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To: wintertime

re: “If Christian teachers really loved children more than their paychecks, pensions, and generous vacations, they would be building Christian schools. They would be active in their own churches urging them to open Christian schools. They would be resources for Christian homeschooling families.”

I think homeschooling is great. My wife has homeschooled our children for a year or two when needed. I’ve administered standardized tests for homeschooled children and enjoyed doing it. Homeschooling is the best way to go if the parents are able to do it. The so-called socialization problem is indeed a myth because kids are involved in church, sports, music classes, etc.

I agree that public education has many problems. Where I part ways with wintertime specifically is:

1) that these problems are insurmountable
2) her blanket condemnation that all public schools
are horrible and without redeeming value
3) her sweeping, blanket condemnation of
conservatives and/or Christians who teach in
public school.

She doesn’t just question Christians motives for teaching in a public school - she KNOWS their motives: she says we are all greedy, hypocritical, and liars.

So, while I am not certain that I am among the ones that wintertime is referring to in her quote above, the reason I respond to some of her postings is not because I am “defending” public education so much as I am defending the integrity of conservatives and/or Christians who choose to become educators and teach in public school.

I disagree with wintertime that all public schools are beyond hope. I don’t believe that all public schools are equally in the bad shape she insists they are. Wintertime does.

Further, wintertime chooses to be needlessly hostile toward any Christian or conservative who is a “government” school teacher.

So, while I can’t speak for others, I am not defending public education, but I am defending the motives and the right of conservatives and Christians who try to improve and make a positive difference within public education. I don’t think that is a bad thing. Wintertime does.

P.S. I don’t belong to the NEA.


20 posted on 02/06/2011 7:57:00 AM PST by Nevadan
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To: Nevadan
Please note: EVERY WORD in the post below is **GENERAL** and applies to the **GENERAL** problem of Christians and Christian belief in **GENERAL** in all government schools. It is NOT NOT NOT directed personally to any Freeper!!!

1) that these problems are insurmountable

They are insurmountable. Why?

Answer: Because simply by attending collectivist, socialist-funded, godless, government owned and run schools, that are supervised by the voting mob ( comrade committee "school boards") children **will** become comfortable with collectivism, socialism, government ownership and management of their lives, and learn to submit to the voting mob. And..They **WILL** learn to think godlessly in these so-called schools, or at least to compartmentalize their faith. They must simply to function at all.

Since the above is the **fundamental** structure of the government schools the only way to fix it would be to have non-collectivist, non-socialist funded, non-government owned and run, GOD-CENTERED, and individually parent-teacher-principal supervised education. Huh?...Isn't this the very definition of **private** education?

2) her blanket condemnation that all public schools are horrible and without redeeming value

There is NO redeeming value in teaching children to be comfortable with collectivism, socialism, government ownership and management of a social service, voting mob comrade committee supervision of one's mind and soul, and GODLESSNESS! And...**ALL** government schools ( The good, the bad, and the ugly) are collectivist, socialist, godless, government owned and run, and supervised by the voting mob comrade committees ( "school boards")

3) her sweeping, blanket condemnation of conservatives and/or Christians who teach in public school.

Yeah! I do condemn those people who would teach children to think godlessly, and be comfortable with collectivism, socialism, government ownership and management of their mind and soul. **ALL** government schools do this. Yeah! Blanket condemnation fits. What should be the appropriate response in doing this to children? Huh?

She doesn’t just question Christians motives for teaching in a public school - she KNOWS their motives: she says we are all greedy, hypocritical, and liars.

I have made no comment about "motives". I have commented on the obvious conflicts between Christian belief and supporting and upholding the godlessness found in the government schools.

Regardless of motivation, if Christians attempt to sneak in a little Christian belief into their classes, which by law are godlessly secular, they **WILL** teach the children that Christians are sneaky and too timid to boldly teach what the teacher knows to be true.

Regardless of motivation children will eventually figure out that Christian belief can NOT coexist with the godless worldview that is taught in the government schools. The two worldviews, godless and God-centered, can not occupy the same time and space in the classroom or textbook. The children, on some level, will conclude that the Christian teacher is a hypocrite that is willing to sell their beliefs for a pay check, pension, and generous vacation time. It does not matter what the "motivation" of the Christian teacher is.

Further, wintertime chooses to be needlessly hostile toward any Christian or conservative who is a “government” school teacher.

Hostile? What should the appropriate response be to people who teach children to think godlessly? ( And...To keep a job in a government school this **is** what is done!) What should the proper response be to those who teach children to be comfortable with collectivism, socialism, voting mob comrade committees ( school boards),government ownership of their very minds and souls?

but I am defending the motives and the right of conservatives and Christians who try to improve and make a positive difference within public education.

As for motives, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

If a Christian has kept his job in the godless government schools, and has not yet been fired, then he is supporting, upholding, and promoting the worldview of godlessness.

this has not been proof read. I am in a rush.

30 posted on 02/06/2011 8:51:42 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid!)
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