Posted on 06/15/2009 1:42:58 PM PDT by NYer
You wrote:
“You can serve the Catholic Church if you want to. As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord (Joshua 24:15).”
Denying Christ’s Body is not a way to serve the Lord.
“I don’t reject Jesus’ work. I reject the Catholic Church’s work, which has very little to do with Jesus’ work.”
The Church IS Christ’s work.
“You seem to be more interested in trying to discredit the portions of God’s word that contrast with your positions than in taking the Lord’s message to heart.”
I never discredited scripture? Why are you making up things like that? I asked YOU, that’s YOU, questions about how you knew that Matthew was inspired. YOU utterly failed to present any scriptural proof that said Matthew’s gospel was written by Matthew, or inspired. That was the point, and your utter failure showed it to be an excellent one.
“That is your prerogative, but I think it’s one you will ultimately regret.”
How can I regret something I’ve never done? I already point this out to you, but I’ll say it again and then I’ll demand proof from you: I asked YOU, that’s YOU, questions about how you knew that Matthew was inspired. YOU utterly failed to present any scriptural proof that said Matthew’s gospel was written by Matthew, or inspired. That was the point, and your utter failure showed it to be an excellent one.
Now, post even the slightest bit of proof that I ever once anywhere, anytime EVER discredited scripture. Can you do that? I don’t see how since I never did it. All I did was ask you questions and you utterly failed to answer them. That was the point.
You failed to provide one verse that proved ANYTHING about Matthew’s gospel. It is from the Church that we know about Matthew’s gospel and it is from the Church that YOU got the gospel. That’s the point. And you utterly failed to show any evidence otherwise.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
Sorry, I don’t follow. Which Catholics, and wrong about what? Also, I have a question. When did someone decree that priests must be celibate? Wasn’t it only a couple centuries ago?
Where is purgatory mentioned in the Bible?
I hear you boss.
That's why we need a Roman Emperor to tell us what to do? Not buying it. While we're on that subject, which pope was it who decided to institute the celibate priesthood? Because it hasn't been around for the entire history of the Church, right?
Also, when was it decreed that Mary didn't die, but was "Assumed" (I guess that's the word; whatever the root of "Assumption Day" is) into heaven?
No. Not what I said.
While we're on that subject, which pope was it who decided to institute the celibate priesthood? Because it hasn't been around for the entire history of the Church, right? Also, when was it decreed that Mary didn't die, but was "Assumed" (I guess that's the word; whatever the root of "Assumption Day" is) into heaven?
The standpoint of the Roman Church was different. Thus Pope Siricius declared in 385 that priestly marriage had been allowed in the Old Testament because the priests could only be taken from the tribe of Levi; but that with the abandonment of that limitation this permission had lost its force, and that “obscoen cupiditates” (i.e., marriage) hindered the proper performance of spiritual functions. Succeeding popes adhered to this view (cf. decretals of Innocent I., 404, 405, and Leo I., 456, 458), and the rest of the Western Church came to it (Synods of Carthage, 390, 401). Candidates for the higher orders were accordingly required to take a vow of celibacy, and from the fifth century those for the subdiaconate also.
The Church had varying opines until the Council of Trent in 1548 and at that time celibacy became the rule.
Fair enough.
<<<”I reject the Catholic Church’s work, which has very little to do with Jesus’ work.”>>>
Sorry to hear that. The Church teaches and does the following. I believe Christ would think they are from him and that the Church does His Work!
Are you then against the:
Corporal Works of Mercy
* To feed the hungry;
* To give drink to the thirsty;
* To clothe the naked;
* To harbour the harbourless;
* To visit the sick;
* To ransom the captive;
* To bury the dead.
Spiritual Works of Mercy:
* To instruct the ignorant;
* To counsel the doubtful;
* To admonish sinners;
* To bear wrongs patiently;
* To forgive offences willingly;
* To comfort the afflicted;
* To pray for the living and the dead.
So, it’s a secret? Or you don’t know which Roman Emperor decided that Mary never died?
Can you tell me when somebody decided that Mary never died?
From the 5th Century: The Feast of the Assumption of Mary was celebrated in Syria.
The same testimony is clear also in the Western Church (Gregory, Tours, 538-594).
847 by Leo IV
1950
Pope Pius XII, declared infallibly, ex cathedra: “Mary, having completed the course of her earthly life, was assumed body and soul to heavenly glory.”
Got it.
There is no dogmatic teaching regarding whether she was alive or dead when she was assumed. Your confusing two different events.
You wrote:
“So, it’s a secret? Or you don’t know which Roman Emperor decided that Mary never died?”
Did any Roman EMPEROR ever make such a “decision”? No pope ever has.
So, did she die, or not?
You wrote:
“So, hundreds of years after she walked the earth, somebody said she never died. And Pius, the Nazis’ favorite Pope, had the final word.”
Who EXACTLY said she never died? Also, how could Pope Pius XII be a fovorite of the Nazis if Hitler at one time ordered him kidnapped or assassinated? Is that what you would do with your favorite people? Well, maybe YOU would.
I think she probably died, but I was not there; the Church makes no teaching on that aspect of her passing. Again, the Assumption has nothing to do with her being alive or dead at the time of the event.
Now Vladimir...
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