Posted on 07/06/2009 7:38:33 PM PDT by Liberty Guy 2007
On fire with the Holy Ghost that is. Pastor Steve Anderson, the pastor who was tased and beaten by Border Police on April 14th 2009, lead the Gilbert Arizona TEA Party rally yesterday to ovation and action. His words and demeanor were beyond phenomenal! There is a new body in the Black Robe Regiment today.
If you would like to watch his 7 minute message
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This clown deserved to be tasered. He is a sorry excuse for a Pastor. Can't wait for all the anti-cops on FR to come out and cheer this jerk on.
I don’t know about “perp”. Perhpas the word “Patriot” fits better. Pastor Steve’s analysis of what is going on was spot on in my opinion.
i.e in short unwarranted checkpoints away from the border with an open border free milk and cheese policy in place.
But more importantly, I posted this in the religion section because I think Pastor Steve is hitting on a spiritual issue here.
Yes!!!!!
Search with no warrent is not a lawful order. It is unconstitutional.
Beating someone for standing up for his rights and grinding his face in glass for your police wounded ego is fascist - it is treason. It should be punishable by death. That would get the police state’s attention.
You know what is truly interesting?! There is a POLL link on that blog story page with Pastor Anderson’s TEA Party speech that goes to a DailyKos page and it allows people to discuss the story. Your comments mirror most of theirs on DailyKos. Wow, Pastor Anderson is right about the left right paradigm too. Really, check it out. That is unreal huh?
Well, maybe Pastor Steve had a political point, but his whining victimhood was pathetic. He did everything he could to force a situation, tying traffic up behind him for an hour. And then he claimed he was tasered over and over again, but had only one pair of taser marks on him. He’s a lying publicity hound who maybe didn’t realize how much tasers hurt.
>> Beating someone for standing up for his rights and grinding his face in glass for your police wounded ego is fascist - it is treason. It should be punishable by death. That would get the police state’s attention. <<
Blocking a U.S. highway isn’t legal. He could have pulled over, and then refused to cooperate. He didn’t. He pulled a vehicular sit-in, and then whined like a baby when law enforcement did what they had to to safely remove him.
There’s a good debate to be had over the constitutionality of these checkpoints. But Pastor Steve didn’t write a column, or file a lawsuit. He blocked a highway with his vehicle.
And another thing: You’re calling for the death penalty for police behavior you consider abusive? Isn’t that just a little, well, tyrranical, itself?
The death penalty for officials who violate the constitutional rights of citizens to the degree we now have the in the US must be considered. What is going to make them stop smashing people’s faces in glass and stop violating our constitutional rights? I would not mind seeing some elected officials frog marched to death or prison for betraying our country and constitution. Maybe they would be inspired to read what they vote on?
The cops stopped him in the middle of the road at an illegal check point and they refused to permit him to go on his way. He stopped. He spoke to them. They demanded to search him and get id from him when he did nothing wrong and they had no warrent.
He did not whine like a baby. He stood up for what was right. You go ahead and sumbit if you want and keep submitting until Obama’s police come after you, right wing extremist. Then we can all call you a whiner when they beat you to a pulp.
Stop and think. Where has the government traveled over the past ten year in shaking down hte whole public anytime they have to enforce the law a class of foreigners (illegals in this case, Islamists every time I go to the airport!) breaking the law!
And now Obama’s regime takes it a step further into Americans being the terrorist threats - his political enemies and vets. Wake up! Sometime we have to say enough.
“Search with no warrent is not a lawful order. It is unconstitutional.”
No. If the Police have reasonable cause to search....in this case the Police Dog got a ‘hit’......then no search warrant is needed.
“Well, maybe Pastor Steve had a political point, but his whining victimhood was pathetic. He did everything he could to force a situation, tying traffic up behind him for an hour. And then he claimed he was tasered over and over again, but had only one pair of taser marks on him. He’s a lying publicity hound who maybe didn’t realize how much tasers hurt.”
Thank God some here still have common sense. Good post.
Do not use potty language - or references to potty language - on the Religion Forum.
“Do not use potty language - or references to potty language - on the Religion Forum.”
My apologies. I forgot this was a Religious thread.
