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Pope Set to Make Mark on U.S. Church
Guardian Unlimited ^ | April 12, 2007 | ERIC GORSKI (AP Religion Writer)

Posted on 04/13/2007 6:54:57 AM PDT by Frank Sheed

Two years into his reign, Pope Benedict XVI is finally poised to make a major mark on American Catholicism with a string of key bishop appointments and important decisions about the future of U.S. seminaries and bishops' involvement in politics.

Benedict's election on April 19, 2005, shook liberals and comforted conservatives who expected a doctrinal hard-liner. So far, they have found an easier hand - and someone who has not made the United States much of a priority.

When Benedict has gained attention, it has mostly been on the world stage, focusing on the re-Christianization of Europe, Islam and mending relations with Orthodox Christians. He also has stressed universal themes of faith and reason.

``The last two years have been much quieter years as far as the papacy is concerned because you have a very different personality'' than John Paul II, said Monsignor Robert Wister, chairman of the church history department at Seton Hall University's School of Theology.

``Many Americans were surprised - some happily, some disappointed - that he did not turn into the pit bull of dogma. He is taking a very pastoral approach, and I think people resonate very positively with that.''

Yet America's turn may be coming. At the top of the list is a looming generational shift among the nation's bishops, whose decisions at the local level greatly affect Catholics in the pews and can carry national weight. For instance, church leaders recently closed parishes in Boston and New York, while the St. Louis archbishop has clashed with a heavily Polish parish over control of its assets.

Key appointments are expected in New York, Baltimore and Detroit, where cardinals have reached retirement age - 75. And retirements or appointments are likely in at least seven other archdioceses...

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To: AnAmericanMother

You mean by the fact that he was perceived as a jiggalo?he married a much older woman. He was among the last generations of Jews who assimilated by being baptized. Marx was another. Emancipation came in the 1830s.


101 posted on 04/13/2007 3:39:19 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: RobbyS
No the impression I get from reading contemporaries is that he was considered too "exotic" to be really English. Not homosexual (the language has really gotten away from us these days) but too epicene, too finicky in his manners, too elaborate in his dress. He also was considered too corrupt and cynically political. Tony Trollope, who absolutely loathed Disraeli, satirized him as Mr. Daubeny, and issued this blast in his posthumous autobiography:
the glory has been the glory of pasteboard, and the wealth has been a wealth of tinsel. The wit has been the wit of hairdressers, and the enterprise has been the enterprise of mountebanks. An audacious conjurer has generally been his hero,--some youth who, by wonderful cleverness, can obtain success by every intrigue that comes to his hand. Through it all there is a feeling of stage properties, a smell of hair-oil, an aspect of buhl, a remembrance of tailors, and that pricking of the conscience which must be the general accompaniment of paste diamonds. .

But Trollope never said a word about Disraeli's wife.

102 posted on 04/13/2007 3:49:11 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: GovernmentShrinker
The Catholic Church believes in the principle of subsidiarity. A Google search will reveal more on this as published by the Acton Institute. The link above is directly to the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Frankly, it doesn't matter what you think. In Truth, God comes before governments; they derive their legitimacy from God which is why kings ruled by the Divine Right of Kings. The founding documents of the United States acknowledge this fact as well.

Declaration of Independence:

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the Powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, having its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. Such has been the patient suffrance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

103 posted on 04/13/2007 4:22:42 PM PDT by Frank Sheed (Dead Ráibéad)
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To: AnAmericanMother

On the other hand, maybe an Englishman of an earlier day, like Beau Brummel. Wilberforce and his friends managed to start a revolution in manners. Wilberforce still caught heck for his remarks about Caroline, but twenty ears later England was already in the Victorian “mode.”


104 posted on 04/13/2007 5:00:33 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: RobbyS
Oh, no, Brummel was never overdone. He was one of the first to declare that true elegance consisted of subdued but perfect dress and deportment.

It was the wannabes that overdid it . . .


105 posted on 04/13/2007 5:18:54 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Frank Sheed

How about a pre-1962 Mass in every city of 50,000 people in America for starters? I’d even go with a 1962 Mass — and if even mentions the Motu Proprio I just might let out a banshee of a scream. First, let it be promulgated if it is ever going to happen. Then promote Cardinal Mahony to the Atlas Mountains in Algeria. Then do a de-Bugninizing of the Novus Ordo... Then...


107 posted on 04/13/2007 7:03:55 PM PDT by Siobhan (Putting human genes into animals and plants will result in our nations being destroyed by God.)
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To: Siobhan; sandyeggo; Tax-chick; ArrogantBustard; sitetest; AnAmericanMother

I risk the wrath of Arrogant Bustard and Sitetest let alone Mrs. Tax-Chick. The (latest) rumor is that the Motu Proprio will come down between April 16th (Pope Benedict’s birthday) to May 5th (the Feast of St. Pius Vth). More and more speculation centers on those dates.

