Posted on 08/23/2008 6:00:25 AM PDT by IreneE
RICK JOYNER, THE APOSTLE PAUL AND THE ANTICHRIST This article is by ‘AriseMyLove’: and used by permission.
In March 2007 I heard someone at my church Bible group innocently read out loud one of Rick Joyner’s messages from the Elijah List.
http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:mzLW88CKXgYJ:www.elijahlist.com/words/display_word/5039+Elijah+list+Rick+Joyner
Unfortunately for the person reading aloud, I became apoplectic at what I heard Joyner say. I flipped out in the class. I already was on the alert to anyone talking about prophecy or false prophecy because of things the Lord had recently spoken to me.
I had previously loved Joyner. I had even personally ordered The Final Quest for the women in my Bible group at my previous church — (a sin I need to now repent of for poisoning them).
There was such grandeur in the way Joyner described spiritual warfare in that book. I frequently repeated his story about the homeless man “who did not kick the kitten” vs. the well-bred evangelist who led thousands to the Lord. (It took a man who had been through seminary to catch the lie in Joyner’s story for me — that it was a subtle attack upon the fact that the whole point OF spiritual warfare is evangelism!)
I remember taking some note when reading how Joyner said he “met Paul” and how Joyner’s version of “Paul” had been slightly disparaging about his own Epistles. Rick Joyner’s “Apostle Paul” in The Final Quest made the reader, ever so slightly, come into doubt about the veracity of Paul’s Epistles as being part of the sealed canon of Scripture.
But, I did not really question The Final Quest, and I did NOT really fine-tooth the book with the Word. I just did a sort of “weighing it in my heart” kind of confirmation. Big mistake.
So years later, when someone was reading Rick Joyner’s deconstruction of Our Lord’s Parable of the Wheat and the Tares, I went nuts in the class. My ears were on fire. Joyner was attempting to rewrite its meaning, that the Wheat and the Tares are not believers and unbelievers — they are “true prophets” and “false prophets!”
This was after I had been alerted by God to the problem of false prophecy by some Apostolic-Prophetic types — and Joyner’s reconditioning of the Word started to sound like more “cover your rear-end” theology on the prophetic.
Joyner had to know about the many false prophecies that had gone out with his fellow Elijah Listers. Joyner’s own false prophecies about Y2K were legend; but even those false prophecies he made he had already tried to cover up.
But now, in an Elijah List message, Joyner was saying that modern prophets are on a learning curve, basically, but woe to us if we do not “sow” into their ministries, even though, just like in the parable of the wheat and the tares, we will not know until the end of time who the true prophets are and who the false prophets are!
Joyner wrote:
“Young, immature prophetic people will often behave unskilled, and we will be tempted to think that they are really “tares” instead of “wheat.”
Joyner’s argument is so convoluted here, I again have to doubt his sanity.
First, he uses a new lexicon of the Apostolic-Prophetic by using the word “immature” and “unskilled” when he means to describe people who have given false prophecies. It is twisting the truth to say that people give false prophecies because they are “immature” or “unskilled”. What does human skill have to do with it?
And what does being immature — or even being a baby Christian have to do with it? In the book of Acts, Paul laid hands on John the Baptist’s disciple and the man was “immediately filled with the Spirit and began to prophesy”. I don’t see Paul discussing a learning curve for prophetic accuracy here. I don’t see Paul packing up this young man to a school of the Prophets.
Joyner defiles the word of God as he dares twist the meaning of the “wheat” to mean “true prophets” and the “tares” to mean false ones. But God was telling us that He would have to destroy the lives of Believers (the wheat) if He took vengeance upon Unbelievers (the tares) now, because wheat and tares grow so closely together. It is sort of an expansive analogy to how the Lord allows the sun to rise and set upon the righteous and unrighteous alike.
The Parable of the Wheat and the Tares is an answer to the believer’s cry when they “see the wicked prosper”. God is saying that if He destroyed the wicked now, (for example, Hollywood), the structures and institutions (for example, the studios) that support us believers in that industry would be destroyed. Our own abundant life would be threatened if unbelievers were taken out now! It is His mercy on us, in this parable, that He is patient and merciful.
