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Leaders Commission Todd Bentley at ‘Lakeland Outpouring’ (CHARISMA MAGAZINE BARF ALERT)
Charisma magazine ^ | 6-24-08 | Paul Steven Ghiringhelli

Posted on 06/27/2008 12:30:58 PM PDT by Terriergal

Leaders Commission Todd Bentley at ‘Lakeland Outpouring’
The special service was billed by leaders as one of the greatest moments in revival history
 
Leaders Commission Todd Bentley at ‘Lakeland Outpouring’
[06.24.08] Canadian revivalist Todd Bentley, leader of the “Lakeland Outpouring,” was commissioned as an evangelist last night in a special ceremony in Lakeland, Fla., that was broadcast into millions of homes by God TV.
 
California pastors Ché Ahn and Bill Johnson, along with Canadian pastor John Arnott, laid hands on the 32-year-old Bentley while Peter Wagner, leader of the International Coalition of Apostles, read a statement about the need for apostolic alignment. Other prominent leaders from the apostolic and prophetic movements stood on the platform to show their support for Bentley and to endorse the revival, which began in early April and is now in its 83rd day of continuous meetings.
 
The ceremony, held in a 10,000-seat tent, took place after some charismatic leaders raised questions about Bentley’s claims, methods and theology. They asked Wagner to oversee a dialogue, and he responded by organizing Monday evening’s event so that Bentley could have more accountability—or what Wagner calls “apostolic alignment.”
 
“I believe last night was truly historic and a true sign of unity,” Bentley told Charisma today. “Many streams converged and I know last night’s commissioning will truly help bring God’s outpouring to a much larger part of the body.”
 
Participating leaders at the ceremony included Wagner; Ché Ahn, pastor of Harvest Rock Church in Pasadena, Calif.; John Arnott of Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship in Canada; Bill Johnson, pastor of Bethel Church in Redding, Calif.; and Rick Joyner, founder of MorningStar Ministries in Charlotte, N.C.
 
Wagner said to Bentley on the platform: “This commissioning represents a powerful spiritual transaction taking place in the invisible world. With this in mind, I take the apostolic authority that God has given me and I decree to Todd Bentley, your power will increase, your authority will increase, your favor will increase, your influence will increase, your revelation will increase.
 
“I also decree that a new supernatural strength will flow through this ministry. A new life force will penetrate this move of God. Government will be established to set things in their proper order. God will pour out a higher level of discernment to distinguish truth from error. New relationships will surface to open the gates to the future.”
 
In a newsletter released earlier this week, Bentley said Wagner was the one who suggested having an official ceremony in which Bentley could be commissioned.
 
“I am no church historian, but I do not know of any other time in history, since the book of Acts, have so many different apostles and so many different prophets and movements and leaders [been represented],” Bentley said of the capacity crowd. “This is so much bigger than [anything else] ever before. The devil is shaking in his boots because the apostles are gathering and the prophets are gathering.”
 
Though the outpouring has enjoyed mostly favorable publicity and is stirring excitement in charismatic congregations worldwide, it has also spawned a debate among leaders dialoguing behind closed doors. These backroom discussions over aspects of Bentley’s teachings were partly what prompted leaders to lay their hands on him last night.
 
Reportedly 214 nations could watch leaders take turns praying and prophesying over Bentley. It remains to be seen if the ceremony will persuade some still opposed to the meetings to abandon their objections.
 
Bentley has outgrown three venues in Lakeland since his April 2 visit to Ignited Church led to what he describes as an encounter with an angel in his hotel room the next day.
 
Critics complain that Bentley entertains extra-biblical practices and has devoted some of his past teachings to “third heaven” experiences and angelic encounters. They say it’s bizarre for him to claim he has met the apostle Paul and angels named “Winds of Change” and “Emma.” They also object to what they believe are exaggerated claims of healings and resurrections.
 
Bentley recently responded to critics in an open letter posted on his Web site called “Lifting Jesus High: Bringing biblical light to your questions about the Lakeland Outpouring and Todd Bentley”.
 
In the document, he said his supernatural experiences have always brought him closer to Jesus. He denied believing in female angels, stating that he didn’t understand why God chose an angel named Emma, other than that the angel had “mother-like nurturing qualities.”
 
