Posted on 10/04/2009 7:23:49 PM PDT by marshmallow
When Pope Benedict visits this country next year, he is expected to stay at Buckingham Palace as a guest of the Queen. The warmth of her welcome will come as no surprise to the Pontiff, if senior sources at the Vatican are to be believed.
According to informants quoted in The Catholic Herald, the Queen has "grown increasingly sympathetic" to the Catholic Church over the years while being "appalled", along with the Prince of Wales, at developments in the Church of England.
The usually well-informed newspaper adds that the Queen, who is the Supreme Governor of the C of E, is "also said to have an affinity with the Holy Father, who is of her generation".
In July, The Sunday Telegraph disclosed that the Queen had told the heads of a traditionalist group, formed in response to the liberal direction of some parts of the Anglican Communion, that she "understood their concerns" about the future of the 80 million-strong global church.
One leading evangelical said: "We found the letters very supportive."
Her intervention was predicted to have surprised many because the group, called the Fellowship of Confessing Anglicans, was feared by some to be a divisive force and one of its senior figures was this accused of being homophobic.
The then Bishop of Rochester, Dr Michael Nazir-Ali, called on homosexuals to repent. He said the Church of England must stick to the Biblical teaching that marriage should only be between a man and a woman.
(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...
They even fought against each other in the same world war ;-)
The Church of England has a very “tolerant” attitude toward Islam. I think the Queen has caught on.
Since the Queen is the head of the C of E, she has the power to do something directly. Apparently, she is reluctant to use the power she has.
The UK needs to stop supporting the Church of Liberal England
She's little more than a figurehead.
There are Catholic schools in the UK with muslim prayer rooms and bans on students wearing the cricifix on a necklace. According to stories from the Mail and Telegraph newspapers over the months.
Her family is actually German. Rowan Williams the head on the Church of England is an idiot, like the fake Catholic idiots at Notre Dame and the loberal American Catholic Church.
Williams is a dhimni apologist who probably prays to Mecca. I think the Queen is concerned the Church of Enhland may implode in large pat due to the idiot running the church into the ground. Williams was talking about sharia law.
Wasn’t the more conservative (read less gay) Anglican Church in the U.S. talking about closer relations with the Catholic Church? I think Pope Benedict has alsp made some good ties with the Orthodox Chrch recently as well.
I think the only churches in England with parishoners are Catholic Churches - many with Polish immigrants. I know evangelicals are trying to make inroads as well.
I think Pope Benedict and Queen are worried about the future of Europe and England.
This is the insane UK govt pushing this on the church. The Vatican needs to say NO.
Too little, too late.
The Queen could truly light a fire under a lot of bottoms if she were to make a very, very carefully worded diplomatic statement mentioning the Catholic church, the CofE, and the word “reconciliation”.
It would have about the same impact if she said that “Brussels can go bugger off.”
I think there has been a MAJOR consolidation going on:
=Blair and Gingrich convert to Catholicism
=Orthodox Church and Vatican kiss and make up
=US Lutheran church votes for either gay marriage or something on the gay agenda. Conservative Lutherans pole-axed. Reconciliation coming between conservative branch and Catholicism?
=CofE and US Episcopalian issues. Possible reconciliation?
Seems to me, in face of Islam sweeping into Europe and the US [Palestinian ‘resettlement’ approved by Congress. Going to Michigan I should think] The one religion that could hold it’s own is Catholicism. Older than Islam, largest penetration [forgive the word] globally, two thousand years of writings and theological development.
Or maybe I need another tinfoil cap?
C of E, sir.
Do you mean The Church of England?
Yes sir, The Church of England, sir.
The Queen is NOT the head of the C of E. Jesus Christ is the head of the C of E. The Queen is the governor.
Interesting. Constitutionally, she would be well within her rights to re-establish the Catholic church as DotF. Historically, the monarchs of England were very Catholic.
London, October 5, 2009 “Queen Converts to Catholicism; Brings 50 millions Anglicans With Her”
That opinion, apparently, makes him a "homophobe".
Here's my definition of the word: "Homophobe" = "anyone who is in any way not entirely and totally supportive of anything the gay lobby wants".
She will not be remembered as the monarch to give up the CofE if she has anything to say about it. Britain has always had an independent tradition from Rome due to the real fear of political machinations from the Vatican. Going down in history as the monarch who ‘gave up the British church’ is the last thing she wants to have as a legacy.
If I were she I would dispatch some people to do a “Thomas a Becket” on the Archbishop of Canterbury.
Her own son has grown tolerant of them, and perhaps even IS one secretly.
Her late daughter-in-law was sleeping with one.
Yes, that’s right. I had forgotten that.
The influence of the Roman Catholic church was widely hated, resented and feared in England for most of the time, with its purchased indulgences, corrupt clergy and the hated tithe, which was a essentially a tax levied upon the English by a foreign power in Rome.
The reason why Henry VIII was able to get away with breaking the church away from Rome was because the groundswell of support for the break away from a Church that was seen as irredeemably corrupt and material was already there.
The Archbishop of Canterbury: "Will you to the utmost of your power maintain the Laws of God and the true profession of the Gospel? Will you to the utmost of your power maintain in the United Kingdom the Protestant Reformed Religion established by law? Will you maintain and preserve inviolable the settlement of the Church of England, and the doctrine, worship, discipline, and government thereof, as by law established in England? ...
The Queen: "All this I promise to do. The things which I have here before promised, I will perform, and keep. So help me God."
Luther’s and earlier ‘heretics’ works were very influential in England at the time Henry VIII broke away from Rome. If this were not so, he wouldn’t have broken with Rome in the first place. People like Thomas Cromwell and Anne Boleyn were already protestants long before the break with Rome, and they lobbied Henry to make the break.... This wasn’t just a unilateral decision on Henry’s part, but one that he was persuaded into by others.
Ironically, in spite of his political break with Rome, Henry VIII was actually a lifelong Catholic, and worshiped according to the latin rite until the day he died.... It was others who pushed to destroy the ‘catholic’ aspects of the Church of England once the break had been made, which clearly demonstrates that these elements were already long established and hostile to Rome before the schism....
Bingo!
you need to read more and talk less, your theories of the split from Catholocism are “strained” to say the least
So your theory is that Henry VIII made a unilateral decision in a ferociously Roman Catholic country and that people only started taking in the ideas of Luther and others after the split?
I’d love to hear you expand upon this theory, seeing as you are so knowledgable about it....
I know, I did mention that. Considering that Henry VIII was a lifelong catholic, the Protestantising zeal for reform of the Church in England couldn’t have come from him. Although apparently, some people seem to think this is the case when it is pretty basic knowledge for anyone who knows anything about the English reformation...
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