But this parable has NOTHING AT ALL to do with the myriad warnings by Jesus against false teachings and false prophecies. Joyner is deceitfully twisting the Word of God for his own purposes. Because of the importance of prophecy, and its natural sway over people’s lives — Jesus, in contrast to Joyner, lovingly but sternly warns us to put prophecy to the test, to beware false prophets and avoid their heresies.
Joyner further twists the Word by saying that some people are accusing his prophetic friends of being “tares”. But this is a lie. The criticism against Joyner and Bob Jones and Paul Cain and other prophets associated with them is that they are “false prophets” not “tares”(unbelievers)
Big distinction there, Mr. Joyner.
And, despite Joyner’s claim, it is not a matter of “skill” or human dexterity that is the mark of true prophecy. Whether or not it comes from God is the mark of true prophecy. Joyner reconstructs the meaning of this scripture to give him and his pals an “out” for false prophecy by labeling it “unskilled” and from young prophets. What hubris. What pride to think that he can do this sort of thing to Jesus.
But THEN as this person read on, Joyner defiled Paul! Again, it was a subtle attack. He made a false statement that Paul had gone from “pride to humility” based upon his salutations in his various letters. And again, it was to cover up the false prophecies done by his friends in the Apostolic-Prophetic movement. Note how Joyner inserts this phony idea of “maturity” in regards to prophecy into the argument:
One of the great examples of how the wheat matures is the Apostle Paul. In one of his early letters, he stated that he was not inferior to even the most eminent apostles (see II Corinthians 11:5). He wrote about five years later that he was the “least of the apostles” (see I Corinthians 15:9). In a letter he wrote about five years after this, he stated that he was “the least of the saints” (see Ephesians 3:8). In one of his last letters, he declared himself to be “the greatest of sinners” (see I Timothy 1:15). He kept seeing himself as less important, though he was obviously growing in spiritual stature, and actually was one of the most important first century apostles.
We need to also consider that Paul may have been quite arrogant as a young apostle, but he was still an apostle!
Joyner attempts to make the argument that, like Paul, his prophet pals were making false prophecies but that, like Paul, they would improve!!! And even Joyner’s chronology is incorrect - 2 Corinthians was not written before 1 Corinthians.
But these self-descriptions by Paul do not indicate a “confession of sin” or a statement of where Paul was with personal sin at that time. They were simply greetings and ways to put himself into the context of what each letter was about. It is a bad argument to draw a conclusion about Paul’s personal sin from the way he describes himself in the Epistles.
But it is a worse argument to draw any conclusion from Joyner’s conceit about Paul’s sin that modern false prophets are learning to be “accurate” just as Paul “went from pride to humility”! Joyner’s own pride is outrageous in its attempts to denigrate Paul in order to cover up the false prophecies of his friends. As this person finished reading, I almost exploded.
So I started to research Joyner. I wanted to understand why he would try to cover up the false prophecies of fellow Elijah Listers by attempting to “redo” the Word in the Parable of the Wheat/Tares. Certainly it was sick self-preservation of his friends; a despicable, but understandable motive. But this was the second time I knew of that Joyner making an attack upon Paul. I just could not understand why he would attack the veracity of Paul and the epistles.
Then I remembered an odd argument I once heard. Jesus never mentioned homosexuality, but Paul did. Some people have tried to scissor Paul out of the Bible, and Peter to a lesser context, simply because they named that sin. The argument goes: Paul was just a man, Jesus was the Lord, so Paul’s writings are not valid against homosexuality. The Synoptic Gospels were the real “Word” and they never mentioned homosexuality! I remembered this argument when I was thinking about Joyner’s attack on Paul.
Why would Joyner make a subtle attack on Paul’s letters as not being the Word of God? Which is exactly what he was doing in The Final Quest. I could not understand Joyner’s motive. So I remembered the homosexual argument that dismissed the Epistles as not being on the same level as the Word as the Synoptic Gospels.