Regarding his encounter with an angel called “Winds of Change,” Bentley said it shouldn’t come as a surprise to Christians that an angel with such a name could usher in a new move of God.
 
Leaders who have expressed private concerns about Bentley’s ministry turned down Charisma’s request for public comment.
 
To counter accusations that accounts of healing are embellished, Bentley declared last night that his team of interns is working 80 hours a week collecting medical records and other proof of healings so that the Lakeland Outpouring becomes “one of the most well-documented revivals in history.”
 
Those affiliated with Bentley’s Fresh Fire Ministries claim that he understands the meetings are much bigger than him. “This is not the Todd Bentley revival show,” a Fresh Fire spokesperson told Charisma.
 
Organizers said nightly meetings will continue in Lakeland indefinitely. Bentley also plans to travel to other U.S. cities for one- or two-night events. “Entire cities are about to come under the glory of God … I’m talking about in America!” Bentley shouted during last night’s meeting.
 
“I feel that what’s going to be released tonight is a city-taking, nation-taking anointing,” he continued. “We’re going to the cities, then the nations. My dream has never been for a mega-ministry, it has been for a movement. I want to be part of a movement.”
—Paul Steven Ghiringhelli


TOPICS: Apologetics; Charismatic Christian; Current Events; Ministry/Outreach
KEYWORDS: charismania; lakeland; revivalism; toddbentley
What a joke. I hope people will figure out Charisma magazine is just a junk rag fit for the trash heap now.
1 posted on 06/27/2008 12:31:02 PM PDT by Terriergal
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To: Terriergal

What are you talking about? Todd Bentley is real authentic and so is any magazine that reports on him.

How can you question a man who rode inside a pillar of fire to heaven, where he had surgery performed by angels?

C’mon!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMEKB2UUmac


2 posted on 06/27/2008 12:39:09 PM PDT by KentuckianaHeadhunter
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To: Terriergal
What a joke. I hope people will figure out Charisma magazine is just a junk rag fit for the trash heap now.

Do you know for a fact that God isn't behind this revival? We pray for revival daily, and when it breaks out, people want to stand in the way of His movement.

3 posted on 06/27/2008 12:41:26 PM PDT by NRA2BFree (If you need help, ask God. If you don*t, thank God!)
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To: NRA2BFree
This is so much bigger than [anything else] ever before

I don't know that much about this revival, but I know this statement took me back. The Apostle Paul boasted in his infirmities, not in his "superior" ministry.

4 posted on 06/27/2008 1:07:49 PM PDT by dawn53
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To: NRA2BFree

Yes.

When “leaders” of the “revival” tell someone not to pray as Arnott and Howard-Browne have done, that should throw up red flags for everyone involved. Sorry, God may move in individual lives but the revival as a whole is counterfeit.


5 posted on 06/27/2008 1:33:22 PM PDT by Blogger
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To: NRA2BFree

Sorry, but God isn’t the author of confusion. This is no different than the Toronto and Brownsville (Pensacola) movements where people acted like animals in the name of God. Pathetic.


6 posted on 06/27/2008 1:36:52 PM PDT by TommyDale (I) (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: NRA2BFree

Watch any or all of these videos and answer your own question.

Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMEKB2UUmac&feature=related

Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fliqcEqYUX0&feature=related

Part 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFQc1oCgajU&feature=related

Part 4:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_cTuIb5oNs&feature=related

Part 5:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUJAaThoH7w&feature=related

Part 6:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYiOL9_2Dz0&feature=related

Part 7:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PCd_FpN3Rw&feature=related

Part 8 (a look at pagan practice that looks like Lakeland):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUj70gUxFog&feature=user

Part 9:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrrIaHY7MCY&feature=related

Bonus material:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN5UXNmcdWA&feature=related

http://www.christianresearchservice.com/ToddBentleyVideoResearchPage.htm

http://www.christianresearchservice.com/ToddBentleyResearchPage.htm

http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/bentleyresponse.html

http://www.christianresearchservice.com/ToddBentley4.htm

No doubt, more to come! Bentley is productive.


7 posted on 06/27/2008 1:41:51 PM PDT by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: Terriergal

“... while Peter Wagner, leader of the International Coalition of Apostles....”

