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FOR ALL WHO HAVE BEEN BRINGING THE STRAWMAN SERVATUS UP EVERY TIME A JOHN CALVIN ARTICLE IS POSTED TO IN SOME WAY DISCREDIT REFORMED PROTESTANTS.LEARN ABOUT ONE OF MANY,MOTHER ROMES CARE TOWARD GOD'S CREATION. TEN THOSAND MEN,WOMEN AND CHILDREN SLAUGHTERED.
1 posted on 06/19/2009 3:54:08 PM PDT by alpha-8-25-02
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To: alpha-8-25-02
Why the yelling?


2 posted on 06/19/2009 3:57:18 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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To: alpha-8-25-02

Let’s not also forget how Henry VIII brought Huguenots to England in order to destroy the monasteries and hundreds of years worth of philosophical and theological works and priceless treasures because he knew no Englishman would willingly destroy his own heritage.


3 posted on 06/19/2009 3:58:14 PM PDT by Rodebrecht (What are you and who do you want?)
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To: drstevej; OrthodoxPresbyterian; CCWoody; Wrigley; Gamecock; Jean Chauvin; jboot; AZhardliner; ...

A BLESSED 500 YEAR CELEBRATION OF JOHN CALVIN’S BIRTH!


4 posted on 06/19/2009 3:59:31 PM PDT by alpha-8-25-02 ("SAVED BY GRACE AND GRACE ALONE")
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To: alpha-8-25-02

My Huguenot ancestors, the Sicards, escaped from La Rochelle to Ehgland and to the US in the 1680s...

About the time of the Revocation of the Edict of Nantes...

They smuggled out their precious Bible by baking it into a loaf of bread...

They lived in NYC and then founded New Rochelle, NY...

On the monument in Hudson Park of the 151 Huguenot names...

http://www.chadeayne.com/images/monument_names.jpg

Badeau, Du Bois, Mabille, Sicard,

are my direct ancestors..

Of the Walloons, Jesse De Forest is also my ancestor

His descendent, Simon De Forest, of Albany, NY, was a LOyalist killed in the American Revolution...

His daughter, Hannah (Ann) De Forest, born in Albany, NY married Stephen Secord (Sicard) born in New Rochelle, NY

Stephen’s mother was Madelaine Badeau, another Huguenot family..

My Huguenot forebears have been a source of inspiration and encouragement to me for most of my life..


10 posted on 06/19/2009 4:18:51 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: alpha-8-25-02

Not a bad read

From my library:

“The Huguenots: their Settlements, Churches and Industries in England and Ireland.”

by Samuel Smiles

Genealogical Publishing Co, Inc.
Baltimore 1972

Originally published
New York 1868

BX9458.G7S5 1972

ISBN 0-8063—497-9


13 posted on 06/19/2009 4:39:12 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Once a Republic, Now a State, Still Texas)
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To: alpha-8-25-02

It may shock and startle some but protestantism always coincided with violence when it was implemented by the protestants. Those parts are rarely mentioned.

Protestantism arose with the support of State and immediately, where it began, siezed lands, plundered churches and monestaries, and persecuted Catholics.

This is a fact of historical record whether one believes protestants were right or wrong.


15 posted on 06/19/2009 4:40:16 PM PDT by lucias_clay (Its times like this I'm glad I'm a whig.)
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To: alpha-8-25-02

This is not the first time that a French King and a Pope chose to persecute a group.

King Philip “the Fair” and Pope Clement V did something similar in France beginning on Friday October 13, 1307. There are those who still remember those outrages.

How long would it have taken and what would the outcome have been to colonize the U.S. had it not been for religious persecution in Europe?

Are those stains the reason our founders cautioned against any involvement (tangling alliances) with Europe?

Is that still good advice?


19 posted on 06/19/2009 4:50:00 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Once a Republic, Now a State, Still Texas)
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To: alpha-8-25-02

Louis XIV didn’t necessarily represent the Catholic Church. He had his own agenda. And Cardinal Richelieu, who was his chief minister, was more of an ambitious politician than a servant of the Church.

There were plenty of injustices on both sides. While Catholics were killing Protestants in France, Calvin was burning heretics in Geneva. The schism in Christianity was bad all around. Perhaps the worst of it was the 30 Years War in the German States, which involved plentiful atrocities by both sides.

I have read numerous novels about the Huguenots, including one written by my great uncle back around 1895. I enjoyed them, but I never imagined that one side was all good and the other was all evil.

For a while, it was doubtful whether France would have a Catholic or a Protestant king. But whichever won was pretty certain to do what he felt necessary to consolidate his power.


21 posted on 06/19/2009 4:51:58 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: alpha-8-25-02

Ironically, here in central Virginia (place of Huguenot landing), a secular private school built to shelter white kids during segregation called Huguenot Academy was bought by the Catholic diocese of Richmond. It’s now called Blessed Sacrament Huguenot Catholic Academy. Every time I see the name I think someone must be rolling in their grave somewhere.


29 posted on 06/19/2009 5:20:17 PM PDT by constitutiongirl ("Duty is ours. Consequences are God's."- General Thomas 'Stonewall' Jackson)
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To: alpha-8-25-02

I’d say there have been zealots on all sides who have gone too far and done evil in the name of their religion. The important thing is not to repeat their mistakes. All Christians are brothers in Christ and children of God. In that, we can take joy.


34 posted on 06/19/2009 5:48:40 PM PDT by Melian ("Now, Y'all without sin can cast the first stone." ~H.I. McDunnough)
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To: alpha-8-25-02; P-Marlowe; blue-duncan; Corin Stormhands

This is HUGH and SERIES!


