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The Manhattan Declaration (why Pastor John Macarthur won't sign it.)
Shepherd's Fellowship ^ | 11/24/09 | John Macarthur

Posted on 12/10/2009 10:55:18 AM PST by CondoleezzaProtege

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To: ladyL

“...sent his diciples out to preach.”

Are you saying Paul was lying?
Are you saying Corinthians was not INSPIRED by the holy Ghost?


61 posted on 12/10/2009 10:34:10 PM PST by Gamecock
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To: Petronski
What MacArthur said is the moral equivalent of "I am not getting in that pool with all them negros."

I've got a feeling McArthur would climb into a pool filled with 'Negro' Christians...

62 posted on 12/10/2009 10:42:14 PM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool
I've got a feeling McArthur would climb into a pool filled with 'Negro' Christians...

I'd much rather go through life not knowing about your feelings about the bigot MacArthur.

P.S.: He's straight.

63 posted on 12/10/2009 10:58:21 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
Pity more pastors don't share MacArthur's discernment.

"But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.

Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch." -- Matthew 15:13-14


64 posted on 12/10/2009 11:57:28 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: BibChr

Amen.


65 posted on 12/10/2009 11:59:36 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Petronski
I'd much rather go through life not knowing about your feelings about the bigot MacArthur.

P.S.: He's straight.

You wouldn't hear (read) a statement like that coming from a Protestant, or from a Christian for that matter...

66 posted on 12/11/2009 6:27:02 AM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool

You would and you did.


67 posted on 12/11/2009 6:41:14 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: BibChr
Would you sign your name to a document that said repeatedly that Democrats, Republicans, Peace and Freedom, Green Party, and Communist Party members all equally shared and pursued the values and vision of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, if that document also said abortion was bad?

Exactly. Excellent analogy !!!!!!~

68 posted on 12/11/2009 8:31:37 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Minus_The_Bear

No the Bible is not God, but it is a complete revelation of Him by Him and for His glory.

If you were long separated from the one you love and then you got a letter from him/her would it not be a treasure? If in that letter your loved one revealed wondrous things you would have no way of knowing.. wouldn’t you read it over and over ?

The letter is not your loved one... but it is something that draws you closer , helps you to know them better and makes faithfulness a joy..


69 posted on 12/11/2009 8:37:14 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7

It doesn’t seem that complicated to me. I don’t keep trying to say I’m a Roman Catholic. I’m not. Why do they keep trying to say they’re Christians? They’re supposed to be ecstatic to be Roman Catholics, specifically and precisely.


70 posted on 12/11/2009 9:00:18 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: wintertime
Oh Puleeze! Our culture is burning down and this guy is arguing about the theological metaphysics of the fire extinguisher.
As my 2 year old grand daughter would say, John Mac Arthur is a poopy head!”

Do you know WHY our culture is "burning down"?

Romans 1
The Righteous Shall Live by Faith 16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith for faith, [5] as it is written, “The righteous shall live by faith.” [6]
God's Wrath on Unrighteousness
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.
24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God's decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.

71 posted on 12/11/2009 9:27:46 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Exactly...

Scripture tells us not to be unequally yoked .

I am sure the drafters of this thing meant well, but one does not solve spiritual problems by political means.


72 posted on 12/11/2009 9:35:02 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: BibChr

YEP


73 posted on 12/11/2009 9:37:06 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: elpadre; All
I read and signed the Declaration as soon as it was out.

Do you think signing it requires you to change anything in how you conduct yourself in the political world, or do you think you're pretty much okay already?

I'm not picking on you particularly by asking this, by the way. I would like to get an answer to this question from everyone who has signed it.

74 posted on 12/11/2009 9:48:55 AM PST by EternalVigilance ("Spending your way out of recession" is like trying to drink your way out of drowning.)
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To: RnMomof7
This is an exact description of our culture.
75 posted on 12/11/2009 10:06:43 AM PST by wintertime
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To: BibChr; RnMomof7
They're supposed to be ecstatic to be Roman Catholics, specifically and precisely.

And they usually are, unless they're talking to Protestants, in which case they switch to calling themselves Christian.

Sometimes there's no pleasing some people. 8~)

76 posted on 12/11/2009 10:21:14 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

You’ve noticed that different-talk phenomenon? When they’re talking to each other, they pray to Mary, Jude, everybody and his sainted uncle. But when talking to us, oh no no no, they’d never do something like that, it isn’t really prayer, etc.


77 posted on 12/11/2009 10:28:46 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: BibChr; RnMomof7
When they’re talking to each other, they pray to Mary, Jude, everybody and his sainted uncle. But when talking to us, oh no no no, they’d never do something like that, it isn’t really prayer, etc.

Yep. Check out THIS THREAD to see how fervently Roman Catholics believe Mary to be the "co-Redeemer," contrary to the usual offended posture of "How dare you say we believe such a thing!"

78 posted on 12/11/2009 10:56:01 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
...they switch to calling themselves Christian.

That's not a "switch." You get a lot of mileage out of that false dichotomy, but Catholics are Christians.

79 posted on 12/11/2009 10:57:38 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: BibChr
Why do they keep trying to say they’re Christians? They’re supposed to be ecstatic to be Roman Catholics, specifically and precisely.

Catholics are Christians. I hate to disappoint you, but you simply do not get to have the kind of power to decide who is a Christian.

80 posted on 12/11/2009 10:59:59 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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