I see Wagner has dreamed up another self-exalting name for himself and his cronies. I’m just surprised he didn’t add “and Prophets” to the name of his coalition. What deluded frauds (or con men).


8 posted on 06/27/2008 1:48:29 PM PDT by Cecily
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To: NRA2BFree

Ishmael always comes before Isaac....wait for Isaac.

History records others who have spoken to angels and have mystical experiences, who felt that that their new revealed truths were going to take the world by storm....one such man was Mohammed, hence 22 per cent of the world lies under
Islam’s grip. Bentley uses similar language.

Christ is going to bodily rule the Earth and set up his kingdom in the new Jerusalem...”Hence you will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds in great glory...”

Paul’s truth’s were revealed to him(other than the Damascus) generally through the Holy Spirit, though he did mention a man being caught up to “third heaven” once where he heard words that were”not lawful for men to speak.

Paul never mentions angels visiting him to impart truth, it was by direct communications with Christ or by revelation of the spirit backed by corroboration with known accepted scripture at the time.

And this is the tricky part because I do believe that the outward works of the Holy spirit and miracles and other “giftings” were not just the 1st century. God even promised that in the latter days that he would pour out his spirit upon all flesh...

Yet we have a crafty enemy that knows the fallability of even God’s elect to seek after signs when the only genuine sign that Christ would show this generation was the sign of Jonah. There are many false Christs and some of them may even be empowered to perform lying wonders...

400 years into captivity, Satan knew that God had promised that Israel would be freed so he crafted the destruction of Israel’s first born through the pharoah’s...yet Moses was miraculously protected and even raised by the Egyptians who were other-wise sworn to kill his infant brethren...Oh the praise the mercy and wisdom of God! Satan knew that a move of God was a foot so he attempted to strangle this move in it’s “crib” so to speak...but failed! Satan may be attempting again in our time to cloud God’s genuine move of the spirit with his own lying counter moves!

A new move of God is afoot now that may ultimately lead to the empowerment of his people to bear up under adversity until Christ should come and set up his kingdom; until such time as the rapture or the great “catching away” and the ultimate tribulation on the Earth; at the end of which Christ shall reign in the New Jerusalem! When such a rapture should come has always been argued, but my main point is that at the end of it all, Christ reigns supreme!

Now I surmise Satan, knowing that his time is short is going to put his “magicians” out there to counter in the minds of the unsaved the true spiritual works of the Spirit filled... much like Pharoah’s magicians attempting to counter Moses and Aaron’s works. The results of course were disastrous for Pharoah.

Now I claim no special revelations, I just read the Bible and the same Satanic patterns are discernible through-out the history of God’s people and the world.

God’s 2 witnesses are coming as well as the rise of the 144,000 and the Devil knows it!
Elijah has come and again is coming; so said our Lord of John the Baptist and of the mightier works of the Spirit to come!


9 posted on 06/27/2008 1:49:12 PM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: mdmathis6

Spoken with the wisdom that comes from James 3.


10 posted on 06/27/2008 1:57:36 PM PDT by DarthVader (Liberal Democrats are the party of EVIL whose time of judgement has come.)
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To: Terriergal
Peter Wagner, leader of the International Coalition of Apostles...

The International Coalition of Apostles?

Sigh.

11 posted on 06/27/2008 2:04:24 PM PDT by Oliver Optic
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg

Todd Bentley glories in himself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRJX55HkY1k&feature=related

Todd claims to have a demon - a Christian CANNOT be possessed by a demon!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJKRczp2HN8&feature=related

Bentley’s strange doctrine:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqJaJzHdGaI&feature=related

False Christs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksvU311VL4w&feature=related

Bentley’s gobbledygook:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Vpre4pVGWs&feature=related

On fire?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwlRisYyGAI&feature=related

It’s beyond disgusting. How anyone - much less any Christian - could think this madness is of God strikes me as lunacy.


12 posted on 06/27/2008 2:19:04 PM PDT by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg
I've been researching him almost non-stop in the 3 days since first hearing his name.

I have come away with the sad belief from my discernment that he is demon-possessed, as well as a heavy, heavy burden for something with regard to this. I know not what the Lord has planned, but He has burdened me for a reason I know.

It doesn't really matter. God's way is the Best Way ANYway and I'll do as He asks.

