49] Now the days drew near that Mathathias should die, and he said to his sons: Now hath pride and chastisement gotten strength, and the time of destruction, and the wrath of indignation: [50] Now therefore, O my sons, be ye zealous for the law, and give your lives for the covenant of your fathers.

[48] "They yielded not the horn"... That is, they suffered not the power of Antiochus, that man of sin, to abolish the law and religion of God.

[51] And call to remembrance the works of the fathers, which they have done in their generations: and you shall receive great glory, and an everlasting name. [52] Was not Abraham found faithful in temptation, and it was reputed to him unto justice? [53] Joseph in the time of his distress kept the commandment, and he was made lord of Egypt. [54] Phinees our father, by being fervent in the zeal of God, received the covenant of an everlasting priesthood. [55] Jesus, whilst he fulfilled the word, was made ruler in Israel.

[55] "Jesus"... That is, Josue.

[56] Caleb, for bearing witness before the congregation, received an inheritance. [57] David by his mercy obtained the throne of an everlasting kingdom. [58] Elias, while he was full of zeal for the law, was taken up into heaven. [59] Ananias and Azarias and Misael by believing, were delivered out of the flame. [60] Daniel in his innocency was delivered out of the mouth of the lions.

[61] And thus consider through all generations: that none that trust in him fail in strength. [62] And fear not the words of a sinful man, for his glory is dung, and worms: [63] Today he is lifted up, and tomorrow he shall not be found, because he is returned into his earth; and his thought is come to nothing. [64] You therefore, my sons, take courage, and behave manfully in the law: for by it you shall be glorious. [65] And behold, I know that your brother Simon is a man of counsel: give ear to him always, and he shall be a father to you.

[66] And Judas Machabeus who is valiant and strong from his youth up, let him be the leader of your army, and he shall manage the war of the people. [67] And you shall take to you all that observe the law: and revenge ye the wrong of your people. [68] Render to the Gentiles their reward, and take heed to the precepts of the law. [69] And he blessed them, and was joined to his fathers. [70] And he died in the hundred and forty-sixth year: and he was buried by his sons in the sepulchres of his fathers in Modin, and all Israel mourned for him with great mourning.



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Continuation -- this is just the start of an exciting biblical story!
1 posted on 02/12/2011 8:32:07 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Cronos

Can you please explain why you are posting non-scriptural books/verses under the title “Bible Reading”?


2 posted on 02/12/2011 8:43:42 AM PST by nwrep
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To: Cronos

Can you please explain why you are posting non-scriptural books/verses under the title “Bible Reading”? Thanks.


3 posted on 02/12/2011 8:44:04 AM PST by nwrep
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To: CanaGuy; Judith Anne; Kolokotronis; johngrace; Rashputin; Salvation; Quix; Dr. Eckleburg; Iscool; ..
Ping to chapter 2: Mathathias gets angry and starts the war!

The army of king Antiochus (verse 32) went to make war with them on sabbath day, knowing the Jews would not fight. And the Jews stood TRUE to the commandment and were all slain without a fight.

But in verse 41 we see an analoguous answer to a question that I think was raised on another thread "is it ok to lie to save a life -- is it still a lie"
4 posted on 02/12/2011 8:44:14 AM PST by Cronos
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To: NYer; kosta50; ArrogantBustard; Pyro7480; Running On Empty; Deo volente; dsc; surroundedbyblue; ...

verse 46 “And they circumcised all the children whom they found in the confines of Israel that were uncircumcised: and they did valiantly” — from this point on the Jews stood fast against those who wanted to take away their faith.


5 posted on 02/12/2011 8:49:34 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Cronos
Please don't ping me to your ecumenical thread.
6 posted on 02/12/2011 8:54:25 AM PST by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: nwrep

It’s really history. It was always in scriptures was taken out much later. If this story did not happen their would not be a Christ. Its the true Hanukkah miracle story. Very important.


