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Church Digs Mel Gibson's $5 Million
Religion News ^ | Feb 13th, 2006

Posted on 02/13/2006 9:09:11 AM PST by laney

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To: laney

Plainly put, if the chair of Peter is vacant, then Jesus is a liar and the Church has indeed fallen before the gates of hell.

The problem is, Mel doesn't have the guts to call himself the Protestant that he is. I hope he comes to his senses, but history is littered with heretics; this one just gets good box office compared to the gnostics.


21 posted on 02/13/2006 10:56:13 AM PST by Rutles4Ever
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To: Salvation

"This church is not recognized by the Archdiocese of Los Angeles. Does that anwer your question?"

Considering the beliefs and liturgy which the Archdiocese of Los Angeles does recognize and practice, not to be recognized by this wacko Archdiocese might be a good thing.


22 posted on 02/13/2006 11:02:57 AM PST by rogator
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To: rogator

I agree fully with you!!!!!

I would be running to Mel's church if I lived in the LA area.

Also, I had heard that during the filming of The Passion, Mel had an FSSP Priest saying Mass every morning. If he asked the Archdiocese to give an FSSP Priest for this chapel, can anyone imagine WHAT they would say? Um, I don't think it would be yes.

Anyone remember what Mother Angelica had to say about the good Cardinal out there?

I think that before we just generally slam Mel, we need to do some research and wait to see what this compound becomes.

Hey, if Tom Monaghan can try for the Ave Maria Community, why not Mel?


23 posted on 02/13/2006 11:17:20 AM PST by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: laney
Holy Family’s religious leader is named on a Web site for independent Catholic churches in California as the Most Reverend Tourkom Saraydarian , who lists his own religious affiliation as the Aquarian Education Group

Huh? That doesn't sound like a Catholic affiliation to me, not even a schismatic SSPX kind of group. Sounds more new age.

24 posted on 02/13/2006 11:44:31 AM PST by sassbox
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To: sassbox
Here it also says he is affiliated with the Mexican National Catholic Church. Elsewhere it says the MNCC is in communion with Rome. Who knows.
25 posted on 02/13/2006 12:17:11 PM PST by Jaded (The truth shall set you free, but lying to yourself turns you French.)
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To: Salvation
This church is not recognized by the Archdiocese of Los Angeles. Does that anwer your question?

Yes, but they may at least pray for Cardinal Mahoney's conversion to Catholicism.

26 posted on 02/13/2006 12:19:52 PM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: right-wingin_It
This story is written by Roger Friedman, FoxNews. I don't understand what the bid deal is though. Why the bias from Friedman, right down to griping about how little tax revenue it would generate? It's a church, should it be paying more than other churches do in taxes?? Sure, it's newsworthy that Mel is building it, but why wouldn't a chapel being built for a private community, be PRIVATE?!

Duh! Read the story. Its all about the Jews and the Holocaust. You know, such central components of the Catholic Faith, right?

27 posted on 02/13/2006 12:21:30 PM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: laney
Writer Christopher Noxon revealed that the church was for Gibson and fellow parishioners who subscribed to 16th century Catholic values, and did not agree with Vatican rulings of 1965 that, among other things, absolved Jews of Christ’s death.

I don't think so.

For you, brethren, are become followers of the churches of God which are in Judea, in Christ Jesus: for you also have suffered the same things from your own coutrymen, even as they have from the Jews, Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and the prophets, and have persecuted us, and please not God, and are adversaries to all men; Prohibiting us to speak to the Gentiles, that they may be saved, to fill up their sins always: for the wrath of God is come upon them to the end. (1 Thessalonians 2.14-16)

How could Vatican II possibly deny that? And it doesn't.

... the Jewish authorities and those who followed their lead pressed for the death of Christ ... (Nostra Aetate, 4)

But there are plenty of so-called Catholics who do, including leading heirarchs who acted much more like heresiarchs, such as Cardinal Bernardin, who advocated expurgating the New Testament of anti-Jewish references.