43 posted on 06/19/2009 6:18:24 PM PDT by xzins (Chaplain Says: Jesus befriends those who seek His help.)
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To: alpha-8-25-02

I must say, I find the inside of the cathedral at Geneva quite depressing.


70 posted on 06/19/2009 7:36:38 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Pas d'ennmis a droit)
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To: alpha-8-25-02
Almost 500 years ago. I can't get too excited about dredging up those animosities - regardless of what side of it you're on. It's quite likely that more recently, one of your ancestors cheated one of my ancestors on the sale of a cow.

You know, I'm not real happy to hear about how my Catholic ancestors suffered for their faith under the likes of Cromwell or William of Orange. But, it's time to move away from that stuff, not wallow in it.

We're in the 21st Century, and Christianity is under attack. If people can't see how dredging up old animosities is not playing in to the hands of satan himself, then we are doomed.

93 posted on 06/19/2009 9:56:45 PM PDT by Barnacle (God help us.)
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To: alpha-8-25-02; narses

Not a very accurate picture. On FR, we should avoid posting articles that purposefully present a few selected “facts” (some of which are rather dubious) and deliberately omit others. The term is polemic, and the use of polemics is at odds with the Conservative’s love of, and pursuit of truth, wherever the facts may lead us.

As Pope John Paul II taught in Ut Unum Sint (1995) “Nevertheless, besides the doctrinal differences needing to be resolved, Christians cannot underestimate the burden of long-standing misgivings inherited from the past, and of mutual misunderstandings and prejudices. Complacency, indifference and insufficient knowledge of one another often make this situation worse. Consequently, the commitment to ecumenism must be based upon the conversion of hearts and upon prayer, which will also lead to the necessary purification of past memories. With the grace of the Holy Spirit, the Lord’s disciples, inspired by love, by the power of the truth and by a sincere desire for mutual forgiveness and reconciliation, are called to re-examine together their painful past and the hurt which that past regrettably continues to provoke even today. All together, they are invited by the ever fresh power of the Gospel to acknowledge with sincere and total objectivity the mistakes made and the contingent factors at work at the origins of their deplorable divisions. What is needed is a calm, clear-sighted and truthful vision of things, a vision enlivened by divine mercy and capable of freeing people’s minds and of inspiring in everyone a renewed willingness, precisely with a view to proclaiming the Gospel to the men and women of every people and nation.”


147 posted on 06/21/2009 5:10:29 AM PDT by Huber (And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. - John 1:5)
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To: alpha-8-25-02

This what the Huguenots believed...

Why they were willing to give up their homeland rather than give up their Savior, Jesus Christ the Lord...

This is what Christianity is really all about...

Listen and watch and be blessed today...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_n0qDAYsBQ&feature=PlayList&p=8ECD0C4ED187CD9E&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=28


149 posted on 06/21/2009 11:06:43 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: alpha-8-25-02

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150 posted on 06/21/2009 11:11:55 AM PDT by SnarlinCubBear (Sarcasma - Comforting relief from the use of irony, mocking and conveying contempt)
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156 posted on 09/04/2009 4:52:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: alpha-8-25-02

Half Huguenot half Catholic here. Lay off the bible bricks. The commies are throwing us all out of bell towers now. Get over it and group together and fall one at a time.


158 posted on 09/04/2009 5:01:45 PM PDT by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......?)
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To: alpha-8-25-02
let's trace the Huguenots, shall we. In france, under Francis I, France was tolerant of all religious views

however, what did the Huguenots do? In the affair of the placards they posted placards all over Paris and even on the bedchamber door of the king (a security breach that angered him and made him change his tolerance position) -- these placards were attacks on Catholics.

So, instead of discussing, the Huguenots went to attack the Catholic majority who until then were content to let them live and debate and discuss and debate. Incidently, until this time the Huguenots were increasing, like the Moslems in Bradford, but then they started to get shrill and wake people up with their attacks

This polemic was an attack and the Huguenots started this retaliation.This was in 1534

Next, came the French wars of religion in which the Huguenots conspired against the King. This, added to the previous attack meant that they now publically came to attack the conservative forces. The progressives of the Huguenots were the precursors of the Revolutionaires

The people who became Huguenots were primarily the urban elite, like our present-day New Yorkers who take a fad and they saw that this was a means to oppose the King, so Huguenotism became a political tool

A group of Huguenots tried to kidnap the Prince Francis II when his father died -- causing more antagonism.

Huguenots in 1560 attacked Catholic Churchs and destroyed properties in Rouen and La Rochelle -- thus the FIRST salvo was lobbed by the Huguenots. -- the Catholics retailiated with mobs at seeing their places of worship attacked and defiled by Huguenots

Next, in 1562-70, we have the wars -- now political-religious, so no, it was not a simple case of "persecution" --> The Huguenots were one side of a civil war, which they lost

Now, let's come to the juicy part, the St. Bart's day massacre -- this occured in 1572, 40 years after the first provocations by the Huguenots and 12 years after they started destroying Catholic Churchs (just like the Moslems in America they were quiet until their numbers grew)

now, King Charles XI was openly in favor of the Huguenots -- so a political moment. Hence the attacks on the opposing side

So, let's see in conclusion -- Huguenots first start their provocations in 1534, then in 1560 start attacking Catholic Churchs (with no provocation), then start their political support against the conservatives and start a civil war. After 12 years their side loses the civil war and yet they are still allowed to live and practise their faith (note this is the 1500s, not a nice time, yet they get this tolerance) -- but they still play political intrigues. So, one faction starts to attack and massacre the other faction

so, stop the entire "poor persecuted Huguenots" -- they brought it on themselves.

160 posted on 05/05/2011 2:45:21 AM PDT by Cronos (Libspeak: "Yes there is proof. And no, for the sake of privacy I am not posting it here.")
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