Actually, in this case, they are. Customs & Border Protection (of which the Office of Border Patrol is a part) has the right to inspect any person or conveyance at or near the border. A country has the right to inspect anything crossing its borders, for no other reason than the fact that it's crossing the border. That's been the standard US law and international law for literally hundreds of years.
The inland searches are a little more complex, but not much. Let's say you have a swath of border a hundred miles wide with only one decent highway heading north out of it. Common sense dictates placing a checkpoint on that highway. You don't want it too close to the border, or it will simply be bypassed. So, you end up with checkpoints 50, 75 miles inside the US border.
Bottom line, OBP acted within their authority. The good Pastor went out with the intent of starting a confrontation, and he got his wish.
Do you need someone to explain your tag line to you?
>> What is going to make them stop smashing people’s faces in glass and stop violating our constitutional rights? <<
Yeah, that’s right: inspire people to reject police-state tactics by killing everyone you disagree with.
>> The cops stopped him in the middle of the road at an illegal check point and they refused to permit him to go on his way <<
Take it up in a lawsuit after the fact. Or, if you refuse to cooperate, GET OUT OF THE DAMNED HIGHWAY!
>> He stopped. He spoke to them. <<
You’re delusional. He stared straight ahead, refusing to acknowledge them.
>> He did not whine like a baby. He stood up for what was right. <<
He lied. He claimed he was tasered over and over again. He was tasered once. He claimed he was beaten over and over again; he was out of the car in seconds (although it probably seemed like a LONG time to him). He never mentionned that he had stopped up a highway for an hour. You so want a martyr, a victim for your cause, to hate the police, don’t you? Well, this loser isn’t it. Do you think people ought to be able to block a public highway when they want to to make their point?
Lie #1: “I was on my way back from a business trip.”
Truth: He had deliberately provoked the incident, as was proven by the way his car was rigged.
Lie #2: “Let me tell you why: because I told them that the fourth amendment protects [me] from warrantless searches.”
Truth: He was tasered because he used his car to obstruct a heavily travelled highway.
“Why is homeland security attacking my personal security?”
Because you were blocking a major highway, dumbass.
Idiocy: “But we have a government that has institutionalized torture, in spite of the 8th amendment.”
Truth: Now he sounds like a whiny liberal. Sorry, loser, but civil rights don’t apply to enemy combattants. But isn’t it interesting he’s defending the Taleban? Gotta get good media coverage from the left too.
Idiocy: “You don’t have to be an American to be endowed by your creator with a right to freedom.”
Truth: Let’s not forget, he’s referring to enemy combattants who seek to wipe freedom off the face of the earth.
Now we see his real agenda: a broadside, indiscriminate attack on REPUBLICANS. Does he pick out which Republicans are good versus which are bad? No, he attacks ALL Republicans, indiscriminately.
The pastor might do well by studying this doctrine:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2286252/posts
The greatness of a nation can only be measured by the virtue of its freedom and the integrity of its authority.
Criminality is the internal enemy to freedom. Law enforcement is the part of establishment designed to apprehend and punish criminals. Once a person is convicted of a crime, they have no rights under the Scriptural view of law until they have served their sentence.
“Do you need someone to explain your tag line to you?”
No my condescending friend, I do not. This arse-clown who, as another freeper pointed out, is a liar and deliberately caused this confrontation with the officers, is the ONLY ONE responsible for the temporary loss of his freedom by NOT OBEYING A LAWFUL ORDER FROM A POLICE OFFICER!
This is the third or fourth thread where I had to butt heads with freepers who seem to be anti-cop and think we are living in a police state. It seems that besides true patriots who post here, there are also those far-lunatic types. And this is supposed to be a Religious thread. It’s not ok to use a profanity as mild as ‘butt’ but it’s quite all right to bash the Police WHO DID NOTHING WRONG!!??
Stop being a good republican.
Stop being a good democrat.
... and start being a good AMERICAN.
- quote taken from the film, AMERICA: From Freedom to Fascism
I’ll be honest with you. I’m not going to read your link and get into a debate here. I have already made up my mind on this subject — long time ago based upon Romans chapter 13. I’m sure you have taken the time to interpret that section of scripture also being this is a religion thread. Anything I say in defense of Pastor Anderson will be fruitless. I support Pastor Anderson.
