Vatican change of heart over 'barbaric' Crusades

UK Times online ^ | March 20, 2006 | Richard Owen

[Torie]

Keyboard warrioring against Muslims is sort of like moths to light. It is an irresistible attraction.

[Uncle Miltie]

How old was Mary at the "immaculate" conception?

At the risk of offending my Christian friends, we Jews have a hard time understanding how a Jewish Husband and Wife failed to complete their marital responsibilities and consummate the marriage.

Y'all are welcome to your version of events, just unnerstand that it don't make no sense among the Yiddishers.

[ChessExpert]

Muslims fought for war booty also - equal shares. But Mohamed said Allah revealed to him that he should receive 20%. Islam allows three options for infidels: conversion, subservience, and death. Those are our choices, unless we find some other. Radical Islam has been in remission in recent centuries. I think things really turned around with Carter favoring the radical Ayatollah Khomeini over the pro-American and pro-Western Shah of Iran. The rest is history.

[Publius6961]

So much for the asinine approach of "if we're nice to them they will join the 21st century".

Savages, inferior two-legged animals are not moved by the usual passions of civilized humans.

Enough said.
Yes, specially the children!

[Torie]

Yes, the virulent strain has a high morbidity to it, and must be resisted, and challenged - intelligently.

[Publius6961]

Good. PJPII meant well, but I think he was mistaken in this policy.

Judging by results, PJPII was an idiot.
And yes, I still consider myself Catholic.

[Uncle Miltie]

"Keyboard warrioring against Muslims is sort of like moths to light. It is an irresistible attraction."

Quite right. This is froth. Real work too happens, and I'm happy to be involved in that.

[Torie]

Religion is about leaps of faith. Don't Jews indulge in some of those, or is it a 100% rational, empirically verifiable enterprise? The key when it comes to the public square, is whether the leaps of faith serve man well, or poorly, while on this mortal coil. That at least is the perspective of this near atheist.

[Publius6961]

It would be odd and counterproductive if the Catholic Church chose to refight the merits of the crusades. It simply does not translate well into the modern age, and it's irrelevant.

To some, who don't have the grasp of history.
Fortunately, a view embraced by fewer and fewer civilized humans, as they educate themselves.

[Publius6961]

How old was Mary at the "immaculate" conception?

Abysmal ignorance, is its own reward...
Welcome to the adult forum...

[Uncle Miltie]

Fair enough. Looking from the outside in, and looking from the perspective of Jews who's responsibilities are known, that's a leap others can make, which we will view askance.

Enjoy. I'm not here to question others' faith. As represented elsewhere in this forum, I'm interested in who is killing us now, and Christians are good friends.

[Publius6961]

Keyboard warrioring against Muslims is sort of like moths to light. It is an irresistible attraction.

As is delusional megalomania...

[vox_freedom]

Remember Lepanto!!

Battle of Lepanto wikipedia link

All of Europe and the world can thank the Catholic Church and personally Pope Pius V for saving them from the grip of Islamic rule since 1571. Not said in the above article is how St. Pope Pius V was divinely inspired in urging/using the Rosary to beseech our Blessed Mother which resulted in the battle's victory.

The Rosary defeated the Muslims at Lepanto
Read it, and become informed about how True Faith defeated the enemy.

[Sweetjustusnow]

Yes, "the virulent strain" has a high morbidity to it, and must be resisted, and challenged - intelligently.

There's a strain that is virulent? Where is it?

[MarMema]

They also sacrificed the lives of thousands of Jews.

And many Orthodox Christians.

[Sweetjustusnow]

That should have read; Not virulent.

[madison10]

How old was Mary at the "immaculate" conception?

Ummm...zero. Mary was the one conceived, not Christ.

[F.J. Mitchell]

Excuse me,but To the best of my memory from history lessons, the crusades were launched in self defence against the Islamic barbarians who had overan much of europe.

[Torie]

It is concentrated in the minds of certain Muslim men, who feel trapped by their own impotence, and imprisoned mentally by an inadequate eduction, that is unduly focused on a triumphalist and pugilistic interpretation of the the Koran, often from Mullahs financed by Saudi Arabia. Being urban and ungainful in meaningful economically productive activity is a facilitative condition, but not a necessary one.