Posted on 12/21/2009 10:23:12 AM PST by Colofornian
PROVO — He's been to LDS general conference and sacrament meeting, given a family home evening lesson and shared his beliefs during fast and testimony meeting.
But the one thing that still puzzles Talha Siddiqui, 19, a Muslim from Islamabad, Pakistan, is why Latter-day Saint students at Brigham Young University are so anxious to get married.
"It's kind of funny how to an outsider … everyone is talking about getting married," he said. "How can you all think about the same thing? That kind of felt a little weird for me. Other than that, things have been great."
SNIP
"Whenever I'm talking about the religions, I try to bring up similarities," Siddiqui said. "I think that's a good way of talking about religion."
And both men are happy to share their beliefs.
This semester, Siddiqui taught his friends and roommates about Islam during family home evening.
Last November, Ahmad won the BYU Religious Education Student Symposium with a paper he'd written during his Book of Mormon class comparing Mormonism and Islam.
"We emphasize the same teachings, the same set of beliefs, even though the way of participating (is different)," Ahmad said. "We're essentially asking for the same thing, asking God for guidance and for repentance. As long as we keep respecting those (common values) … it builds mutual trust and is helpful in the long run."
Andrew Moulton, 19, Siddiqui's friend and roommate from Oregon, said this semester has been enlightening for him.
"I didn't know that our cultures were so similar," Moulton said. "As Americans we are taught to believe that Islam is a violent culture and stuff like that, but it's not. I think that was my initial surprise, (to learn) what wonderful people Muslims are."
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(This Muslim student came to Provo & wondered how it is that all/most Mormon college students seem to be programmed to "all think the same thing". Gee what a surprise observation)
From the article: Last November, Ahmad won the BYU Religious Education Student Symposium with a paper he'd written during his Book of Mormon class comparing Mormonism and Islam. "We emphasize the same teachings, the same set of beliefs, even though the way of participating (is different)," Ahmad said. "We're essentially asking for the same thing, asking God for guidance and for repentance. As long as we keep respecting those (common values) … it builds mutual trust and is helpful in the long run."
So BYU rewarded this student with an honor for "emphasiz[ing] the same teachings, the same set of beliefs" that exist between Mormons and Muslims.
(Well, here's just one example: Muslims teach that Christians are "infidels"; Mormons teach that Christians are "apostates" -- ALL Christian sects/denominations are thus written off by Mormons as having apostatized from the faith up to 1900 years ago.)
From the article, quoting a BYU Mormon student: "I didn't know that our cultures were so similar," Moulton said. "As Americans we are taught to believe that Islam is a violent culture and stuff like that, but it's not. I think that was my initial surprise, (to learn) what wonderful people Muslims are."
Are Muslims into Freemasonry, too?
So lessee, mormons want to be BOTH Christian and Islamic at the same time.
Surprize Surprize
Except for polygyny (past history for mainstream Mormons), proselytizing, tight communities, a rogue prophet and an establishing flight, what do they have in common? Mormons are polytheist although worshipping only one God; Muslims are absolute monotheists.
But they only worship ONE God (never mind the man behind the curtain that their "Godhead" consists of a committee of "gods", mumble mumble. . . . )
I thought it said LSD! How silly of my to think the muzzies where into LSD.
Compare the two? How? One of the two thinks it’s great to put bombs around 6 year old waists and send them to kill Christians and Jews.
They’re both cults. However, at least the Mormons don’t behead people.
Every hear about the mormon practice of blood atonement?
The Mormons baptize the dead, the Muzzies make the dead.
The way they reason, or don’t reason, could lead one to think they are on acid.
In 1838, Marsh swore an affidavit in which he claimed to have heard Joseph Smith say:
he would yet tread down his enemies, and walk over their dead bodies; and if he was not let alone, he would be a second Mohammed to this generation, and that it would be one gore of blood from the Rocky Mountains to the Atlantic Ocean; that like Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was, ‘the Alcoran or the Sword,’ so should it be eventually with us, ‘Joseph Smith or the Sword.’[1]
Thomas B. Marsh, President of the Quorum of the Twelve.
the Mormons don’t behead people.
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The Circleville Massacre
the Mormons don’t behead people.
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Does the way the mormons murdered people during the 19th century make them seem less dangerous ???
The 120 victims of the mormons at Mountain Meadows had their throats slit, were shot, etc...
All unarmed, men, women, children, babies...
They were as dead as any beheaded victims...
and just as innocent...
and Brigham Young and his mormons were just as guilty...
As if your brand of Christianity is free from any offense in the distant past. I don’t care if you’re some sort of Protestant, you’re still a spawn of the Catholic church.
I don’t war against other Christians; at least they teach Christ as Savior and they don’t promote murder. Having attended Friday prayer several times at BYU, I can attest that their brand of muhammadism is no less subversive of Christianity and Western culture than the radicals of Saudi Arabia and Somalia. It is a dishonor to any university in the United States to willfully allow students of muhamet, including BYU. I’ve been to Friday prayer at the University of Texas as well as the hidden mosque of San Antonio. The Friday sermon is not about spiritual jihad.
you’re still a spawn of the Catholic church.