After "discovering" TB this week, it was joyous when I discovered a minister via YouTube. And heard one of the greatest sermons of the modern age. Paul Washer's address to the Youth Conference. WOW.

13 posted on 06/27/2008 5:42:23 PM PDT by kimmie7 (<<<---- Too surly for the hoarde.)
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To: kimmie7

A good friend of mine who pastors a church in north Texas is a personal friend of Paul Washer. My grown son listens to Washer. That message was the first one I heard from Washer. Pow!

Check out this link for a message to the Southern Baptist of Texas in 2006, delivered with little notice. The speaker is one of the elders of a local church that I am desperately wanting to join - struggling with worldliness in my church and my desire to contend vs leave.

http://www.gracefamilybaptist.net/GFBC_/Podcast/Entries/2008/1/11_The_Centrality_of_the_Home.html

Check out this link for a video that gives Biblical instruction for discerning Truth from error:
http://pjmiller.wordpress.com/2008/06/26/false-prophets-and-the-conspiracy-of-silence/


14 posted on 06/27/2008 6:05:16 PM PDT by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg

Just to keep as much information as possible together:

More heresy and anti-Christ:
http://pjmiller.wordpress.com/2008/06/25/video-bentleys-knighting-commission/

Biblical encouragement:
http://pjmiller.wordpress.com/2008/06/25/get-away-from-their-altars/


15 posted on 06/27/2008 6:26:03 PM PDT by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: Terriergal

Those people do not want Christ. They do not want The Truth

People have not changed in 2008 years. They want to hear what makes them “feel good”. They want “spirit-y experiences” not truth.
That is why the phonies like Bentley,Osteen, Copeland, Hihn, Charisma, et al are so popular. Heck today’s pop-preachers can say ANYTHING mixed with bits of scripture and as long as it makes folks FEEL good they do not exmamine the message.
They are literally blinded to truth.Plus of course folks buy the books and send donations and attend “revivals” etc $$$

And boy do the pop-preachers and their followers get steamed if you tear at the seams of their message. They ALWAYS accuse their critics of being from Satan.


16 posted on 06/27/2008 6:43:37 PM PDT by biscuit jane
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To: biscuit jane

bentley: “...I want to be part of a movement.”

Mr. Bentley you are part of a movement... ;/


17 posted on 06/27/2008 6:48:37 PM PDT by biscuit jane
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg

We just left our church for the same reason. And joined a Grace church...wow! Authentic Biblical preaching of the Word as well as a Shepherd who takes his job seriously! We have since left the original church and are attending Grace regularly. As a result, our entire family’s spiritual walk has deepened (even my 9 year old son’s!) and we’re discovering such gems as John Macarthur, Piper and Washer. Like finally getting a drink of cold water after working in the fields all day!

Wonderful wonderful!


18 posted on 06/27/2008 7:05:31 PM PDT by kimmie7 (<<<---- Too surly for the hoarde.)
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To: biscuit jane

They have itchy ears. So very sad.


19 posted on 06/27/2008 7:07:00 PM PDT by kimmie7 (<<<---- Too surly for the hoarde.)
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To: NRA2BFree

It takes effort and courage watch and listen to these kinds of “preachers” objectively. They are very sly at getting folks to conform to their gospel and they try to intimidate, silence or marginalize those that question them.

It might be fun for you and your son to study/test the gospel of Bentley against The Gospel of Christ and see what you find.

Here are a couple of resources to assist in discernment-

equip.org
str.org
bible.org

Take care,
Jane


20 posted on 06/27/2008 7:07:43 PM PDT by biscuit jane
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg

The color analysis during those youtubes are equally as
wierd as the preacher.


21 posted on 06/27/2008 8:39:46 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

I do not share your opinion. I cannot think of ANYTHING as weird as Bentley and his messages.


22 posted on 06/27/2008 8:49:37 PM PDT by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: Terriergal
???


23 posted on 06/28/2008 3:03:34 AM PDT by iowamark
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To: NRA2BFree

Exactly. Christians stop revival faster than anyone else, sadly.


24 posted on 06/28/2008 6:58:55 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: iowamark

yup deceiving and being deceived.


25 posted on 06/28/2008 7:07:53 PM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: biscuit jane

Interesting... I just made an effort to get through someone’s posting of an entire sermon (well close to 50 minutes) of Todd’s, which was entitled “authentic gospel.”