So I looked up practicing Gay “Christians” to see what they believed about Rick Joyner.
http://www.gaychurch.org/The_Word/Prophetic/red_vs_blue_states_and_prophecy.htm
I was shocked at their arms-length acceptance of Joyner and Bob Jones. Arms length — meaning that these people believe it is okay to be gay in Jesus’ eyes and that Joyner might be okay. In that community, this means that they really really really LIKE Rick Joyner. Strike one.
Then I thought: Well if these deceived people are okay with Joyner, how about the Mormons? Joyner is doing exactly what the Mormons did by questioning the veracity of the Word, with their “adding to the gospel” with revelations by demonic beings (by which the Mormons are saying that there is “something wrong” or “something insufficient” with the Bible) Joyner is conversing with angels, small “j” jesus, etc., just like Joseph Smith did in his abominations.
I found my answer from one of the nuttiest “prophets” of modern day Mormonism. This man prophesied that: the same spirit that raised up the Angel Moroni, of Nefti and Alma and Joseph Smith and Brigham Young also called forth Rick Joyner and his vision of the End Times in his book The Final Quest.
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,465033465,00.html
I just about fell over. A demonic spirit was claiming Rick Joyner? And it became apparent to me as I googled that already many scholars had compared Joyner with Mormons. It started to click. Then I recalled that after I digested THE FINAL QUEST I purchased Joyner’s There Were Two Trees In the Garden. I could not understand anything Joyner was saying in that book.
However, some smart Pastor already figured it out the real motivations behind Joyner in his critique:
MANIFEST SONS OF SATAN
It is chilling to hear Joyner (in There Were Two Trees In The Garden) use words that apply to and are addressed to Satan and address them to believers. Isaiah reveals the awful pride and arrogance of Lucifer:
“I will ascend to heaven. I will raise my throne above the stars of God, and I will sit on the mount of assembly in the sides of the north. I will ascend the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.” Isa.14 13-14
To be like God was the delusion held out to Eve by the serpent in the garden. Yet, Joyner, after having addressed the prideful inclinations of Satan and the deception of Eve, without a blush says:
“Let us understand, the Lord wants us to ascend to heaven; He wants us to sit on the mount of the assembly; He wants us to be raised above the heights of the clouds, and He wants us to be like Him (to have His nature).”71
Here Joyner gives away his orientation toward Manifest Sons and Little God doctrines. Why was what was off-limits to the devil any less off-limits to us? Ezekiel 28 gives God’s answer to Lucifer — and the five “I wills” of Isaiah 14 are responded with the five “I wills” of God’s judgment for wanting to usurp the very throne of God and become like God.
DENIAL OF THE BODILY RESURRECTION OF JESUS
Joyner’s false teachings abound and multiply. It may be sloppy writing or unclear theology but it becomes even more serious as Joyner slips into teachings that would be welcome in a Kingdom Hall.
How should we view Jesus? We should view Him as the Bible does. John 2:21-22 and Luke 24:39 make it abundantly clear that Jesus arose in His physical body. The bodily resurrection is a foundational truth in the Christian faith. Jesus, as our mediator, exists in a glorified resurrected body. He is forever the God-man.
This truth of the two natures of Christ is called the hypostatic union and has always been defended by the Church. Christ exists in two natures, human and divine (Philippians 2:6-7).
Apparently, Joyner either denies this or simply does not understand it:
“There is a tendency to continue relating to Him as ‘the MAN from Galilee.’ Jesus is not a man. He was and is Spirit. He took the form of a servant and became a man for a brief time.”72
71. There Were Two Trees in the Garden, op. cit., pg. 54, italics in original. 72. Ibid., pg. 59, bold in original. 73. Louis Berkhof, Systematic Theology. Grand Rapids, Mich.: Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Co., 1976, pg. 322. 74. There Were Two Trees in the Garden, op. cit., pg. 64, emphasis added.
