Posted on 07/28/2006 5:30:29 PM PDT by Pyro7480
BTTT
Yes, you are.
No, I'm not...... infinity.
Yes, we "folks" are doing something about it. So why don't you mind the business of scandals within the Protestant churches and leave us to handle our own? We don't need your guidance in Catholic Church matters.
You're a Baptist and that makes you a Protestant. Deny it all you want, but what are doing right now? Protesting against the Catholic Church. That's kind of like a fun Baptist thing to do.
Where have you been? Haven't you watched the Protestantist debate me, too? I'm not a Baptist. I'm a Sabbatarian Christian. We worship pre-Nicene council style.
Yes, we "folks" are doing something about it.
what would the "it" be?
So why don't you mind the business of scandals within the Protestant churches and leave us to handle our own? We don't need your guidance in Catholic Church matters.
Read the rest of my posts. I am just absolutely dismayed at this attitude. These filthy, corrupt men walk among us in our country and we are supposed to shut up because we don't profess Catholicism? I suppose we don't have standing to criticize homocide bombers because we aren't Muslim, too? You guys better get a handle on your church before some hot-headed Protestant AG busts out the RICO statute.
Right.. you worship pre-Nicene style, uh-huh! Are you a Seventh Day Adventist or a non-denominational Sabbatarian?
what would the "it" be?
They are working on it through many efforts. There are lay people, myself included, who will report anything we consider out of line. There are many priests who were not guilty of this crime and to lump all of our clergy as "filthy, corrupt men" is unfair.
Read the rest of my posts. I am just absolutely dismayed at this attitude. These filthy, corrupt men walk among us in our country and we are supposed to shut up because we don't profess Catholicism?
That's not what I said. You made the absolutely false, unsubstantiated, claim that we aren't doing anything about it. I said that we are and that you should worry about your own affairs, not ours. After all, these men weren't in your church, they are in OUR church. Is that clearer?
I suppose we don't have standing to criticize homocide bombers because we aren't Muslim, too?
Again you are taking this to another level that wasn't at issue. What was at issue is what I stated above.
You guys better get a handle on your church before some hot-headed Protestant AG busts out the RICO statute.
That would be a joke considering how many Pentecostal preachers i.e., Benny Hinn needs it busted out on them, LOL!
Since you missed it:Lori has faced criticism for his handling of the scandal, especially when it emerged that another priest and the church bookkeeper hired a private investigator to look into Fay. The pair said they hired the investigator in May after they met with Lori and Fay was not removed, according to the report.
Report all you want, it looks like it will get "handled".
There are many priests who were not guilty of this crime and to lump all of our clergy as "filthy, corrupt men" is unfair.
I'm not saying all of them are filthy men. It's just that when the filthy ones are discovered, the Catholic church is slower than the UN at "handling" it. Remember, Cardinal Law got a PROMOTION after he was exposed!
I said that we are and that you should worry about your own affairs, not ours. After all, these men weren't in your church, they are in OUR church. Is that clearer?
These men live in the US, break US law, and I have no standing to criticise? I suppose I have no cause to complain about illegal immigration because I left California, huh? At any rate, I have a number of family still in the Catholic church who donate and have kids in Catechism. Am I not allowed to worry about my neices and nephews? Can I get approval at least for that?
That would be a joke considering how many Pentecostal preachers i.e., Benny Hinn needs it busted out on them, LOL!
There you go again with the deflecting. What does Benny Hinn have to do with a queer priest embezzling over a million from a church going bankrupt paying the legal fees and awards from dozens of sexual molestation suits? That is a completely Catholic problem and it seems to be worsening.
Oh yeah, I remember now. You are Church of God from Kansas City. I repeat, you are a Protestant. Your church was started in 1866:
Could you please stick to the topic? If you want to debate the Church of God, ping DouglasKC. He will hook you up. I worship with a group of independent people that used to be in the World Wide Church of God. We aren't affiliated with any larger church and everyone likes it that way. I will be happy to discuss me with you on freepmail, unless you post a Vanity entitled "just what does kerryusama04 believe". I'm sure that one will draw at least 4 hits.
Please do not use potty language or references to potty language on the Religion Forum.
Here's #1.....3 more to go!
Actually, you're off by a few years. The Church of God is Biblical as it originated in the New Testament. Since it preceded the Universal (Catholic) church, it can hardly be considered a protest movement. If the truth were known the Vatican and its agents are the real dissenters.
You'll find the Church of God mentioned specifically twelve times in scripture. You'll not find the universal church mentioned once.
Acts 20:28...I Corinthians 1:2...I Corinthians 1:2...I Corinthians 11:16...I Corinthians 11:22...I Corinthians 1...5:9...II Corinthians 1:1...Galatians 1:13...I Timothy 3:5...I Timothy 3:15...I Thessalonians 2:14...II Thessalonians 1:4.
