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Restoring the Ancient Church. Apostasy and Restoration, Part 2
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| Barry Robert Bickmore
Posted on 05/04/2008 3:42:40 PM PDT by sevenbak
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This is PART 2 of many on this subject, restoring the ancient Church. Look for more to come.
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posted on
05/04/2008 3:42:41 PM PDT
by
sevenbak
To: sevenbak
I love how all the splinter denominations [and sects, out of deference to the present company] are always yapping about "the New Testament church" and getting back to the roots and all. Then they slander Catholicism.
Cognitive-disonnance-alert.
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posted on
05/04/2008 3:48:28 PM PDT
by
the invisib1e hand
(what is it you hope to find here?)
To: the invisib1e hand
What an insulting bigoted post.
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posted on
05/04/2008 3:52:27 PM PDT
by
DManA
To: DManA
What an insulting bigoted post.Yeah, and I'm a racist 'cause I don't trust Barack Obama!
Thanks for proving my point.
My sympathies.
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posted on
05/04/2008 3:56:01 PM PDT
by
the invisib1e hand
(what is it you hope to find here?)
To: sevenbak
bump for when I have a spare hour to read these.
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posted on
05/04/2008 3:57:57 PM PDT
by
mnehring
To: the invisib1e hand
Thanks for putting an exclamation point on my post.
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posted on
05/04/2008 3:59:41 PM PDT
by
DManA
To: the invisib1e hand
Good point. I’m not Catholic, but I do see your point. I think there may be a line with tradition and theology with all churches. IMHO, some of these ‘splinter’ churches are trying to rediscover a closer theology (albeit most still leave out Christianity’s Jewish heritage) but they leave out tradition. I believe the latter is very important because we learn much from tradition. Just something for me to chew on more later.
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posted on
05/04/2008 4:00:53 PM PDT
by
mnehring
To: sevenbak
Look for more to come. Will they be as long as this one?
Because you could restore three or four ancient churches in the time it takes to read all that.
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posted on
05/04/2008 4:10:57 PM PDT
by
humblegunner
(Che is Gay)
To: sevenbak
dange dude. would be a faster read if we just ordered the book. lol.
To: sevenbak
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posted on
05/04/2008 5:02:12 PM PDT
by
big'ol_freeper
("Preach the Gospel always, and when necessary use words". ~ St. Francis of Assisi)
To: sevenbak
On would think restoring something would requires an understanding of it as a prerequisit.
Consider the following statement as an example:
“Furthermore, Paul insisted that the organization set up by Christ, headed by Apostles and prophets, should remain essentially unchanged.” Then Eph. 4:11-14 is quoted.
Here the writer attempts to turn the descriptive term, “apostolous” into a title of by capitalizing it when the Greek does not anymore than disciple was “Disciple”.
Eph. 4:11-14 doesn’t speak of “Apostles” but of “apostles”, meaning simply a person sent forth or a representitive and it is in this sense that Paul used the term in Phil. 2:25, “apostolon”. This is usually translated as “envoy”, “messenger” or something similar indicating one sent out. Hence Paul was an apostle of Christ but not one of the twelve nor was he a replacement for any of the twelve. Other men could be called apostles as Barnabas was at Acts 14:4. Sent forth but not part of a line of “Apostles”.
That others besides the twelve Jesus chose were termed apostles is not evidence that a line or office of “Apostle” was established.
The writer needs to examine the Scriptures a bit more, I think, on this point.
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posted on
05/04/2008 5:06:18 PM PDT
by
count-your-change
(you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
To: big'ol_freeper
I vote Pope. At least he’s a Trinitarian Christian.
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posted on
05/04/2008 5:23:10 PM PDT
by
DManA
To: big'ol_freeper
Thanks for the link, and I love the tagline quote!
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posted on
05/04/2008 6:38:31 PM PDT
by
TheDon
To: TheDon
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posted on
05/04/2008 6:44:06 PM PDT
by
big'ol_freeper
("Preach the Gospel always, and when necessary use words". ~ St. Francis of Assisi)
To: DManA
here's some more: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Most computers come with them nowadays.
To: sevenbak
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posted on
05/04/2008 7:00:45 PM PDT
by
LiteKeeper
(Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
To: sevenbak
No need to restore the ancient Church; Jesus has already done just that go to a full apostolic pentecostal church. The kind that believes the Bible 100%.
That believes that there is a holiness standard and is practiced by the saints of the church.
That believes in healing and laying on of hands.
It is very simple if you would like a vision of the beginning church just read Acts it is all there.
Satan the father of all lies likes to mimic God and make a mockery of his work that is why there are so many denominations.
Proverbs 14:
12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
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posted on
05/04/2008 8:46:54 PM PDT
by
1Truthseeker
(willfully ignorant in Greek means dumb on purpose.)
To: 1Truthseeker
No need to restore the ancient Church; Jesus has already done just that
.... ....
Click the image.
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posted on
05/05/2008 12:53:43 PM PDT
by
greyfoxx39
(FLDS.... making babies with children because their God wants earthly bodies for spirit babies.)
To: sevenbak; Admin Moderator
Why is this in the News forum? It is taken from an LDS apologetics site.
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posted on
05/05/2008 1:09:57 PM PDT
by
greyfoxx39
(FLDS.... making babies with children because their God wants earthly bodies for spirit babies.)
To: greyfoxx39; Admin Moderator
I posted this specifically to the religion forum. Perhaps your searches for all things Mormon brought it up.
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posted on
05/05/2008 1:16:18 PM PDT
by
sevenbak
(1 Corinthians 2:14)
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