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To: paulist

No. God can see all and can do all — the fact that he doesn’t and gives us free will is a miracle. God does not pre-ordain that people will go to hell.


36 posted on 06/27/2009 1:11:59 PM PDT by Cronos (Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delendae sunt + Jindal 2K12)
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To: Cronos

Psalm 139:1-6 (ESV) O LORD, you have searched me and known me! You know when I sit down and when I rise up; you discern my thoughts from afar. You search out my path and my lying down and are acquainted with all my ways. Even before a word is on my tongue, behold, O LORD, you know it altogether. You hem me in, behind and before, and lay your hand upon me. Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high; I cannot attain it.

Isaiah 46:9b-11 (ESV) for I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there in none like me, declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, “My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose,” calling a bird of prey from the east, the man of my counsel from a far country. I have spoken, and I will bring it to pass; I have purposed, and I will do it.

Romans 9:19-23 (ESV) You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will? But WHO ARE YOU O MAN, TO ANSWER BACK TO GOD? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory -

You can bow to God’s will or you can bow to man’s will but you can’t bow to both. Man’s will was corrupted by the fall, we are incapable of “choosing” to love GOd, apart from God circumcising our hearts (born again).

You might want to spend some time reading and re-reading the book of John. The words of our Lord should bring you to your knees when you realize that if you are one of His sheep, it’s because God adopted you into His family, of His own will, despite your rebellion.

You didn’t “choose” Him, He chose you to be a member of His family (1 Cor. 1:30 - An because of HIM, you are in Christ Jesus).


39 posted on 06/27/2009 1:39:38 PM PDT by paulist
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