Only once in the New Testament is the Church referred to as The Church of Christ and that is in Romans 16:16....and in the plural! It is never referred to as the "Universal or the Catholic" church.
John 17:. Jesus prayed that the father would keep his people in his own name. His name is God!
The link you provided belongs to another Apostate organization....just using the real name!
Yes, worse than Stravinsky. Who would've thought it could get worse?
Please, no I'm not. I used their own website that shows their history and they stated 1886. The Church of God doesn't resemble the Church as it originated in the NT, IMO.
One such example is this:
"Divine healing is provided for all in the atonement."
God heals whom He wills to heal and others He may not heal. I feel that it is leading people down the wrong path to tell them a lie like this. I've seen it make people lose their faith in God when they don't get healed or have heard stories where church members would blame the victims of sickness for not getting better. Laying heavy burdens on their souls by telling them that they must have some unaccounted for sin in their life that God is punishing them for.
Teaching that speaking in tongues is the initial evidence of baptism in the Holy Spirit. The Apostles never taught that. They taught exactly the opposite. That some had the gift of tongues, others did not. See 1 Corinthians 12.
I especially love this one:
So likewise you, except you utter by the tongue plain speech, how shall it be known what is said ? For you shall be speaking into the air.1 Cor.14:9
I watch some of these TV churches where they are doing tongues and it sounds like a bunch of gibberish. Like St. Paul said, they are speaking into the air.
What are tongues really for anyway? Accordint to St. Paul:
Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to believers, but to unbelievers; but prophecies not to unbelievers, but to believers.
If everybody in the whole place is doing it what happens?
If therefore the whole church come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in unlearned persons or infidels, will they not say that you are mad ?
Yeah, frankly, even to the learned, that's how it looks.
Speaking in tongues actually means speaking in someone else's language. From Thayer's and Strong's Greek:
Strong’s Definition: “glossa”, pronounced “gloce'-sah” Of uncertain affinity; the tongue; by implication a language (specifically one naturally unacquired): - tongue.
Thayer Definition: “glossa” 1) The tongue, a member of the body, an organ of speech. 2) A tongue. 1a) the language or dialect used by a particular people distinct from that of other nations.
The purpose of tongues is clear in Acts 2:7-12
And they were all amazed, and wondered, saying: Behold, are not all these, that speak, Galileans?
And how have we heard, every man our own tongue wherein we were born?
Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and inhabitants of Mesopotamia, Judea, and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia,,/p>
Phrygia, and Pamphylia, Egypt, and the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome,
Jews also, and proselytes, Cretes, and Arabians: we have heard them speak in our own tongues the wonderful works of God.
In my opinion, this is what the gift of tongues is all about. It was to spread the gospel. For anyone to tell you that you aren't baptized in the Holy Spirit because you don't speak in tongues is telling you a falsehood and they certainly aren't following the early Church.
Spare me your false accusations of deflecting. It's not deflecting. You said some irate AG preacher may pull out the RICO statute on the Catholic Church. I simply said if that's the case, they better pull it out on their own embezzlers and charlatans that are fleecing the flock of God! Hey, perhaps this AG preacher ought to make his first stop at TBN! Paul Crouch has a former employee that alleges they had a homosexual affair going, but I don't see any of you Pentecostals demanding he resign from the airwaves.In fact, he's still on the air and people just keep pouring money into that station.
Completely Catholic problem? Right,sure! There are no closet or openly homosexual preachers in the Protestant churches right? There are no child molesters in Protestant churches right?
Wrong. You have them in yours too.
People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
There are certainly problems in other churches, but the Catholic church holds the world record. I am incredibly dismayed at how many righteous prominent Catholics there are, most with law degrees, and no desire to fix their church. Roberts, Alito, Scalia, Napoletano, Hannity, O'Reilly, Coulter, come to mind. Why won't they won't lift a finger to end the corruption in their church? I am starting to turn a deaf ear to their politics because of this double standard.
I liken the situation in the Catholic church to when an inner city Pastor gets busted for something egregious and the congregation holds candle light vigils in his honor saying, "he's a good man" and such. The difference comes, however, when the guy gets convicted and the candle light vigils end. The Catholics just won't blow out the candles.
If you guys don't fix your church in a hurry, the government is going to have to do it for you.
I believe this is the first time I have ever agreed with one of your statements! In my post #73 to you...I made this comment;The link you provided belongs to another Apostate organization....just using the real name.
I glad we have found common ground. This organization, like the outfit in Rome, worships on Sunday and does not celebrate the Festivals of God [Leviticus 23]. They "do" use the correct name, although.....but they are still apostate.
I loved your posting of the man beating the dead horse....by the way. It was hilarious (on another thread).
I meant to respond to that when you originally said you thought it was funny. I'm glad you found humor in it as I thought some levity was called for at that point. Well.. gotta run. My wife is calling me for dinner.
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