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Thank you
As its coming from an anti-Christian, I’ll accept that as a compliment...
The nicest you have got all year...
Merry Christmas to you and yours...
(THe REAL Christ of the Bible..not the one Jo0ey Smith invented)
I’d much rather be an anti-Christian than to teach your hate to my children and grandchildren. You and I will probably end up in the same place.
Every hear about the mormon practice of blood atonement? [godzilla]
About 90 years ago, I believe, Herbert Thomas wrote a book called The Mormon Saints -- found here The Mormon Saints Publisher was Houlston and Sons (London).
Thomas quoted a statement by a former Mormon, Mrs. Fanny Stenhouse (note the highlighted portions) -- pp. 52-55 of book:
SWORE THEY WOULD OBEY
But after taking the third degree the most horrible oaths were administered to those who had been initiated into the mysteries. Mrs. Stenhouse narrates what happened in the following words:
"At this stage of our rehearsal we were taught certain passwords and grips ; then we were arranged in a circle. The women covered their faces with their veils, and we all kneeled down, and, with our right hands uplifted towards heaven, we took the solemn oath of obedience and secrecy. We vowed that by every means in our power we would seek to avenge the death of Joseph Smith, the Prophet, upon the Gentiles who had caused his murder, and that we would teach our children to do so ; we vowed that, without murmur or questioning, we would implicitly obey the commands of the priesthood in everything; we vowed that we would not commit adultery which, with reference to the men, was explained to mean the taking of wives without the permission of the holy priesthood; and we vowed that we would never, under any circumstances, reveal that which transpired in the Endowment House. (pp. 52-53)
The oaths simply took on the Masonic nature:
Continuing with the excerpt:
"The penalty for breaking the oath, which was worded in the most startling and impressive way, was then explained to us. The traitor's intestines were while he was yet living to be torn from him, his throat was to be cut from ear to ear, and his heart and tongue were to be cut out. In the world to come, everlasting damnation would be his portion. Let not the reader think that this was merely an imaginary penalty, or that it was expressed merely for the purpose of frightening the weak-minded; for, as will be shown, punishments quite as horrible as that have been deliberately meted out to the Apostate, the Gentile, and the suspected Saint, by the Mormon priesthood. The innocent blood which cries for vengeance against Brigham Young and some of the leaders of the Church, is sufficient to weigh the purest spirit which stands before the throne of God down to the nethermost abysses of hell. (p. 53)
This statement does not rest on the authority of Mrs. Stenhouse alone, for many of the witnesses in the Salt Lake Court made similar disclosures. John Bond, an apostate, said he went through the Endowment House in January, 1868, and in Room Five he took an oath to obey the priesthood in everything temporal, spiritual, political, social and financial. The penalty for violation of the oaths and divulging the oaths, was death by cutting the throat from ear to ear, and cutting out the heart and tongue, and disembowelment. He also swore to avenge Joseph Smith's death, and carry out hostilities against the United States. William Woodruff, the present President of the Mormon Church, officiated, and fifty men and women went through the ceremony on that occasion. (pp. 53-54)
HAD SEEN APOSTATES SLAIN.
Martin D. Waddell, sixty-seven years old, made similar statements, adding that he saw a man named Green, who had apostatised, have his throat cut from ear to ear. He gave full details of the crime, and the names of some men who participated in that murder, who are still living.
When the witness and others remonstrated, they were told they would be served the same way if they did not keep quiet. W. H. Dame, who was the leader of the band, said after the crime: "He apostatised once, and now he has apostatised, and gone to hell."
The witness testified that Green's property, consisting of $5,000 in cash, and a wagonload of merchandise, were taken to the church tithing yard in this city. Dame was one of the principals in the Mountain Meadow massacre. Bishop Cahoon testified that he knew many men who had been secretly murdered by order of the Church, and gave their names. James McGuffy, another witness, seventy-five years old, connected the Mountain Meadow massacre with the oaths taken at the Endowment House. He said there were three organised bands of chief murderers in those days. They were called Danites,* Blood Atoners, and Avengers. They had the work appointed to them by Brigham Young, who was con- sidered God on earth. (pp. 54-55)
BRIGHAM AND HIS BOWIE-KNIFE.
Verbatim extracts from sermons delivered in the tabernacle were read in evidence. Brigham Young preaching on apostacy, once said "I say that rather than that apostates should flourish here, I will unsheath my bowie-knife and conquer or die." This called forth applause from the congregation. In another sermon he said "If a man needs salvation and it is necessary to spill his blood on earth in order that he may be saved, spill it. That is the way to love mankind. I could refer you to plenty of instances where men have been righteously slain in order to atone for their sins. I have seen scores and hundreds of people for whom there would have been chances in the last resurrection, if their blood had been spilled on the ground as a smoking incense to the Almighty." (p. 55)
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