Joyner couldn’t be clearer in his declaration: “Jesus is not a man. He was and is Spirit”. Joyner finds himself closely aligned with Gnosticism, one of the most threatening heresies of the early Church. More specifically, he is bordering on a form of Docetism, a view which denies Christ’s true humanity by saying that Christ only “appeared” to have a physical body. However, based on a multitude of Scriptures, Louis Berkhof summarizes the view of historical orthodoxy:
“The incarnation constituted Him a complex person, constituted of two natures. He is the God-man… the one divine person, who possessed a divine nature from eternity, assumed a human nature, and now has both.”73
Surely no true prophet of God would deny the human nature of Christ or that Jesus is in a resurrected glorified body. Paul reminds us in 1 Timothy 2:5, “There is one Mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” How can Joyner say, “Jesus is not a man”? If we accept Prophet Joyner, then we have eroded the doctrinal truths that separate Christianity from the cults. http://www.pfo.org/r-joyner.htm
As shown, Joyner has a strangely simplistic view of the spiritual realm. It is almost like taking your understanding of ghosts and demonic possession from Hollywood movies. Or, how the Mormons misrepresent Jesus as being Satan’s brother, as if their idea didn’t shatter any notion of the Godhead or of Christian salvation.
By Joyner saying that “Jesus was and is Spirit” and just sorta slipped into an earthly body for a short stint on earth, then — with the same conviction — one could say that “when people are possessed, a demon just slips into that person’s body for a short time” -not unlike the ridiculously simple theology of a Hollywood ghost film. But there is more to the Trinity — and to possession — than Joyner’s GHOSTBUSTERS mentality.
A final objection to Joyner is this:
Why would any Christian, any Christian author of importance, any preacher of any merit, or any Christian, period, go out of their way to pen such a distressingly obvious sentence: Jesus was and is Spirit? This is precisely what Jesus warned us to look for:
“Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is Anti-Christ, that denieth the Father and the Son.”
By saying that Jesus “was and is” Spirit, Joyner is denying there is a difference between the Father and the Son! The Father is Spirit, and the Son is the Pre-existent God Man*, the Word Made Flesh. Joyner has identified himself as Antichrist.
But Joyner may have thought he was getting around a more popular Bible definition of Anti-Christ here:
Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.
… because Joyner does say “Well, Jesus was in a body on earth for a while”, he would seem to avoid the Anti Christ label. But this plays on Christian ignorance of who Jesus is and WHY:
Instead, God the Word, in His grace, added to Himself human nature (Phil. 2:5-8] in order to bear our sins in His body on the cross (1 Pet. 2:24) so that He might become sin on our behalf (2 Cor. 5:21).
Jesus preexisted with the Father as God-With-A-HUMAN-NATURE in order that mankind would be saved.
By Joyner saying Jesus was and is Spirit, we lose our salvation!
Still, Joyner had to know that his words could be construed in this manner. He is playing with “anti-Christ” fire. But why even bother opening this huge door for criticism?
That’s the head-scratcher on Joyner. Why write anything in this realm of “anti-Christ” at all? What would make Joyner so… blind?
The only answer is found in his own book THE FINAL QUEST about the Christians in “Pride” who got shot in the rear-end because they are too “proud” to admit there is no armor there. And it certainly explains Joyner’s false attack on Paul for Pride (Joyner is projecting his own sin upon the Apostle Paul.)
In the over-wordy and unreadable Gnosticism of Joyner’s book THERE WERE TWO TREES IN THE GARDEN, we find an entire landscape of Joyner’s own pride in his knowledge about religious things without Christian wisdom — the fear of the Lord. “Knowledge puffeth up” and Joyner has shot himself in his own rear end.
Joyner fails the Biblical test. He has shown that he dares, in his pride, to rewrite Scripture for his own reasons, something that God forbids anyone to do. He unwittingly has identified himself as Anti-Christ.
But, again, what is the motive here? If this is an Anti-Christ situation, what is happening? And why, besides trying to create a false doctrine for the false prophecies of his friends Bob Jones, Paul Cain, Chuck Pierce, C Peter Wagner, what is the specific motive behind it? So how does all the stuff about Mormons and Gay “Christians” claiming Joyner fit in?
This is the scary part. It is known that the Anti Christ one world governmental religion will be a totalitarian theocracy that kills Christians. Emma, the angel Bob Jones claims started the whole Kansas City Movement means: embracing everything…
Emma (really the name of a demon of Hell on Satanist’s websites named Emma O who inspires fear in anyone who does not believe in Satan!) Emma, the angel given by Bob Jones to Todd Bentley in 2000. Emma the angel who Bob Jones said started the Kansas City Movement/Toronto Blessing/Pensacola outpouring. Her name means “embracing everything”. Every religion. Every creed. Mormons, Catholics, Moslems, Protestants, Gay “Christians”.
