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Glenn Beck – Too Stupid for Words
Bible Wheel Blog ^ | May 29, 2010 at 8:48 pm | R. A. McGough

Posted on 05/31/2010 4:54:56 AM PDT by CalvaryJohn

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To: svcw

I am even more baffled by the rabid support he gets, if you question him - whooa watch out.
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Kind of a RomneyBot thing going on, isnt there ???

Same crowd ???


101 posted on 06/01/2010 11:14:47 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

I think you are correct, Nana.
And we know why.


102 posted on 06/01/2010 11:16:04 AM PDT by svcw (Habakkuk 2:3)
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To: svcw
I used to listen to Beck but some time back he began to change. I wonder who does his research/show prep. I am even more baffled by the rabid support he gets, if you question him - whooa watch out.

He appeals to a more rabid demographic than I prefer - too emotion based for my liking.

103 posted on 06/01/2010 11:17:13 AM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Same crowd ???

SAme REASON?

104 posted on 06/01/2010 12:32:36 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...))
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To: CalvaryJohn

I am sorry- you have to learn that when you POST something the responeses are not always directed at YOU but at the person in the article

I can see where mine could you make you feel bad though! sorry about that- but liberals ARE REALLY MAKING ME CRAZY!!!!


105 posted on 06/01/2010 3:25:48 PM PDT by Mr. K (This administration IS WEARING OUT MY CAPSLOCK KEY!!!!!)
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To: reaganaut

That will depend on what Greek and Hebrew manuscripts you’re reading, but most of them agree with the King James. Only a few of them don’t, and those manuscripts are so full of errors they won’t agree with anything.


106 posted on 06/01/2010 4:20:48 PM PDT by ducttape45
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To: ducttape45

That will depend on what Greek and Hebrew manuscripts you’re reading, but most of them agree with the King James. Only a few of them don’t, and those manuscripts are so full of errors they won’t agree with anything.

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Having read several of the MSS and worked on the DSS (Ruth), um...no.

The DSS and several of the new MSS discoveries in the past 150 years, as well as advancements in linguistic analysis show that the KJV was full of errors (mostly of translation but also a few grammatical errors.

Hence the new translations from the MSS starting in the 1950’s rather than revisions or reworkings of the KJV which was common prior to that (RV, RSV, ESV, ASV, etc).

Like I said, I love the KJV for memorization and it’s poetic qualities, but as far as accuracy, it isn’t high on the list, although I do know it still has it’s defenders (mostly Mormons and Independent Fundamentalist Baptists - I am neither).


107 posted on 06/01/2010 6:47:17 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: ducttape45
...those manuscripts are so full of errors they won’t agree with anything.

With NOTHING???

Perhaps they are using a copy of the Iliad!

108 posted on 06/01/2010 7:05:26 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...))
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To: reaganaut
...I love the KJV for...

It was good enough for St. Paul; so it's good enough for ME!

109 posted on 06/01/2010 7:06:38 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...))
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To: reaganaut

Given your academic credentials, how can you so completely miss such a simple point and one that is at the center of Orwell’s 1984?

Stop blowing so much smoke over Beck and his Mormonism.

Totalitarians rewrite history. They lie about what was and what is.

Period.

Get over the rest.


110 posted on 06/01/2010 9:54:20 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: svcw

Call and ask him yourself.


111 posted on 06/01/2010 9:55:21 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
 
Given your academic credentials, how can you so completely miss such a simple point and one that is at the center of Orwell’s 1984?


 
 
Eerily familiar...
 
 

Party ownership of the print media
made it easy to manipulate public opinion,
and the film and radio carried the process further.

 


 



16. Ministry Of Truth

.......

The Ministry of Truth, Winston's place of work, contained, it was said, three thousand rooms above ground level, and corresponding ramifications below.

The Ministry of Truth concerned itself with Lies. Party ownership of the print media made it easy to manipulate public opinion, and the film and radio carried the process further.

The primary job of the Ministry of Truth was to supply the citizens of Oceania with newspapers, films, textbooks, telescreen programmes, plays, novels - with every conceivable kind of information, instruction, or entertainment, from a statue to a slogan, from a lyric poem to a biological treatise, and from a child's spelling-book to a Newspeak dictionary.

Winston worked in the RECORDS DEPARTMENT (a single branch of the Ministry of Truth) editing and writing for The Times. He dictated into a machine called a speakwrite. Winston would receive articles or news-items which for one reason or another it was thought necessary to alter, or, in Newspeak, rectify. If, for example, the Ministry of Plenty forecast a surplus, and in reality the result was grossly less, Winston's job was to change previous versions so the old version would agree with the new one. This process of continuous alteration was applied not only to newspapers, but to books, periodicals, pamphlets, posters, leaflets, films, sound-tracks, cartoons, photographs - to every kind of literature or documentation which might conceivably hold any political or ideological significance.