IN it he did not explain the gospel. He explained what he thought the fruits of the gospel should be. And then he explained why he shouldn’t have to preach it — because everyone else is.

HUH?

I can count on one hand the number of churches that are preaching the gospel in my town (and frankly, I can do it without using any fingers!). I have to drive 25 miles to find one small pocket of believers who haven’t fallen for :

seeker sensitive, pragmatism, contemplative spirituality, word faith, prosperity gospel, the shepherding movement, super-separatist...

ALL of those are CORRUPTIONS of the gospel and I myself was very confused (having attended church all my life and only hearing the gospel in my HOME and in my VERY SMALL church during my teens... and now that I’m 38 I’ve been listening to real gospel preaching for about three years again... because I was in a church that preached AROUND the gospel for so long I didn’t know what was missing until I heard it again! (John Macarthur’s ASHAMED OF THE GOSPEL - great book!) And what POWER of GOD there is in that simple ‘foolish’ message — the very power of God that these people deny, all the while that they are saying we are the ones “denying the power thereof.”


26 posted on 06/28/2008 7:13:43 PM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: NRA2BFree; Marysecretary
Do you know for a fact that God isn't behind this revival? We pray for revival daily, and when it breaks out, people want to stand in the way of His movement.

because the gospel is not being preached. see my post just above this for explanation.

27 posted on 06/28/2008 7:15:03 PM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: dawn53
I don't know that much about this revival, but I know this statement took me back. The Apostle Paul boasted in his infirmities, not in his "superior" ministry.

YOu are so right. Paul also had visions and said it was not permissible for him to tell about them. But... Bentley must be more inspired than Paul, or his anointing is from a different spirit.

28 posted on 06/28/2008 7:16:46 PM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: mdmathis6
Now I claim no special revelations, I just read the Bible and the same Satanic patterns are discernible through-out the history of God’s people and the world.

I claim a special revelation. God came to me and assured me Bentley was not from him. But somehow these people don't believe me.

29 posted on 06/28/2008 7:18:49 PM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: Oliver Optic
Peter Wagner, leader of the International Coalition of Apostles... The International Coalition of Apostles?

Need I remind everyone that C Peter Wagner figured prominently into Rick Warren's philosophy too?

30 posted on 06/28/2008 7:20:10 PM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: kimmie7

Paul Washer is TRULY ANOINTED!


31 posted on 06/28/2008 7:21:06 PM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: biscuit jane
bentley: “...I want to be part of a movement.” Mr. Bentley you are part of a movement... ;/

LOL I wonder if anyone will get that one?

32 posted on 06/28/2008 7:21:55 PM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: kimmie7; Manfred the Wonder Dawg

Is it NOT amazing how when you get into a church that preaches the true power of God CHRIST the POWER OF GOD AND WISDOM of God, how the fruits just quietly begin to grow, the sins fall away, repentance is granted, forgiveness is obtained— and people are matured in Christ by knowing him through his all powerful WORD - the WORD is the ONLY way through which the Holy Spirit actually works!

and all this power of God is called ‘dead spirituality’ by those who prefer thrashing on the ground...

“having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof”


33 posted on 06/28/2008 7:24:40 PM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: kimmie7

After “discovering” TB this week, it was joyous when I discovered a minister via YouTube. And heard one of the greatest sermons of the modern age. Paul Washer’s address to the Youth Conference. WOW.

Amen! I found him on Godtube.com


34 posted on 06/28/2008 7:33:42 PM PDT by KentuckianaHeadhunter
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To: Terriergal

Thanks for posting. I’ll be reading this tomorrow. God Bless.


35 posted on 06/28/2008 9:53:41 PM PDT by 444Flyer (Marriage=One man+One woman! Vote to amend the California State Constitution this November.)
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To: Terriergal

P.S. Bentley is a kook and a deceiver.


36 posted on 06/28/2008 9:56:13 PM PDT by 444Flyer (Marriage=One man+One woman! Vote to amend the California State Constitution this November.)
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To: Terriergal

I had never heard of Bentley before but I compared some of the claims being made with scripture and with something my gut was telling me. In the end we have to be like the Bereans...to search scripture to see “if these things be true” to scripture. Even when “spirits” come to us to tell us things we have to apply the test given us in 1John 4
(and Jude has a few things to say as well).