I will post my reply and this as my defense. Perhaps others who come across this who haven’t made up their mind can choose between your post and mine and come to their own conclusion.
Our Revolution and Romans 13: Audio :: Pastors discuss revolution. Are there grounds for its actions according to the Bible?
http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/Interview_Dixon.html
The idiocy is the notion that one must stop being a good republican to be a good American.
I am sorry, dangus. I saw the tape. He spoke with them.
I think it is time to take leglislative action against violators of the constitution or we are going to end up in a war.
It has gone too far just like unpunished and unsolved crime went to far in the 70’s and 80’s. We stopped that with passing leglislation that took power of sentencing out of the hands of the judges and sought the death penality for the worst violators.
We will have to agree to disagree. I am no hater of police. But I will also not tolerate corrupt police like we have right now in the country. There are too many excuses being made for them.
They were fifty miles from the border. He was not crossing the border; only traveling within the US as an American citizen.
You’re partly right, and I shouldn’t’ve said delusional. I was reacting a bit strongly to your demand to kill cops who were only doing their jobs. (Yes, I know you’ll probably say that was a Nuremberg defense, but we didn’t even kill the Nuremberg defendants!)
What I was referring to was the fact that he did not address the cops until they informed him he was under arrest. It was only the feds he finally responded to. And when they said to come out of the car or they’d remove him from the car, he should’ve known he was in trouble.
Seriously, what you’re advocating isn’t merely killing police because they abused their power. You’re advocating killing them because obeyed the law as passed by democratically elected officials, and upheld by courts. There is a legitimate issue as to whether those checkpoints are constitutional, but once he was stopped, his actions necessitated everything that happened from then on. Whose blood do you want soaking your hands? The local police, who only pulled him over? Or the feds who tased him, after they found him blocking traffic for 20 miles behind him? Which do you want to kill, Sara?
Ironically, your hero is talking about the need to avoid cruel and inhuman punishment, and you want to kill cops. Something doesn’t compute.
I am beginning to realize, dangus, that permitting the elite to ignore and violate the constitution or in the case of judges, redefine the constitution, is extremely deadly for the citizens of the US.
You are right. The focus of prosecution and penalities for violating the constitution should come to those in charge; not the cops following unconstitutional orders. After we prosecute elected officials who enact and enforce unconstitutional laws, we can go after corrupt cops with the same serious penalities. Violating the constitution is TREASON. Seeking death penalities for TREASON is not extreme in the body of history and meaning of the US.
At the same time, we must all realize that our police trainers and actors are not all of an “American” culture. We have Mexican police pretending to be Americans in Texas, for example. They act corrupt and violent like their brothers in Mexico and they corrupt American-American cops around them or under them. It is not limited to Texas.
We have a problem, Houston! It is really time to move out of the past and deal with the reality in front of us - case by case.
We will never agree on the details that led to pastor’s face being smashed into glass by the good officers of somebody’s “law.” Which is strange, as it is all recorded on a cell phone by the pastor. I will let your revision go.
But “automatic” reactions from conservatives - the protectors and respectors of the constitution - no longer fit the current situation: automatically and without question, I am on the side of law enforcement”...that is born of the period when liberals abused us with criminals and false accusations against law enforcement to protect their criminals. But now is now. We have “progressed.” Fascism...
I appreciate discussing this with you, Dangus. You are honorable and I know your heart is in the right place in what you are saying. I too, worry about the left using an opening to desimate law enforcement in the US with lies as they did in the 70’s and 80’s.
If you are able to support Mr Anderson, you might encourage him to study the doctrine presented in the link provided.
Crusader arrogance quenches the Holy Spirit, and merely builds a scarred thinking based upon identification of good and evil over faith alone through Christ alone.
God has provided for the institutions of volition, marriage, family, and local/national governance, each with legitimate authority.
The 19th Century British intellectual G. K. Chesterton wrote that “America is the only nation in the world that is founded on [a] creed.” And what is that creed that sets us apart? It is the eloquent, profound, and simple statement penned by Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence:
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”
There is nothing that empowers law enforcement at any level assume powers and authority greater than God and to alter that social contract.
The laws of divine establishment provide for national governance to enforce laws against the domestic enemies of criminality. Those who violate the rights of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness of others within the state are legitimately arrested by law enforcement until justice may determine their disposition.
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