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New Roman Missal Translation Contains Some Last Minute Changes [Catholic Caucus]
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | August 21, 2010 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 08/21/2010 11:22:07 PM PDT by Salvation

I had heard from some to expect a few changes in the new English translation of the Roman Missal, even in the ordinary texts that have been published for some time now. And sure enough I have noticed several of them. Two of them are a bit disappointing to me, I must say.

  1. Misereatur – The “absolution” formula that the priest says after the Confiteor or the Kyrie Litany  in the latest version reads: May almighty God have mercy on us, forgive us our sins and bring us to everlasting life. But the first draft read: May almighty God have mercy on us and lead us, with our sins forgiven, to eternal life. I preferred the first draft for two reasons. First it better translates the Latin: misereatur nobis omnipotens Deus, dimissis peccatis nostris, perducat nos in vitam aeternum (may almighty God have mercy on us and having forgiven our sins, lead us to life eternal). Secondly the first draft better distinguished the absolution formula said at Mass from the absolution in Confession.
  2. Introduction to the Penitential Rite – There is also a slight difference in the introduction to the Penitential Rite but it is very slight: “that we may” becomes “and so”
  3. St. Joseph – In the Roman Canon there has been a change in reference to St. Joseph. The First Draft referenced him as and blessed Joseph, Spouse of the same Virgin whereas the latest version simply says, and blessed Joseph her spouse. This too is disappointing since the Latin clearly says, sed et beati Joseph ejusdemVirginis sponsi (the spouse of the same Virgin). It is said that Pope John XXIII insisted on this wording to indicate that she remained a Virgin though married to Joseph.
  4. In primis quae tibi – There is another minor change in the Te Igitur. The first draft said, which we offer you first of all whereas the final draft says which we offer you firstly.

There may be other changes too I just quickly looked and found these. Let me know if you find more. Though I am a bit disappointed, especially in the one about St. Joseph, let me be clear to state that I am very happy to receive this wonderful new translation.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Prayer; Worship
KEYWORDS: catholic; girm; liturgy; mass; msgrcharlespope; newromanmissal; romanmissal; translation
From the sounds of the original language, I tend to agree with Monsignor Pope.
1 posted on 08/21/2010 11:22:09 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: nickcarraway; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; ArrogantBustard; Catholicguy; RobbyS; markomalley; ...

Liturgy ping!


2 posted on 08/21/2010 11:23:55 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
I'm old school I guess. The Tridentine Latin Mass is ageless and supremely beautiful. When I attend, read the prayers, and witness the majesty and solemnity, I experience being connected over time and space to all who have worshiped in this same Eucharistic Sacrifice. The Novus Order, having been written by a suspected Mason, seems to trivialize sacred worship and divine sacrifice with a community feast. JMHO Go ahead and flame away, I'm just being honest.
3 posted on 08/21/2010 11:41:38 PM PDT by J Edgar
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To: Salvation

What ie on the cover of that book? With 20 centuries of beautiful christian are, why do neocatholics cling to these strange images? I esp love the covers of their paperback throwaway missles


4 posted on 08/22/2010 1:18:22 AM PDT by fire4effect
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To: fire4effect
For what it's worth, I believe that the Missale shown in the photo is the 2002 Latin Missale Romanum.

That said, I agree that we could use more beautiful and more timeless Christian images... I would be perfectly content with something simple and elegant such as the cross on the binding of the reprinted (originally Benzinger) 1962 Missal.

5 posted on 08/22/2010 5:32:25 AM PDT by GCC Catholic (0bama, what are you hiding? Just show us the birth certificate...)
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To: fire4effect

Our missles used to have that block print style drawing where everyone was drawn with their heads askew - used to drive me crazy (even baby Jesus had a sideways head, no neck)!


6 posted on 08/22/2010 6:07:09 AM PDT by NewCenturions
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To: NewCenturions

That artist was a pervert and if you looked carefully very often had obscene drawings within his block prints.

Thank God, indeed, that he is gone and the block prints are gone.


7 posted on 08/22/2010 7:01:47 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Religion Moderator
I asked last night that [Catholic Caucus] be added to this thread.

This is a Catholic Caucus thread.


Guidelines for Catholic Caucus Threads


8 posted on 08/22/2010 7:03:59 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Bad art = bad heart? Didn’t know he was a perv but that explains a lot.


9 posted on 08/22/2010 7:08:58 AM PDT by NewCenturions
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10 posted on 08/22/2010 3:07:14 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: J Edgar

Well said. Particularly:

The Novus Order... seems to trivialize sacred worship and divine sacrifice with a community feast.


11 posted on 08/24/2010 1:19:56 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Palin/Hunter 2012 -- Bolton their Secretary of State)
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