Ex-priest speaks on McCarrick, homosexuality

The "vast" majority of Catholics continue to vote for the likes of Ted Kennedy and John Kerry, and share with them the values of the "sexual revolution." But beyond that Catholics who are members of the elite were and are sympathetic to the gay-lebian movement. They, like their fellows at the country club, continue to deny the pathological side of homosexuality. They continue to patronize, prefer liberal priests and wink at their "indiscretions." They oppose celibacy because they are convinced that it is an impossible ideal. They think that traditional Christian sexual is outdated. They are convinced that these predators were "driven" to their deeds by an impossible situation. So if you want to damn the bishops, go ahead. so do I, but I damn them for wanting to be part of the elite in our society and being slavishly compliant with the spirit of the times. Nothing new in all this. Remember the ancient saying that the road to hell is paved with the skulls of bishops?

The church, from the top, was molesting priests and kids. At the very top they were hiding it and abetting it. Cardinal Law and others were acting like madams in a whore house.

Just because this guy left a pervert order pretending to be a church, does not mean he left Jesus - which is the true head of all Christians. Any authority figure in the church protecting or practicing perversion have nothing to do with representing Jesus nor can they claim his authority. Sometimes you can not participate in - or prop up something evil/criminal and then call yourself innocent. Judging this priest is not wise because he may have felt he had to leave the church in order not to prop up the corruption.

I am a Catholic and I think Jesus has a lot to do with exposing and trashing the whore house order of the church. I think the knee jerk reaction of Catholics who, in the habit of blind obedience, try and rationalize or condemn those who speak out is a big part of the problem. There may be some false accusers - but the track record of the church does not lend itself to kneejerk obedience and defense when it comes to exposure of sexual molestion and perversion. That is my opinion.

The church, from the top, was molesting priests and kids. At the very top they were hiding it and abetting it. Cardinal Law and others were acting like madams in a whore house.
Just because this guy left a pervert order pretending to be a church, does not mean he left Jesus - which is the true head of all Christians. Any authority figure in the church protecting or practicing perversion have nothing to do with representing Jesus nor can they claim his authority. Sometimes you can not participate in - or prop up something evil/criminal and then call yourself innocent. Judging this priest is not wise because he may have felt he had to leave the church in order not to prop up the corruption.
I am a Catholic and I think Jesus has a lot to do with exposing and trashing the whore house order of the church. I think the knee jerk reaction of Catholics who, in the habit of blind obedience, try and rationalize or condemn those who speak out is a big part of the problem. There may be some false accusers - but the track record of the church does not lend itself to kneejerk obedience and defense when it comes to exposure of sexual molestion and perversion. That is my opinion.

GG: With all due respect I think your reading of the priest/abuse scandal is completely wrong.

1. There was pederasty, mostly (which you may look up in the dictionary, if you choose, as it is NOT the same as pedophilia).

2. The pederasty was confined to America during a finite period of some years, from the 70's-90's. It wasn't world-wide nor long lasting, if you look at the Church history of 2000 years.

3. At the beginning of the expose the American Catholic Church was trying to "help" these men with the misguided belief that pederasty was able to be helped with psychological counseling. We all know now that "counseling" does little or no good for sex offenders.
The Catholic Church handled it as best it could but they would never be good enough for those who loathe and despise the Church (and there are many, especially in the MSM and Sleazywood) and/or never bothered to actually read the numbers of men involved versus the percentage of molesters actually existing in the world. Most sexual abuse is from family/friends/married/heterosexual men.

I have seen hyperbole in my life but the screeds against the Church were (and still are) simply amazing. So much of it is based on such misinformation, incomplete information and a sensationalism that is so....Democrat, left-wing, moveon.org and Kenndy-like.

4. The "top" was neither hiding nor abetting it. Pope John-Paul's actions cannot be called aiding and abetting, though you apparently choose to believe that he was acting like a madam in a whorehouse, as Cardinal Law in enforced by the Head of the Church. Your smear goes right to him.
Seminaries have changed and are now facing the harsher taskmaster of the PanzerPope. God bless him. John Paul was always too nice.

5. "Blind obedience"
I was as shocked and appalled at the pederasty and I was angry at the individual priests who desecrated their role as Christians. There was no "blind obedience" from me or ANY Catholics I knew; they were as outraged as I was. Perhaps the Catholics you know are different.