I wasn’t sure if you were being serious or facetious in your posting, but it does seem like a lot of unorthodox error is being promulgated by these folks. It’s hard to see Christ for all the hocus pokus. I don’t want to deny any genuine miracles of God; that might put me in danger of “speaking a word against” the Holy Ghost.

God did state he would “pour out his spirit” on all flesh in the latter days though I don’t know that it was meant that all would be saved thru this. Judging from our increase in knowledge, I wonder if it it meant that all men would be raised to a certain level of awareness so that they would be without excuse should they deny Christ!

Certainly the Pentecost was not meant just for the 1st century and missionaries report miracles, even raisings of the dead from time to time. Missionaries are on the front lines where the spirit of God is most powerful.

Some tongue speakings seem to be gibberish, some can be translated and are found to be in known languages( though Paul mentions “tongues” of angels as well). When the tongues first fell upon the apostles they were known to be speaking of the glorious things of God to the various foriegners who observed them, who each heard in their own native languages.

Satan may be moving to smother a genuine move of God. Look at the lives of the quieter less flamboyant who seem to be on the fringes of these movements...the little old pious praying lady in the corner, the cheerful giver, the visitor to the imprisoned and the sick. Look for the weird odd sort of fellow who seems to have a correct answer for everything, whose solutions always seem to work but is otherwise generally ignored until he is needed...then he goes back to being ignored again(and he doesn’t mind it because he’s got his own groove going with Christ and doesn’t mind being the unsung hero). Look for the unflashy folks who have no great speaking ability or can’t strum a guitar with the Praise team, do they exhibit a strong sense of rationality and spiritual quietness, a maturity of character?

The Biblical pattern generally indicates that when God starts to move, it may start in a less than flashy way. Gideon the farm boy was threshing the wheat. David was the least of 7 brothers and a shepherd but he got the anointing. Jesus was born in a stable, but was literally God in Flesh! Watch for a quickening of the less flashy folks, like dry bones being given sinew, then flesh, then spiritual life and power to boldy proclaim the pure orthodoxy of the Christian faith! Not just signs and wonders, but the power of the Word proclaimed, even through the mouths of babes!

In our nation, there were several revival periods followed by times of great stress. The 1760’s came before the Revolution. The 1850’s were a time of great revival then came the Civil War. The Azuza street revivals and subsequent after events preceded the 1st world war. Perhaps the events aren’t all directly connected but what you see is a preparation of a people so that they can deal with the coming stressors. Joseph was spiritually equipped so that Egypt and the budding nation of Hebrews could be saved from the most devestating famine that would hit the whole world.

If God is going to move on his people to prep them as his most perfect bride, it’s to prep them as well for persecutions and for dealing with the various calamities about to befall mankind. Until the great “catching away” and the coming of Christ in great glory, we should pray to be given the ability to “stand, and above all to stand”!


37 posted on 06/29/2008 5:11:51 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: Terriergal

I was never sure about the terms Contemplative Spirituality since God desires an inward truthfulness and the courage to examine onself in the claity of his word...there is a fair amount of introspection and contemplation that goes along with that. One “works out ones salvation with fear and trembling” as the scripture states so I would gather that that sort of “contemplation” should be healthy for all of us from time to time.


38 posted on 06/29/2008 5:27:37 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: NRA2BFree
Do you know for a fact that God isn't behind this revival? We pray for revival daily, and when it breaks out, people want to stand in the way of His movement.

Some people here live to urinate all over anything anyone else does for God.

Anytime anyone does anything in any corner of the globe that makes any Christians happy, some here will attack it with lunatic ferocity and make themselves feel oh so spiritually superior.

39 posted on 06/29/2008 5:37:43 AM PDT by Skooz (Any nation that would elect Hillary Clinton as its president has forfeited its right to exist.)
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To: Terriergal

Honey - all of our stories are the same! It seems that every person I meet with doctrinally sound ideals is either searching for a church or has just found one after searching.

Our church was beloved to me, and it took a lot of prayer for my husband and I to leave. The two deciding factors were 1) our son - who was soaking everything in...of course including things with which we didn’t agree. He was simply too young to discern (he’s 9, was 8 at the time), and was getting caught up in emotionalism.

