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For example: "Christians who actually believe that God made the heavens and the earth and all that in them is in 6 days."

So you don't believe that? Did not God write these words with his own hand upon the stone tablets:

Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. (Exodus 20:8-11 KJV)

You want to deny what the Lord himself wrote? And you claim that I am the one who does not believe the bible? That is what the Bible says. Simply put, do you believe it? If not then who is the bible believer and who is the bible denier?

No, they believe in a watered-down Bible, misconstrued and force-fitted onto personal beliefs that have no basis in reality. When people like them destory the credibility of the Bible by their misbelief, they need corrected.

The credibility of the Bible is not dependent upon people believing it. The Bible is credible because it is the word of God. I expect people to find reasons not to believe it. It is in the nature of man to disbelieve the Bible. Nobody is going to perish because Ken Ham believes in a literal 6 day creation. God himself said he did it in 6 days. Who are you to argue with Him?

Or maybe try studying the Bible on your own instead of having other people do it for you.

You are the one who needs to have ancillary materials to prove your point. I just quoted scripture. Scripture says God did it in 6 days. I don't need Ken Ham to tell me that. It was written by the hand of God. You are the one who needs people to tell you that the Lord didn't really mean it when he said he did it.

As far as the flood goes, again you are relying upon ancillary documents and evidence to prove your point. The Bible is quite clear that all mountains that were under the heavens were covered and that all flesh that was under the heavens was destroyed. Now if you can find me a spot on the earth that is not under the heavens, then I'll admit that perhaps that particular area was not covered by the flood.

Go ahead and keep on turning people away from the Bible.

I just direct them to it. It is God's job to make them believe it. Or have you decided that God needs your help for that one too? If someone has a heart for God, they will believe the Bible. If they don't, they'll look for excuses to deny it's truth.

"For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. (Exodus 20:8-11 KJV) "

Sorry, but this classic "proof-texting" doesn't work, here's why:

Exodus 20:11 is often held up as undeniable proof of 24-hour creation days. If that is true, what of Leviticus 25:1-4, which uses the creation week pattern in terms of years? Apparently the creation week is used as a pattern of “one out of seven” in both cases, not a real-time reference. A similar type of pattern is the eight day “Feast of the Tabernacles” in Leviticus 23:33-36. It celebrated God’s protection in the desert that lasted forty years — obviously eight days is not a one-to-one correlation with forty years. Moses authored both of these verses, which adds further strength to this conclusion.

"As far as the flood goes, again you are relying upon ancillary documents and evidence to prove your point."

No, I'm relying on the original Hebrew texts. How is that ancillary? They seem to be the original source to me.

There's a difference between quoting scripture and reading what it actually states.

Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. (Exodus 20:8-11 KJV)

I have always understood that the Bible is the inspired Word of God, as recorded by Man. It is prone to mistakes, since Man is inherently imperfect. Maybe it was slightly altered to fit Man's understanding of the World at the time. The Holy Spirit still flowed through the writers, in order for them to be inspired to record the Lord’s message, but it isn’t necessarily word-for-word the honest, literal Truth of what happened.

IMHO.

The line or reasoning used by the anti-literalists on this thread is hauntingly familiar. It is the same line of reasoning used by "modernist" and "progressive" scholars of a generation or two previous.

These are the folks who claimed that God didn't part the Red Sea - that it was actually just a thin creek at the time of the Israelite's crossing.

These are the folks who claimed that that Jesus didn't miraculously divide the loaves and fished - that he just started the group sharing and people fell in with the spirit of giving and offered up their own meals hidden in there robes and bags.

These are the folks who claimed that these and a hundred other "miracles" in the Bible would present an insurmountable stumbling block to the "modern" anti-supernatural mindset of the day and needed to be removed or radically reinterpreted so as not to present an offense.

Many of these scholars and teachers did what they did in good faith, believing that their effort was an attempt to "protect" the Bible from the forces of ignorance that would bring it's central message into ill-repute. But one only need look at the fruit of the Biblical Modernists and other similar movements to see that this methodology leads, slowly and inexorably to unbelief, apostasy and moral darkness.

To many of the "opponents" on this thread - I appeal to you to take your stand on the Word of God, even if it is unfashionable or anti-intellectual. The Almighty has shown, many times, down through history that He is strong enough to preserve it, and the one who trusts in His Word will not be put to shame.

"You want to deny what the Lord himself wrote? And you claim that I am the one who does not believe the bible? That is what the Bible says. Simply put, do you believe it? If not then who is the bible believer and who is the bible denier?"

Well said. Growing up, I was told a time was coming when people would not believe the Bible, but believe things that made them feel better. That time is here. These verses are confirmed in this thread...

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

And...

Jhn 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.

Jhn 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Moses write Exodus which you posted? These people who wish to cling to a worldly acceptable flood view have itchy ears and don't believe Moses's writings. So as Jesus himself said, how can they believe Jesus' words?

The Bible (from Genesis to Revelation) is the record of God. If we don't believe God's record, we are calling Him a liar.

1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him (God) a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

I find it amazing that those who cling to the Bible are actually hated openly, now. Liberal Christians who want to meld Evolutionary origins to the Bible and "conservatives" who want Christian views out of "their" party are two of the most common I have been reading of, as late, here on FR. This is reflected in these verses...

Jhn 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before [it hated] you.

Jhn 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

Sincerely