The rumors also say that it will enable a Tridentine Mass where 30 PARISHIONERS demand the Mass. The Pastor must thenceforth make some kind of accommodation.

The FSSP is also offering concentrated one-week training sessions for priests to say the Tridentine Mass in Nebraska. The first session offered for this June is booked solid.

The Vatican reports that “Pian Missals (1962)” are being reprinted by a number of sources in anticipation of the event.

Yesterday, I watched this film:

http://dailymotion.alice.it/video/x1o9as_la-metamorphose-dun-autel

showing how a Novus Ordo altar could be totally converted into a Tridentine High Altar in only 15 minutes (the film has been speeded up to 5 minutes). It is quite ingenious.

In all, if Providence allows, there will be “weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth” in many liberal quarters soon enough!

F


108 posted on 04/13/2007 7:23:08 PM PDT by Frank Sheed (Dead Ráibéad)
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To: Frank Sheed
That is SO awesome!

How beautiful the High Altar is, and how nice to see all those nice young men (with I think one Altar Guild lady - that's plenty).

110 posted on 04/13/2007 7:33:03 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: AnAmericanMother

There were questions about whether the Blessed Sacrament was in the tabernacle at the time. However, anyone that ingenious is not going to profane the Eucharist.

I was taking measurements for my Parish. We have a central tabernacle which is rare around here. However, necessity is the “Mother” of invention, Mother!

;-o)


111 posted on 04/13/2007 7:36:20 PM PDT by Frank Sheed (Dead Ráibéad)
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To: Frank Sheed
Probably since they hadn't had the Mass yet and had to move the Tabernacle, it was empty and they were reverencing the altar.

Our parish of course has the freestanding altar, although it's a nice one to an antique design. All it would need is the frontal, and it could be easily placed against the back wall (which has a handsome rood screen with a niche that could accommodate the Tabernacle with only slight modification - in fact I bet if I measured it it would fit exactly) and an altar rail could be added with a minimum of fuss. The rest is all quite moveable and do-able.


112 posted on 04/13/2007 7:42:41 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: AnAmericanMother; sandyeggo; Campion

This is perfect! Plenty of room! They could do wonders with that altar!

Check this out, Mother. Bozo alert:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1817119/posts?page=9#9


113 posted on 04/13/2007 7:46:52 PM PDT by Frank Sheed (Dead Ráibéad)
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To: netmilsmom

Some westside Cleveland friends of my parents requested that we have a Latim Mass at the historic St. Stephen’s Parish. The Pastor was on board and a Benedictine monk agreed to celebrate the Traditioanl Latin Mass.

Bishop Lennon vetoed the idea saying it was “too divisive.” I guess this was no surprise to those who knew him in Boston. We prayed for a long time for Bishop Pilla to be replaced and then we got more of the same.

Kinda disappointing.

Nothing has changed here except the fact that Bishop Lennon is getting ready to close lots of parishes...Pilla always hated conflict and put this off.


116 posted on 04/13/2007 8:44:11 PM PDT by Cleveland Clopas
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To: AnAmericanMother
it [freestanding altar] could be easily placed against the back wall

If it is made of marble, it won't be that easy to move - it probably weighs several hundred pounds. Is it made from several pieces?

117 posted on 04/13/2007 8:50:59 PM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: AnAmericanMother

I underestimated the weight of the altar. On the parish Web site tour, it says the altar weighs 4.5 tons (9,000 lbs.). However, it did answer my question about the altar being shipped from Italy in separate pieces and being assembled on site.


118 posted on 04/13/2007 8:59:29 PM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: tioga

“The rochester diocese is firmly entrenched in the liberal agenda religion. It will take a while to filter down to me if there is a change in the wind. And our bishop was a very young man when appointed...”

very eager to see what happens with Clark’s retirement, and the reaction to the new bishop by the St. Bernard’s crowd.


119 posted on 04/13/2007 9:04:37 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: dangus

“Well, it is a fairly small diocese, but if I had to presume there’d be a new one, it’s not a bad guess. Dallas, a much larger diocese (oddly), is under it.”

Wow! my Diocese of Fort Worth(400,000) is almost as big. I assumed that San Antonio(660,000+) would have a huge Catholic population. That is strange Dangus and here I was wondering why Dallas(1,000,000) and Fort Worth hadn’t been combined into an Archdiocese.


120 posted on 04/14/2007 2:41:07 AM PDT by neb52
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