28 posted on 02/13/2006 12:30:17 PM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: laney
There aren't any lakes like that in the Malibu hills. There are a few smaller lakes (Malibou, Sherwood, Century) along Malibu creek but nothing like that photo.

Besides, the link says "Castaic" which is an hour's drive north.

29 posted on 02/13/2006 12:53:11 PM PST by Rytwyng ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche......"Oh, yeah? Wait 3 days!!!" -- God)
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To: laney
A more recent article, in the Pittsburgh Tribune Review, revealed that Gibson is planning to fund a church similar to Holy Family in Mt. Pleasant Township, Pa., called St. Michael the Archangel.

For those of you unwilling to trust the judgment of LA's bishop, the group Gibson is planning to build a church for here in PA is considered illicit by the Diocese of Greensburg, where it resides.

Greensburg is far from LA. We kneel for the Consecration and after Communion and generally follow the rubrics, apart from the armies of Extraordinary Ministers of Communion.

SD

30 posted on 02/13/2006 12:55:58 PM PST by SoothingDave
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To: Hermann the Cherusker

So much for "fair and balanced"


31 posted on 02/13/2006 12:57:02 PM PST by right-wingin_It
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To: Rudi08
What is Rome's position regarding those who reject Vatican II? >>

they are not part of the universal catholic church and can be excommunicated. There are some bishop-approved Tridentine (Latin pre vatican II) rite parishes around, Gibson's are not one of them since he is building churches and hiring his own priests w/o the approval of the local bishop who represents the pope. One of the 3 reasons why i never saw the passion of Christ movie.
32 posted on 02/13/2006 1:25:49 PM PST by Coleus (IMHO, The IVF procedure is immoral & kills many embryos/children and should be outlawed)
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To: laney

This article wanders all over the place, such that I'm not really sure what the point is/was...

About APOCALYPTO, Gibson's film approaching release, he's said that the film isn't religious in nature but is "a love story" set amidst an ancient time past.

Yet this article suggests otherwise.

And, the mention of taxes and investments and such...this article seems not so much religious as it is petty.


33 posted on 02/13/2006 6:18:08 PM PST by MillerCreek
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To: laney

Ah, now that I see that the article is written by Roger Friedman, I understand it's pettiness. Friedman is a sad person and I'll never understand why FOX has sold itself and readers so far short by continuing to print Friedman's malintended pieces. Unfortunately, Friedman's animosity for Gibson (and Gibson's dad) is the only characteristic that's making any point here.

I think that comment by Gibson to Noonan is understandable, certainly accurate...and that you have to be really, really wanting to find something boogery about Gibson to force a misunderstanding about that comment. Friedman might just as well have titled this piece, "Jew hater." Friedman's not Orthodox so perhaps that includes Friedman, too.


34 posted on 02/13/2006 6:25:12 PM PST by MillerCreek
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To: SoothingDave

Greensburg and Altoona are just as unorthodox as Los Angeles.

You should read the criticisms made by your local Byzantine and Ukranian priests about their Latin brothers in those dioceses.

The armies of EM's are one of the biggest abuses out there.


35 posted on 02/13/2006 7:12:30 PM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Hermann the Cherusker

That would be good.


36 posted on 02/13/2006 7:37:19 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Jaded

Interesting connections there.

Reminds me of a saying in the Bible"

"Beware of false>......................."


37 posted on 02/13/2006 7:39:38 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: laney
the rock store in on mulholland, right after the turnoff to troutdale. Going northwest, it is just around the bend from the old aquarian educational group building, that is at the end of the winding driveway.

Been there, done that.

38 posted on 02/13/2006 7:41:14 PM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: rogator

Regardless of Mahoney, this church is not aligned with Rome.


39 posted on 02/13/2006 7:42:15 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Jaded; Maximus_Ridiculousness

ooops. delete the word 'not' in the last sentence


40 posted on 02/13/2006 8:10:23 PM PST by Jaded (The truth shall set you free, but lying to yourself turns you French.)
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