Ken Ham?
Here's an actual display from Ham's creation "museum": 
As long as Ken Ham and his ilk persist in making Christians look stupid, youths (and adults) will leave the church.
Posted on 09/24/2009 8:37:40 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
It seemed that I ignored it because I did not respond to it. I did not respond because I failed to see the connection between being nice and God's grace. If, while spreading the gospel of niceness you are also spreading the gospel of man's sinful nature and the unmerited gift of God's grace, then I can see a connection.
But if Christianity merely looks like all other "being nice" belief systems, wouldn't a person say (as many do) "I'm basically a 'good' person. I've never stolen or raped or killed. Do I really need to be judged by some God?"
“Ahhh, I really don’t think this is the answer at all. In fact, I think it’s a recipe for disaster. If you want to promote Christianity, do it on the basis Jesus did - love, compassion, help for those in need, outreach, and creating a movement that people want to be a part of. Something that gives them hope and purpose and demonstrates the transformative power of God’s grace.”
Exactly, that is how you reach unbelievers... but for those already in the Church, as this article is referring to, we need to teach the TRUTH, and the truth is not evolution.
“Ahhh, I really don’t think this is the answer at all. In fact, I think it’s a recipe for disaster. If you want to promote Christianity, do it on the basis Jesus did - love, compassion, help for those in need, outreach, and creating a movement that people want to be a part of. Something that gives them hope and purpose and demonstrates the transformative power of God’s grace.”
Exactly, that is how you reach unbelievers... but for those already in the Church, as this article is referring to, we need to teach the TRUTH, and the truth is not evolution.
“The kids go away for a while then come back 95% of the time. There is no real problem!”
Except for the 5%. :(
Ken Ham?
Here's an actual display from Ham's creation "museum":
As long as Ken Ham and his ilk persist in making Christians look stupid, youths (and adults) will leave the church.
Ken Ham is not the reason people are leaving the Church.
Signed,
A stupid Christian
You have a right to your opinion, of course.
— A Christian.
The shepherds have been learning the intricacies of ancient Greek and comparative religion while their flocks are left to wonder what the Bible teaches about maintaining a good marriage, or why sexual immorality is immoral and how to deal with offenders, or the unity of the flock.
So I lay much, no, most of the blame on the Reverends, Right Reverends, Fathers, Pastors, Evangelists for not only losing the younger generation but failing to equip the older generation as Jesus instructed.
What's next? Either Newton's Optics are right or "the light of the eye" theory is right? Either the Bible is right or Gray's Anatomy is right?
The problem is with evolution being used to infer religion. It's no help to use religion to derive science.
Teach basic epistemology, avoid category errors, and do make kids choose between religion and science. It's a false choice and eventually you will lose - needlessly.
Should be:
“DON’T make kids choose between religion and science.”
I disagree! Evolution may be the reason given by the young people but it isn't the **real** reason.
Children leave their faith because government schools teach children a godless worldview. They teach child to compartmentalize their faith. These schools teach children ( every minute they are there) how to live life without God!
Evolution is merely a tiny part of the problem.
If we want to save our nation and our children we must teach them within the context of their faith.
“These schools teach children ( every minute they are there) how to live life without God!”
How so? Is it the role of the public schools to teach children how to live their lives WITH God?
How so? Is it the role of the public schools to teach children how to live their lives WITH God?
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Because our government schools are, by law, atheistic and secular humanist in their educational philosophy and godless in their worldview. Therefore, when presenting all subjects God is ignored. Do this day after day, and children learn to ignore God.
Children in government schools learn to compartmentalize their faith.
well maybe if people stopped making this the line in the sand of faith, and consider that God may have put evolution in place as His ‘how’, things would change.
Wow...blame the victim games.
If lunatic liberal evolution cultists weren’t demanding God be removed from not only science class, but schools all together, in fact public period...maybe Christians wouldn’t be drawing lines in the sand!
As it is now, liberal lunatics are demanding such idiocy as crosses be removed from federal cemeteries (Mt. Soledad), crosses from town logos: Las Cruces (which MEANS the crosses btw) and Los Angeles (city of angels), forcing little children to sing ‘O Christmas Tree’ as ‘O Holiday tree’, because “Christmas” is too offensive...IGWT off our money and pretty much everything, 10 commandments, same thing...
and on and on and on and on...they’re unhinged.
Normal people are just fed up with secular humanist boobs.
BTW...I’m all for teaching evolution that way, as long as it isn’t propped up by lawsuits to enforce children to believe that evolution is sheer happenstance, with no purpose, no intelligence, totally random, without guidance and on and on and on...alongside creation/ID, and let the debate continue, science move forward.
Evos go by evidence, which they say eliminates the need for faith.
Without faith it's impossible to please God. So if we demand that God used evolution, we've removed the faith element.
Perhaps if the evos could consider that God used special creation instead of evolution, things would change. Why do the creationists have to give ground, especially when God Himself told us how He created it in Genesis?
“Because our government schools are, by law, atheistic and secular humanist in their educational philosophy and godless in their worldview. Therefore, when presenting all subjects God is ignored. Do this day after day, and children learn to ignore God.”
Aren’t you better able to teach your kids about God than the schools? What faith should the public schools teach?
“I’m not saying that Darwinism/Evolution isn’t an important factor in the loss of faith experienced by many young adults, but when you have Christian denominations denying the deity of Christ, the Virgin Birth, the Atonement, and the physical Resurrection of Jesus, you have gutted the Christian faith.”
This is what the author(s) have been saying for a while... that these basic Christian beliefs have been gutted because of the attacks on the basics of Christianity in Genesis... once you deny Creation, it’s easy to deny Christ’s deity, His virgin birth, etc.
“Children leave their faith because government schools teach children a godless worldview”
...beginning with evolution as “fact”. They tear down God’s Word at its very basic foundation..”In the beginning, God..”
“They tear down God’s Word at its very basic foundation..”In the beginning, God..””
That’s not at all inconsistent with evolution.
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