6. Rationalizing
NO ONE I knew or read about tried to defend those clergy and NO ONE attempted to rationalize their behavior....and NO ONE was condemned who spoke out against them. The parish priests I listened to were shocked, angred and saddened -- consistently, thoroughly and relentlessy.

7. A big part of the problem.
That would be the media who loathes the Catholic Church and fundamentalist Christians....and people who decided that the Church, in total, was wrong in what it did. Mind you, all most people KNEW of "what the Church did" was what they read in the anti-Church media. If most people only decided from that source, then their ignorance is understandable.

8. Your hatred of your own Catholic Church is an emtional one that clearly shows what kind of very narrow reading on the matter....that is, not much beyond the screaming rags that call themselves our "elite" media.
I would have thought that most Catholics would have been reading ALL sides over the past three decades and would have, at least BY NOW, have put the whole picture together.

Just because this guy left a pervert order pretending to be a church, does not mean he left Jesus - which is the true head of all Christians. Any authority figure in the church protecting or practicing perversion have nothing to do with representing Jesus nor can they claim his authority. Sometimes you can not participate in - or prop up something evil/criminal and then call yourself innocent. Judging this priest is not wise because he may have felt he had to leave the church in order not to prop up the corruption.
During my five years of seminary training and five years of priesthood, I was confronted with many instances of homosexuality. It disillusioned me and led to my leaving the priesthood and eroding my faith in the Church. Now married with three children, I find it extremely difficult to have respect for a Church hierarchy that elevated McCarrick to the level of cardinal. The Church knew of his activities; I have no doubt about that.

1. I never said that the priest left Jesus.
a. Please do not put words into my mouth.
b. Please take the time to actually read what I wrote, not what you THINK I wrote.

2. This priest DID leave his Church because he was disillusioned with what he saw.
"Disillusioned" ?? Excuse me? He leaves the faith of his fathers, the core religion of his soul because he is "disillusioned"??
That's a HUGE leap....especially when he had the calling, the wonderful vocation to be a priest.
He was put off this wonderful, blessed calling from God because of homosexuality in the order? Please...if he were to be turned from THAT, what would he have done when confronted later in his priestly duties by people and priests who stole, embezzled or did even worst things?

3. I STILL think that if his faith had been strong, he wouldn't have thrown the baby out with the bath water. He probably never really had the calling and really couldn't face life without sex and marriage. This "disillusionment" was his way out of what he really didn't want to do.
A person with a REAL vocation isn't so easily put off....especially by the behavior of other people. In his life, in the confessional, a priest must hear ALL KINDS OF HEINOUS crimes and sins. Homosexuality in the priesthood is small potatoes compared to the barbaric, sadistic, cruel behavior of humanity to humanity.

4. I am judging THIS priest as harshly as YOU are judging the ENTIRE Catholic Church. Lol. I doubt you see the contradiction and irony in your statements.

yeah, but...and but...it's the media's fault, you hate your own church...because I can't take the truth and keep my faith...I have to make a bunch of excuses...because I am an emotional basket case...It can not be as bad as it is...everyone is lying and hating...no one should ever leave the church even if you have to bed the Bishop!!!!
Is that what you meant?

Yep.
Otherwise, any time any priest sees ANYTHING wrong going on in the clergy, he has the excuse to bail.
Harhar, there wouldn't be ANY priests left. They are merely men, as well, and HIS standard is that "Oh my goodness, a wicked bishop, homosexual priests!!! The sky is falling!!! Time for me to run away! Oh my goodness, BISHOPS AND PRIESTS WHO AREN'T PERFECT!!! Oh no, what am I doing here?!"

Was he ever in the wrong profession! And he was going to be hearing confessions. He couldn't have handled that either....too much evil in the world. DUH! What did he expect?
The more I think this through, the worse this guy seems. Now, I'm beginning to think that he is really a moron. He expected purity and perfection from his fellow priests? Geez, that shows how immature and ignorant he was of human nature.

You would have it that the ENTIRE church has gone down the drain. Shows how little you know of human nature.
If you were a Catholic in Martin Luther's day, you definitely would have left the Church and become a Lutheran.
Why leave AN ENTIRE INSTITUTION (one, supposedly, that you love) because some of its people are rotten? You sound just like the Sleazywood actors who would LEAVE OUR COUNTRY because someone they didn't like became president.

The Catholic Church has weathered far greater scandals that this. If you don't know that, then go back and read about the Protestant Reformation, the Medici family, etc.
Remember, Jesus made Judas a bishop of the Church.

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