7 posted on 02/12/2011 8:57:19 AM PST by johngrace (God so loved the world so he gave his only son! Praise Jesus and Hail Mary!)
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To: Cronos

Maccabees would make a great movie.
And even the most KJV exclusive Protestants should read, enjoy and be inspired but the story. “The Hammer” wasn’t some congress critter, he was one of the most ‘kick a$$ and take names’ leaders in all of recorded history,


8 posted on 02/12/2011 9:01:34 AM PST by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: nwrep
Because these are scriptural and in the Bible. Thank you!

There are some links like http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/7610 and http://mb-soft.com/believe/txs/maccabee.htm that are good starting points.

These are canon in the Oriental (Coptic, Armenian, Ethiopian), Orthodox, Catholic and Assyrian Churchs. They were included in the King James version of 1611 and the Luther Bible. So they are scriptural books.
9 posted on 02/12/2011 9:13:06 AM PST by Cronos
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To: nwrep
Bible


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that they have the Word of God,
that we received it from them,
and that without them
we should have no knowledge of it at all."

~ Martin Luther



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10 posted on 02/12/2011 9:25:09 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Cronos

You make it sound like there is a consensus that they are Scriptural and that is simply not true.

The Apocrypha were never a part of the Masoretic Text. Early surviving Christian manuscripts don’t all agree on which of these books would be included. The denominations/Christian traditions you cite also disagree as to which “apocryphal books” are acceptable...some have more, some have less.

Luther was very suspicious of these books and took them out of the Old Testament and placed them in only as Intertestamental books...they weren’t part of the Old or New Testament in Luther’s view. The King James (1611) simply followed the lead of Luther. Even the Catholic Church at times has had its own doubts about several of these books.

I’m not saying these are excellent for historical purposes, but there is no way there has ever been a consensus that these are “Scriptural”.


11 posted on 02/12/2011 9:28:13 AM PST by The Unknown Republican
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To: The Unknown Republican
That should be "I'm not saying these aren't excellent for historical purposes..."
12 posted on 02/12/2011 9:30:22 AM PST by The Unknown Republican
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To: The Unknown Republican

Well, they are scriptural and in the bible and have been in the Bible among the Copts, Armenians, Ethiopians, Orthodox, Catholics and Assyrians. You may not agree to that, but that’s your choice. However, they are inspiring — reading how Matthias and his sons stood up for their faith is inspiring.


13 posted on 02/12/2011 9:36:08 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Cronos

Yep, the Apocrypha was standard in all early American bibles. It’s an interesting story, most of it has been scrubbed.


14 posted on 02/12/2011 9:40:01 AM PST by foundedonpurpose
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To: Cronos

Cronos,

Do not ping me to a Catholic thread, especially an ecumenical thread.

Thank you.

Hoss


15 posted on 02/12/2011 9:40:13 AM PST by HossB86
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To: foundedonpurpose

Also a misleading statement. American Bibles were all either King James or based on the King James before the last century. They were never included as “Scriptural” and always in a separate section.


16 posted on 02/12/2011 9:47:20 AM PST by The Unknown Republican
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To: wmfights; Cronos; Religion Moderator
Please don't ping me to your ecumenical thread.

Rhetorical advantage is gained by asserting a point of known controversy, and controversy shut off by the "ecumenical" label.

I've seen worse. I don't see any point in playing.

17 posted on 02/12/2011 9:48:15 AM PST by Lee N. Field (Bad eschatology has consequences.)
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To: Cronos

So whose version of the apocryphal writings is correct? The Catholic, Ethiopian, Coptic and Eastern Churches all have different versions.


18 posted on 02/12/2011 9:52:55 AM PST by The Unknown Republican
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To: Lee N. Field
I don't see any point in playing.

I'm with you Brother!

19 posted on 02/12/2011 9:56:33 AM PST by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: The Unknown Republican

It’s my understanding that even the Roman Catholic Church didn’t officially include the Aprocrypha into the Canon until the mid-1500’s.


20 posted on 02/12/2011 9:56:48 AM PST by Siena Dreaming
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