Posted on 04/28/2008 1:39:13 PM PDT by NYer
It is rare that I find good news in the The Tablet (aka the bitter pill). They do however try to make the worst of a a good situation.
The Tablet reports that Peruvian Cardinal Cardinal Luis Cipriani Thorne has banned communion in the hand in his diocese.
[Cue sinister music] Opus Dei Cardinal Juan Luis Cipriani Thorne told Petrus: "I maintain that the best way to administer Communion is on the tongue, so much so that in my diocese I have forbidden the host in the hand."[/Cue sinister music]Thanks to the Tablet for including an anonymous quote from a missionary priest that the surrounding dioceses would not go for this. Who cares?!? The Cardinal, apparently unlike the anonymous priest, has the courage of his convictions.
The cardinal, who is Archbishop of Lima and a member of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, said that "the relaxed attitude of many priests" was to blame for a decline in reverence for the Eucharist among the faithful. "In Masses with great attendance, in the past we even found hosts thrown on to the pavement of the church," he added.
A missionary priest working in Lima told The Tablet the ban "would only apply to his jurisdiction of the Archdiocese of Lima". "The remainder of the dioceses around Lima would not go for such a practice," he said.
did Christ place the bread directly into the mouths of the Apostles?
Very rare to find anything good in the Pilot.
I used to read it on occasion because Richard “Tricky Dick” Lennon now of the Cleveland Diocese was a devotee and I used to get a copy on occasion from him.
They had a meal. It was nothing like Communion done today.
“the relaxed attitude of many priests” was to blame for a decline in reverence for the Eucharist among the faithful.”
The relaxed attitude of many priests and ministers is to blame for many problems as Christian churches loose membership while the Islamic menace grows.
He broke the bread, and gave it to His disciples. Don’t think He placed it on their tongues. I believe if Christ only wanted it to be given on the tongue, Christ would have made a point to do this, and either made a statement about doing it that way, or that it would be explicitly recorded as having been done this way. In short, I believe God was more concerned with what this does, and the attitude of the person about what this does for them, rather than whether you put the wafer in your mouth or your pastor does.
I hope so too! I was wondering, btw, if the "missionary priest" was an American, since there are a fair number of them in Peru, many of them leftist types who go there not to preach the Gospel but to condescend to the natives with a little social work. It sounds like something an American liberal would say.
Can we say "papabile"?
Maybe that's why The Tablet is ticked off about what's happening far off, high in the Andes. Perhaps they're a little twitchy that this man could be a future Pope.
In addition, much of what Christ said and did is not recorded in Scripture as St. John told us.
"But there are also many other things which Jesus did; which, if they were written every one, the world itself, I think, would not be able to contain the books that should be written." John 21:25
Excellent answer.
Darn, I was so hoping it was my Diocese.
The bishop is right, of course (unless the communicant is a deacon, priest, bishop or the Emperor).
If the manner of receiving were known with certainty from the Early Church, that would have been dogmatic and the Church today would not be in a position to legislate on it.
As it is, we don’t really know. Whether leavened or unleavened bread was used is another such thing that is left to the episcopacy to define.
Here's the Vatican's biographical profile on him.
CIPRIANI THORNE Card. Juan Luis
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| Cardinal Juan Luis Cipriani Thorne, Archbishop of Lima and Primate of Peru, was born on 28 December 1943 in Lima. A champion basketball player, he studied industrial engineering at the National Institute of Engineering and joined Opus Dei in 1962. After working as an engineer, he was ordained for the Prelature on 21 August 1977 and holds a doctorate in theology from the University of Navarre. He did pastoral work in Lima and taught moral theology at the Pontifical Faculty of Theology. He was later Regional Vicar for Peru and Vice-Chancellor of the University of Piura. On 23 May 1988 he was appointed titular Bishop of Turuzi and Auxiliary of Ayacucho, receiving episcopal ordination on 3 July. He was promoted to Archbishop of Ayacucho on 13 May 1995. He tried to negotiate a peaceful resolution to the siege of the Japanese ambassador's residence in Lima (December 1996 to April 1997) and ministered to the Japanese and Peruvian hostages. He was named Archbishop of Lima on 9 January 1999. Created and proclaimed Cardinal by John Paul II in the Consistory of 21 February 2001, of the Title of S. Camillo de Lellis (St. Camillus de Lellis). Member of:
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I’m convinced I got oral herpes from a communion cup, only the one outbreak, fortunately. Now I take communion in the hand only, unless I’m at the front of the line, and I really don’t want it on the tongue. (Yes I know the priest doesn’t touch the tongue, but the communicants haven’t had as much practice.) As other posters have said, Jesus put the bread in his disciple’s hands.
When I was in college, the Paulist father encouraged communion by intincture.
Now, that's a good question.
I don't think that sacred moment of the meal was considered the "meal".
I’ll second that.
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