That said, I'm concerned about anyone who can watch this YouTube footage for nearly eight minutes before they begin to question whether Todd's experiences are "a Biblical Experience or an Occult Phenomenon".
Posted on 08/20/2008 8:40:23 AM PDT by e.Shubee
Hank Hanegraaff of the Christian Research Institute is on record at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqa5WqWwyW4 (1:33 to 2:26) saying that he is surprised that some Christians are vibrating in the spirit:
"Honestly, when I wrote that book [Counterfeit Revival] I never envisioned what would happen in the year 2008 with Todd Bentley who harks back to all those revival years as a basis for what's happening today. He is a continuation of "the counterfeit revival" but he has taken it to more bizarre and blasphemous [Hanegraaff pauses for lack of words?], an extent that I had [n]ever envisioned possible. He now is vibrating in the spirit."
To understand vibrating in the spirit, just google for the words, vibrate + spirit and see page after page on the sensation that Mediums experience when they psychically connect with their spirit guides.
Todd Bentley has another explanation for what causes him to vibrate in the excerpted video clip titled, The Three Ring Circus of Todd Bentley. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWX05-hCjuk at 7:40 to 8:38 minutes and 18:09 to 19:03 minutes. I still think that Mr. Bentley's testimony sounds like a demonic manifestation.
I've seen Todd Bentley on Pat Robertson's 700 Club and on other promotional videos by CBN and that organization, Charisma Magazine and other "Christian ministries" have positively endorsed Todd Bentley. See:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76WDKzS7Yog
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zV_Whu0kfTk
Who am I to believe? Should I trust Google, which is famous for having the corporate motto, "Don't be evil", or mainstream evangelicalism, which is infamous for defending George Bush and the Republicans?
So what exactly is your question?
My question: Is Vibrating in the spirit a Biblical Experience or an Occult Phenomenon?
Vibrating in the spirit, drunk in the spirit, whatever you call it, it’s the same junk pushed for about 100 years now by liberal religions in the name of pushing man’s evidence to show one has the Holy Spirit. If they would just believe the Bible and nothing but the Bible, such phony gimmicks would be cleared up for them. But they won’t, they like the money and power too much.
I understood you all the way to your last sentence, then I have to ask, huh? I don’t see what that has to do with the prior comments.
As for the foundational question of the thread, I guess it all goes to does it build God or distract from him. I’ve visited several churches that have these odd practices and I can honestly say, none of them felt like they where doing any of it for God. Not sure I would call it occult.
I'd chalk it up to entirely too many Red Bulls.
You seem to be trying to start an argument with a false assumption that “mainstream evangelism” (whatever that is) condones a practice that, in your opinion, resembles demonic possession. Furthermore, you try to link it to politics.
Just get your bible out and study it. Most of what is wrong in the religious world today comes from men trying to tamper with the simplicity of the gospel.
If something smells bad to you, don’t breathe it.
I’m a fundamental bible-thumper who considers myself an evangelical and who will vote for McCain in November. I don’t speak in tongues, quiver, shake, or call storms down on my enemies.
I do, however, live a quiet life in the Word (I Thess. 4:11).
Try it.
They will know you are Christians by your love..
“By their fruits you shall know them..”
What evidence is there that this “experience” leads to greater good for God’s Kingdom? That will answer your question. Is it producing faith and good works in those who have “vibrated in the spirit?” Without works their faith is dead.
Never heard of "vibrating in the Spirit"
Is it like a Shaker or Quaker?
Should I trust Google, which is famous for having the corporate motto, "Don't be evil", or mainstream evangelicalism, which is infamous for defending George Bush and the Republicans?
Uhhhh. Ummmmm.
Is Vibrating in the spirit a Biblical Experience or an Occult Phenomenon?
At best, a delusion or an indication that the meds meed adjusting. At worst occult.
or an Occult Phenomenon
Maybe, maybe not. Could be some folks that are way too excitable. Could be seizures. Or it could be the Red Bull, as put forth by Alex.
That said, I'm concerned about anyone who can watch this YouTube footage for nearly eight minutes before they begin to question whether Todd's experiences are "a Biblical Experience or an Occult Phenomenon".
Mainstream evangelicalism is that faction in the Christian Church that is known for wishing to exert their religious-political influence on unbelievers but are seemingly as quiet as church mice when it comes to possible spiritualistic manifestations in the church. So the only relevant question is, "Is vibrating in the spirit, as explained and seen in The Three Ring Circus of Todd Bentley, a Biblical experience or an occult phenomenon?"
Is it like a Shaker or Quaker?
It sounds exactly like the Shakers to me, from what I just finished reading. http://www.sacred-texts.com/utopia/csus/csus18.htm
Thus, it might be appropriate to ask if these two movements originated from the same spirit. What do you think?
“Shaker or Quaker?”
‘Cause the walls were shaking
The earth was quaking
My mind was aching
And we were making it and you -
AC/DC!
for Todd to suddenly point at someone in the crowd and yell "There! Evil, pure and simple, by way of the Eighth Dimension!"
Good thing when I read that that I was 1)hiding back in the "server nook" ant 2) not drinking anything.
YEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSS!!!!
(in best TV Evangelist voice)
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