Thus — the attack upon the Apostle Paul’s writings as the Word of God. If one can scissor Paul out of the Bible, you have a whole new group of “Gay Christians” that you can welcome into your “church”. Thus, the Mormon “prophet” that said the same God who wrote the Book of Mormon, the same Angel (demon) Moroni who brought it, is behind Rick Joyner’s THE FINAL QUEST. There are millions of Mormons now welcome into your Anti-Christ apostasy.
So what team is it that Joyner thinks true Christians are playing on in his coming Civil War in the Church in the Final Quest? Sounds like Satan’s own prophecy about the rift now of the Apostolic/Prophetic Kansas City Movement against people who know the word of God — even Charismatics who know and believe the Word of God over experience, signs and wonders and false prophecies of false prophets.
Finally, of course, Joyner, like Bill Hamon, mixes up Old Testament ideas and New Testament ideas — just like the Mormons do. The most terrible idea that Joseph Smith and Brigham Young had was that they could murder unbelievers in the name of Mormonism. (Their next Old Testament idea is of course, polygamy.) The Anti Christ will inspire his church to murder Christians, and believe they will be murdering people for Christ.
Rick Joyner is, to my knowledge, part owner of GODTV. @2008
The lack of concern for the scattered and slaughtered sheep of Lakeland on the part of the frauds who put him up to it - Joyner, Wagner, Bob Jones et all, I just cannot stomach. I have had to repent of advocating THE FINAL QUEST, too. There is a lot more scarier stuff than this going on with Mr. Joyner. I am sorry I was so dumb. Joyner called Bob Jones and Paul Cain the two end time "Witnesses" of the Bible, too. The list of apostasy is a mile long and growing on these NAR (New Apostolic Reformation) false prophets.
Pinged you Agirl, sorry it took so long to post stuff.
It’s kind of scary out there, isn’t it?
Yes. Stick close the Word is all I can say...
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I'm surprised that you didn't mention the two tests for false prophecy that God gives us in scripture. In Deuteronomy 13:1-5, Moses records the first of two tests to be applied to anyone who claims to be a prophet of God. In the first test, the prophet has managed to correctly foretell the future - and then proceeds to tell believers, in effect, that "since I'm right about the future, I must also be right about who God really is..."
13:1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,A second test is recorded by Moses in Deuteronomy 18:20-22. In this second test, the prophet is correct about who God is (i.e. passed the first test, above), but now has to pass a second test - accuracy in predicting the future...
13:2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
13:4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.
13:5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.
18:20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.In other words, a prophet who is truly hearing from God, will be correct in his/her prophecies fully 100% of the time, and will be in agreement with what prior prophets have announced re God's nature and character. Any less, and God assures us that "prophet" is false.
18:21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?
18:22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
The apostle John provides an update to Moses' first test - and a command to apply it - in 1 John 4:1-2:
4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.If I read your article correctly, Joyner fails all three tests.
4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God.
Thank you so much for the ping!
1 Then I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name.
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Muslim distribution
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Ten horns: See Psalm 83.
What is weird about it is that it is some familiar demonic spirit, that does “see” things on people, but causes people, as per Deut. 13., to bow down either to the prophets themselves or — more insidiously — to their “Promise In God.”
I.e. bowing down to your Promise in God and making it more important than God — loving the gift more than the Giver — is why Abraham had to take Isaac to the mountain and raise the knife to him.
But thank you again. Joyner enjoys such carte blanche amongst the charismatics that it is important to deconstruct his deceptions.
Thanks, E, for taking the time to deliver the Word.
Do you mind if I grab your post for future use?
It’s a definite keeper!
The thanks goes to those who gave their lives to make the True Word available to me!
One of the other most strange and cunning is the one where False prophets will steal the word from real prophets - I think it is in Jeremiah 20.
