Posted on 06/15/2009 1:42:58 PM PDT by NYer
I agree with you on every thing you wrote. I was raised Baptist and will never call another man “Father”.
A cult claims that they are the true cult and have the true priesthood, and without the true cult and its ordinances and ceremonies, you will be damned. Leave the cult and you will abandon your salvation.
Geeze! Talk about psychologically and spiritually abusive! Instead of Christ being our salvation it is the cult.
Actually we did! This is the first usage of the word “Saints” in the entire Bible: (Deu 33:1-3 KJV) And this is the blessing, wherewith Moses the man of God blessed the children of Israel before his death. {2} And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them. {3} Yea, he loved the people; all his saints are in thy hand: and they sat down at thy feet; every one shall receive of thy words.
The Bible calls 'saints" to all believers, whether they lived before or after Christ. Now, if you are thinking on "Catholic-style" saints, you would be right, there ain'!
Can you please show me some biblical examples of confession, priests... in the early Church? As a Sunday school teacher I would be very interested to have a look at them. I love it when I can learn something new!
Jesus is the High Priest and He was celibate.
He’s in your New Testament, right?
You wrote:
“I was raised Baptist and will never call another man “Father”.”
What did you call your Dad?
Dad?
You wrote:
“Jesus said, “Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.” (Matthew 23:9)”
Okay, so what did you call your Dad?
“Thanks for letting me chime in—as a former Catholic, I am grateful that we can rely on the authority and inerrancy of Scripture—God’s very word—rather than on the traditions and words of men.”
Okay, please tell me how you know the gospel of Matthew is inspired? I would like a verse that specifically mentions his gospel please. Also, please let me know what verse in Matthew tells you Matthew wrote that gospel. Thanks in advance.
And what does “Dad” mean?
2 Tim. 3:16. All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness".
This is the Gospel, my friend. Thank you for such a direct and profound statement of the truth. We are very grateful to God and happy for you that you have escaped the clutches of the Vatican.
Yes, indeed, once the blood was shed, we Gentiles who once were far off, were grafted in, and we have that direct access to the Father through His Son according to His grace, by faith. No longer needing other mediators, no longer needing ceremonies, no longer needing additional sacrifice. You have clearly set out the beauty of freedom in Christ, alone, as attested to in the innerrant Scriptures. Again, thanks.
Is there a scripture that specifically states that Jesus was celibate, or are the scriptures merely silent on that point?
With regard to “high priest”, specifically where does it use that term with regard to Jesus?
Personally, if the scriptures are silent on a particular point then I will be as well, and I will refrain from specious speculation.
You posted:
“2 Tim. 3:16. All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness”.”
I didn’t ask you to post a verse that said scripture was inspired. I asked you for a verse that said the gospel of MATTHEW was inspired. Can you even post a verse that shows that Matthew’s gospel is scripture? Can you post a single verse that shows Christians in the New Testament thought Matthew’s gospel was inspired? Can you post a single verse that shows Matthew was in fact the author of the gospel ascribed to him?
Can’t you post any verses at all for what you believe about Matthew or his gospel?
You wrote:
“Is there a scripture that specifically states that Jesus was celibate, or are the scriptures merely silent on that point?”
Do you have any verses that show He was married? Was St. Paul married?
“With regard to “high priest”, specifically where does it use that term with regard to Jesus?”
Who else offered Jesus to the Father? Was it not Jesus Himself? Aren’t you familiar with Hebrews 3:1?
“Personally, if the scriptures are silent on a particular point then I will be as well, and I will refrain from specious speculation.”
I make no speculation. Jesus was celibate. He could never have taken a wife.
According to the Webster’s Dictionary, it means “father”. Notice, it does not say “Father”. You really don’t see the difference between calling your dad “father” or calling some one else “Father So-and-so”? I taught for one year at a Catholic high school, and I left (wasn’t fired, they tried to sue me to force me to return) among other things because of the way everybody looked at me when I called the priest who came once a week “mister” and “sir”. They thought I was being purposedly rude.
Can you even post a verse that shows that Matthew’s gospel is NOT Scripture? If it is, it obviously is inspired. If it isn’t, why do you find it it your Catholic Bible?
Daddy. ;0)
From one former-Catholic to another... praise the Lord!
I make no speculation. Jesus was celibate. He could never have taken a wife.
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Unless you can point to a scripture, then you are speculating.
Personally, I do not speculate. The scriptures are silent on this point. I do not know and will refrain from any speculation on Christ’s marital status.
I sure am thankful that I was saved into the Body of Christ by the free gift of God’s grace, without works. I didnt have to earn my salvation, nor be bothered with the traditions of men.
You wrote:
“According to the Webster’s Dictionary, it means “father”. Notice, it does not say “Father”.”
You think it’s in caps in the Greek mss.? So are you saying that you can call your Dad Dad, but you better not do it at the beginning of the sentence or else you’re in trouble with Jesus? Hilarious.
“You really don’t see the difference between calling your dad “father” or calling some one else “Father So-and-so”?”
Yes, I see the difference. I also see it doesn’t violate the scriptures. It just violates your own weird interpretation of them. http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/1991/9101dq.asp
http://www.catholic.com/library/Call_No_Man_Father.asp
“I taught for one year at a Catholic high school, and I left (wasn’t fired, they tried to sue me to force me to return) among other things because of the way everybody looked at me when I called the priest who came once a week “mister” and “sir”. They thought I was being purposedly rude.”
The school’s better off.
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