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To: vladimir998
Christians were released from exclusively Jewish requirements: kosher laws for instance.

Kosher laws are not scriptural.

Also, in case you didn’t know - and apparently you don’t - Christians had ceased to celebrate most or all Jewish feast days before both Constantine and Augustine.

To some extent....you are correct. Those that continued to honor The Lord God and His Feast Days were persecuted....sometimes killed. Some small factions escaped the notice of Imperial Rome and continued with their observances though.

What you find is a rather clear sweeping away of Jewish requirements for Christians.

Chapters and verses....please? We'll take them one by one.

Again, in Acts, Jesus did away with Jewish requirements.

Chapter and verse, please?

Judaizers were doctrinally wrong and often mistakenly placed works righteousness (based on Mosaic law and Jewish practice) in the way of salvation by free grace.

Can you give me some specifics. Do not include Kosher as that is not scriptural. Everyone knows that.

No, those who disobediently maintained Judaizing practices were called what they were and no pagan beliefs were placed on them at all.

Well....I see much of the problem here is hatred of the Jews. Did you know that Our Lord, the Apostles and much of the First Century Church were Jewish? They still practiced their religion except for the sacrificial part that Our Lord had done away with. Did you know that multitudes of Jews were added daily to the Church shortly after Shavuot?

No. If it was Biblical someone orthodox over the last 2000 years would have said so. Instead, we only hear this from the fringes of modernist restorationist movements, Judaizing sects and assorted wackos.

You're not calling me a wacko....are you? Good!

Good for them. There’s no reason to observe things now made manifestly better in Christ’s Incarnation, Atonement and Resurrection.

Instead of platitudes I expected some scripture that would back up your assertions. Oh well..........maybe you'll respond with some.

48 posted on 08/19/2008 9:21:04 PM PDT by Diego1618
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To: Diego1618
Kosher laws are not scriptural.

Care to explain that sentence? Did they edit your Bible and remove huge chunks of Leviticus and Deuteronomy?

52 posted on 08/19/2008 9:27:06 PM PDT by Campion
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To: Diego1618

You wrote:

“Kosher laws are not scriptural.”

The Mosaic dietary laws most certainly were considered handed down by God in any case.

“To some extent....you are correct.”

No, to every extent.

“Those that continued to honor The Lord God and His Feast Days were persecuted....sometimes killed.”

No. By Augustine’s time there were no Christians of any notable size in population celebrating Jewish festivals.

“Some small factions escaped the notice of Imperial Rome and continued with their observances though.”

So you say. What proof do you have? Also, what proof do you have that these groups were not also heretical or schismatic?

“Chapters and verses....please? We’ll take them one by one.”

Acts. Read it.

“Chapter and verse, please?”

Acts. Read it. Read the whole book. You need it.

“Can you give me some specifics. Do not include Kosher as that is not scriptural. Everyone knows that.”

Jews considered Mosaic dietary laws to be from God. To deny that they were scriptural is simply a modernistic Judaizer tactic to avoid the obvious.

“Well....I see much of the problem here is hatred of the Jews.”

I have no hatred of the Jews, nor did I express any.

“Did you know that Our Lord, the Apostles and much of the First Century Church were Jewish?”

Duh! It amazes me how inept Judaizing polemics are. Did you honestly think that any Christian would not know that Jesus was Jewish?

“They still practiced their religion except for the sacrificial part that Our Lord had done away with. Did you know that multitudes of Jews were added daily to the Church shortly after Shavuot?”

Jews and increasingly Gentiles - and in time all of them were released from the requirements held by Jews.

“You’re not calling me a wacko....are you? Good!”

1) DOn’t assume the restorationist groups aren’t wacko. They tend to be. 2) All restorationist groups distort scripture and history to fit the past into their anachronistic understanding of things.

“Instead of platitudes I expected some scripture that would back up your assertions.”

I expect you to have common sense. Kosher laws no longer binding. Deal with that. Don’t dismiss it as not scriptural. The Jews knew what the kosher laws were - handed down from God.

“Oh well..........maybe you’ll respond with some.”

Maybe you’ll crack open Acts and read.


62 posted on 08/20/2008 4:46:57 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: Diego1618
Kosher laws are not scriptural.

Eating "unclean animals" is prohibited in Leviticus 11, as is eating the blood of an animal, as "the life is in the blood"; this chapter also contains as the prohibition against seafood that doesn't have fins and scales.

The prohibition against milk and meat together is based on the commandment not to boil a kid in its mother's milk (Ex 23:19); it was expanded by the rabbis to "build a fence around the Torah."

68 posted on 08/20/2008 8:24:31 AM PDT by maryz
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