And 2) between the new(ish) pastor quoting from “Christian” psychologists, using The Message AS A TRANSLATION - then telling me to be more open minded when I called him on it and soooooo many other things heralding a willful disregard for sound doctrine. We left.

Our new church is doctrinally sound with a pastor who takes his shepherding duties (all of them, not just the buddy-style of the shepherding movement) seriously. We have since discovered great men of God like Washer, Piper and MacArthur in whose expository teachings I am currently reveling. Funny, I’d never heard of them before leaving our other church. I had heard lots of Osteen, Warren and the like though. I even heard Hinn mentioned once - granted from a fellow parishioner, but one whom was held in a place of honor as a woman of God.

< sigh >

I feel so helpless.


40 posted on 06/29/2008 6:54:19 AM PDT by kimmie7 (<<<---- Too surly for the hoarde.)
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To: mdmathis6; All

My big question for folks who hesitate to (I’m not going to say JUDGE, I’m going to say discern. There is a difference. One is done in the flesh, the other in the spirit.) Christ himself told us to test the spirits, saying that many would come in HIS NAME.

I have watched the videos of Bentley. Not just those from critics, but those “official” videos. And I have a hard time believing that he is acting in the way of Christ. I just can’t imaging Christ rolling on the ground, shaking his head and babbling like an idiot. Sounds more like the possessed man He encountered and HEALED by driving “Legion” out and into the pigs.

Not only that, but angels are not to be worshipped. They have specific purposes as outlined by scripture.

This teaching is all extra-Biblical. Of course, if you don’t want to listen to any of this, and say that it is a new revelation...there is that pesky little scripture about not adding to or removing anything from God’s gospel. Not one jot nor tittle. And then there’s a pretty severe punishment for doing that.

We’re so hesitant to “judge” this “revival” — I ask: “Would you not lovingly correct your child if you saw them in sin?” Or would that be JUDGING them?

(BTW, I’m posting on less than 1/2 cup of coffee, so be kind! LOL)


41 posted on 06/29/2008 7:05:19 AM PDT by kimmie7 (<<<---- Too surly for the hoarde.)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg
I do not share your opinion. I cannot think of ANYTHING as weird as Bentley and his messages.

Nothing more entertaining that Christians trying to out Christian each other.

42 posted on 06/29/2008 8:35:43 AM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: kimmie7; Terriergal; Manfred the Wonder Dawg

“Honey - all of our stories are the same! It seems that every person I meet with doctrinally sound ideals is either searching for a church or has just found one after searching...”

Sigh. Very true. I have a friend who goes to a church and they were visited by an affiliate church’s pastor who has been to Florida 3 times already. His wife visited my friend’s woman’s Bible study and prayer meeting and started laughing uncontrollably saying that God was moving on the meeting. It was out of order and the focus was no longer on prayer and God’s word. My friend was so distracted and appalled she didn’t know what to say. I’m sending her these articles in hopes they will help her to share the truth or she may be looking elsewhere too.
(Thanks again for posting this Terriergal.)


43 posted on 06/29/2008 4:22:51 PM PDT by 444Flyer (Marriage=One man+One woman! Vote to amend the California State Constitution this November.)
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To: 444Flyer

*sigh*

I’ve had to start turning the volume down when/if I watch more of their antics. I really started feeling spiritual oppression. After pryaer, I knew I needed to NOT hear much of what he says.


44 posted on 06/29/2008 6:04:08 PM PDT by kimmie7 (<<<---- Too surly for the hoarde.)
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To: Terriergal

Ha ha. Ya similar situation here. Even my beloved peers have itching ears and they’ve all bee belivers far longer than I !


45 posted on 06/30/2008 9:19:11 PM PDT by biscuit jane
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To: Terriergal

“Release your own magic!” Check out “Matrix Energetics” - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h0ZRFPfxSs It’s the secret behind Todd Bentley’s spiritual shenanigans. Even pagans can be used by demonic spirits.


46 posted on 07/01/2008 7:31:50 AM PDT by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: mdmathis6

Here’s a good source of information on contemplative spiritual practices and the inherent dangers there with: http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/cp.htm


47 posted on 07/01/2008 8:05:18 AM PDT by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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