The NAR group that Joyner is involved with is so witched out at this point, this familiar spirit or spirit of false prophetic Jezebel (precursor to the Whore of Babylon) is what passes for God's prophetic word to these people.
This is why Joyner and his pals did not do the work of a prophet and see the sin on Todd Bentley at Lakeland, causing utter confusion, slaughter in the Spirit and most importantly and damaging... UNBELIEF.
Joyner is dangerous because of his teachings. So are Chuck Pierce and Bill Hamon. Very dangerous because most people don't put them to the test. I thank God that He opened my eyes.
Oh, and what is strange is the Muslim and Catholic (and Mormon) connection. All of these NAR prophets have glowing things to say about Muslims “being converted” especially as they preach in the UK and Indonesia.
They also believe they are the Joel 2 army without doing their homework on Joel 2’s “army”. The Joel 2 army is “sent by God” to persecute the saints at the End Times. In the same way that God promises to “send a delusion” it is the Deluded Anti Christ Army of Joel 2 that Joyner believes he is a part of.
(I have to agree with Mr. Joyner on that one!)
I'll try to find that link to the numerous Biblical tests for prophecy... i
We have family members caught up into this false doctrine. It is difficult to talk about these issues because they are totally brainwashed and start arguing about all the things Christianity has done wrong, the mainline churches have done wrong, etc. You cannot reason with them on even one issue. They start hurling all kinds of stuff at you...the purpose being to shut you up...as who can defend all that stuff? They don’t even eintend to give you a chance. We need to continue to pray that God will open their eyes before it is too late.
Shery, the bait that I believe Joyner uses is as old as the Bible:
these false prophets are pumping the egos of people with the idea that “Ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.”
In other words, this Joyner/NAR stuff (I have not gotten into this with Joyner as much as I have with Bill Hamon and C Peter Wagner) is that these are seductive, flattering prophetic words that promise “Dominion”.
Joyner and the NAR are Dominionists. They believe they are God’s special anointed and will physically manifest in a transfigured state as they take over governments and nations “for God”. They believe once they do this, Jesus will return. They really believe God is going to make them glorified in the body. This attacks all of us in our pride. It really is about thinking that we are “like gods” — it is a spiritual ambrosia to our sinful, ego driven flesh.
Don’t argue, intercede. But do warn them that this is the End Time Delusion and pray, like the priests in Joel 2, pray that God will Spare Faith in your family. I will pray for them, too.
1. Christianity may do things wrong, but this does not mean THE BIBLE is wrong. There is no excuse for these NAR liars to add to, or twist, or put up “New Revelation” to the sealed Word of God.
This is exactly the tact the Mormons took: the church is messed up, so we have to “restore” the “true” Christianity. Joyner and the NAR (and Mormons) have got to be kidding. The Bible needs NO restoration. The Bible just needs to be upheld and obeyed and lived. None of us can defend the body of Christ on the sin issue; but you can certainly defend the Gospel and the Word.
2. It is a brainwashing. A complete and utter brainwashing, along the lines of George Orwell's ANIMAL FARM. It is the End Time Delusion. Do not give up on them, I will pray and ask God to give you (you pray this, too?) to give you a strategy to help your loved ones “see” clearly. God Bless you for defending the Word, Shery. Also, watch out for the money angle. This is a big money making enterprise and hooks unsuspecting Christians into thinking they can command finances to themselves. The Lord requires us to come to Him with a pure heart: He will supply all our needs — but these guys want and preach Dominion.
P.S. Google this guy's prophecy on the NAR/Lakeland stuff called “The Specter of the Red”. Red means dull in terms of how we “see” in the Bible.
And it seems a lot of them post on FR supporting Mitt!
To me, it is obvious that we are now well into The Great Falling Away. Judging by my 58 years of experience it began with the Boomers parent’s generation. People began to stop going to church and daily conversation ceased to have much reference to God. My grandfather used to say ‘God willing’ after stating any kind of a declaration. You never hear that any more.
Then the false prophets began to arise. Now legion, they spew every kind of apostasy and call it christianity. At the same time every reference to God is systematically being removed from public life. And the minds of our children.
How many truly faithful are left? Are they ready to be the great witness for Christ in the Tribulation they are being called to be?
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