When his day's work started, Winston pulled the speakwrite towards him, blew the dust from its mouthpiece, and put on his spectacles. He dialed 'back numbers' on the telescreen and called for the appropriate issues of The Times, which slid out of the pneumatic tube after only a few minutes' delay. The messages he had received referred to articles or news-items which for one reason or another it was thought necessary to rectify.

In the walls of the cubicle there were three orifices. To the right of the speakwrite, a small pneumatic tube for written messages; to the left, a larger one for newspapers; and on the side wall, within easy reach of Winston's arm, a large oblong slit protected by a wire grating. This last was for the disposal of waste paper. Similar slits existed in thousands or tens of thousands throughout the building, not only in every room but at short intervals in every corridor. For some reason they were nicknamed memory holes. When one knew that any document was due for destruction, or even when one saw a scrap of waste paper lying about, it was an automatic action to lift the flap of the nearest memory hole and drop it in, whereupon it would be whirled away on a current of warm air to the enormous furnaces which were hidden somewhere in the recesses of the building.

As soon as Winston had dealt with each of the messages, he clipped his speakwritten corrections to the appropriate copy of The Times and pushed them into the pneumatic tube. Then, with a movement which was as nearly as possible unconscious, he crumpled up the original message and any notes that he himself had made, and dropped them into the memory hole to be devoured by the flames.

What happened in the unseen labyrinth to which the tubes led, he did not know in detail, but he did know in general terms. As soon as all the corrections which happened to be necessary in any particular number of The Times had been assembled and collated, that number would be reprinted, the original copy destroyed, and the corrected copy placed on the files in its stead.

In the cubicle next to him the little woman with sandy hair toiled day in day out, simply at tracking down and deleting from the Press the names of people who had been vaporized and were therefore considered never to have existed. And this hall, with its fifty workers or thereabouts, was only one-sub-section, a single cell, as it were, in the huge complexity of the Records Department. Beyond, above, below, were other swarms of workers engaged in an unimaginable multitude of jobs.

There were huge printing-shops and their sub editors, their typography experts, and their elaborately equipped studios for the faking of photographs. There was the tele-programmes section with its engineers, its producers and its teams of actors specially chosen for their skill in imitating voices; clerks whose job was simply to draw up lists of books and periodicals which were due for recall; vast repositories where the corrected documents were stored; and the hidden furnaces where the original copies were destroyed.

And somewhere or other, quite anonymous, there were the directing brains who co-ordinated the whole effort and laid down the lines of policy which made it necessary that this fragment of the past should be preserved, that one falsified, and the other rubbed out of existence.



112 posted on 06/02/2010 3:58:25 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...))
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To: Elsie
Ministry of Truth?

Now WHERE have I heard THAT before??

Oh, yeah; The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints makes the claim that THEIR 'ministry' is the ONLY one that contains ALL the 'truth'.

And the RESTORED® truth at that!

113 posted on 06/02/2010 4:01:31 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...))
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To: Elsie




 

Youth Gems - 29 January 2008

Your Divine Nature

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"Your light has made a difference to me and many others. You have light because you are literally spirit daughters of Deity, 'offspring of exalted parents' (Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, 2nd ed. [1966], 589) with a divine nature and an eternal destiny. You received your first lessons in the world of spirits from your heavenly parents. You have been sent to earth to 'prove' yourselves."

Julie Beck, "You Have a Noble Birthright," Ensign, May 2006, 106

 


114 posted on 06/02/2010 4:11:43 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...))
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

Whoooaaa, hit a nerve did I? Sorry.


115 posted on 06/02/2010 7:08:24 AM PDT by svcw (Habakkuk 2:3)
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To: reaganaut
I have discovered that many of the manuscripts that have been more recently discovered are of inferior quality and reliability, especially those within the last 150 years. These manuscripts, while they may be older, are not necessarily better and are less reliable than the manuscripts used to translate the King James.

I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade, and if you disagree then we'll have to leave it at that, but any translation made after the King James is not a good one. Not even the "New King James" which I personally like to read.

116 posted on 06/02/2010 8:58:15 AM PDT by ducttape45
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

Totalitarians rewrite history. They lie about what was and what is.
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And Beck research is sloppy. I don’t trust him.

I would complain just as much if he wasn’t LDS.


117 posted on 06/02/2010 9:15:07 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: ducttape45

Your degree in Biblical Studies is from WHERE again?

It sounds like you have been indoctrinated by the sloppy research of the KJV only crowd. Your statement is extremely incorrect.

But that is your choice. I am not going to waste my time proving the reliability of every MSS used in modern translations since it seems you have made up your mind.


118 posted on 06/02/2010 9:29:22 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut

Fine by me. I’d rather not waste my time either. We’ll have to “agree to disagree” on this matter.


119 posted on 06/02/2010 10:13:49 AM PDT by ducttape45
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To: Elsie

It was good enough for St. Paul; so it’s good enough for ME!

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I was KJV only when I was LDS, and after until I went to Bible college and then in grad school had to really look at the MSS.

But every once in awhile MrR chimes in with the above statement. He likes KJV at church but reads other translations at home.


120 posted on 06/02/2010 10:15:30 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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