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Six Questions for Jews--From Christians
First Things ^ | 1/'06 | David Klinghoffer

Posted on 01/23/2006 1:14:05 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator

These are troubled times for Jewish-Christian relations. In November, two of the most influential American Jewish leaders, representing large swaths of the Jewish community, gave major speeches vilifying politically conservative Christians. As an Orthodox Jew who has long worked with Evangelicals, Catholics, and other serious Christians, I would like to propose an ameliorative measure aimed at furthering inter-religious peace and friendship: Let every Christian gently ask a Jewish friend for a moment of his time. Tell him you’ve been following the news about some of the statements issuing from Jewish organizations in regard to conservative Christians. Tell him you’re confused and concerned. In a spirit of affection and respect, ask your friend if he would be willing to answer six simple but puzzling questions.

Preface this by giving the relevant recent background information. Mention that Rabbi Eric Yoffie, president of the liberal Union for Reform Judaism, the country’s largest Jewish denomination, called Christians and other religious conservatives “zealots” and “bigots.” Harshly attacking opposition to gay marriage, Yoffie remarked, “We cannot forget that when Hitler came to power in 1933, one of the first things that he did was ban gay organizations.”

Yoffie, whose movement includes 1.5 million members, spoke on the heels of comments from Anti-Defamation League national director Abraham Foxman. “Today,” Foxman said, “we face a better financed, more sophisticated, coordinated, unified, energized and organized coalition of groups in opposition to our policy positions on church-state separation than ever before. Their goal is to implement their Christian worldview. To save us!” Foxman warned that Evangelicals in particular have “built infrastructures throughout the country,” intending “to ‘Christianize’ all aspects of American life, from the halls of government to the libraries, to the movies, to recording studios, to the playing fields and locker rooms of professional, collegiate and amateur sports, from the military to SpongeBob SquarePants.”

In view of these provocations, here are the questions I’d suggest that Christians ask:

• Is it not true that Jewish leaders have better things to worry about than the spiritual fate of SpongeBob SquarePants? Let’s say, about radical Islam? Or secularism? At a time when radical Muslims threaten Jews and others around the world, why vilify American Christians?

Yoffie and Foxman spoke out at a time when fellow Jews were worried about disturbing news from across the Muslim world. In France, Arab youths rioted—the same youths who since 2000 have been harassing French Jews, burning synagogues, and desecrating Jewish cemeteries. In Egypt, television viewers had just enjoyed a month-long dramatization of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. The president of Iran called on Muslims to “wipe Israel off the map.” Meanwhile, the number of Jews lost to any form of Christianity is minuscule compared to the number lost to nothing, to secularism. If the ADL’s institutional purpose is to safeguard the existence of the Jewish people, if the Reform movement cares about Jewish souls as well as Jewish bodies, why has neither group ever campaigned against the threat posed by secularism?

• If conservative Christians were less politically powerful, would this help or hurt the security of the state of Israel?

No nation has been a better friend to the Jewish state than the United States, and for this, our country has earned the enmity of Israel-haters around the globe. In shaping American policy, domestic Christian pro-Israel sentiment has been at least as influential as Jewish support. Let’s say, for the sake of argument, that some of them really are looking forward to Armageddon, in the manner of the Left Behind books, with a global war centered upon Israel playing a key role in the unfolding of events at the End of Days. However distasteful you might find that view, please consider: If these same Israel-loving conservative American Christians all retired from political activism now, would Israel be better off or worse? Safer from attack or less so? Would America be a more faithful defender of the Jewish state or a less faithful one?

One prominent religious conservative, Donald E. Wildmon, chairman of the American Family Association, has said forthrightly that attacks on conservative Christians endanger Israel’s safety. In a December 5 radio interview, Wildmon said of Foxman’s latest salvos, “You know, he’s got himself kind of in a bind, because the strongest supporters Israel has are members of the religious right, the people he’s fighting. He’s got himself in a bind here. Because the more he says that ‘you people are destroying this country,’ you know, some people are going to begin to get fed up with this and say, ‘Well, all right then. If that’s the way you feel, then we just won’t support Israel anymore.’”

• Practically, what positive ends could anti-Christian attacks possibly accomplish?

Presumably Foxman and Yoffie, in provoking Christian conservatives, had in mind some positive and practical goal of benefit to the Jewish community. They hoped to accomplish a goal beyond provocation. But what that goal could be is hard to discern. When the Anti-Defamation League and other liberal groups campaigned against Mel Gibson’s Passion of the Christ, Gibson refused to change his film. Yet the anti-Semitism the ADL warned the movie would spur never even began to materialize. Clearly that ADL campaign benefited no one—except possibly the ADL. What are the chances that the latest insults will convince Christians to give up their political goals and moral principles? If the chances are slim, why risk alienating friends and fellow citizens?

• If evangelicals seek to “Christianize America,” a phrase implying legal coercion, when is the last time anyone tried to Christianize you?

Whenever I ask fellow Jews to explain their support of leaders such as Yoffie and Foxman, the most frequent response I get is that these men defend us against those who would pressure Jews to convert to Christianity. Yet no one I know can point to a personal experience of having been pressured to accept Jesus. Is it possible that Jews think that “Christianizing” is rampant only because the Yoffies and the Foxmans tell us so? True, Foxman can always trot out a quotation from someone in the fever swamps that are supposed to somehow represent the perspective of conservative Christians as a whole. Thus, he points out, something called the Alliance Defense Fund says “court victories are vital steps to...reclaim the legal system for Jesus Christ.” But in a big country like America, you can always find some organization that articulates any political or other philosophy that one can possibly imagine. Quote that marginal group and—bingo!—you’ve now “proven” that its bizarre ideology represents a significant threat just because it has been written down somewhere and nailed up on a website. But honestly, does this tell us anything about the sentiments of the majority of American Christians?

• How do you explain the fact that “bigoted” Christian political positions mirror the traditional views of your own religion, Judaism?

Judaism, as understood for millennia, mostly agrees with conservative Christian views on abortion, euthanasia, religion in public life, and other issues. If it’s “Nazi”-like to oppose gay marriage, as Rabbi Yoffie argues, then Jewish tradition must also be Hitlerian. The Hebrew Bible forbids homosexual intercourse, and Jewish rabbinic thought warns against tampering with the institution of marriage. Indeed, a classical rabbinic midrash explains that one of the reasons God was so disgusted with the original inhabitants of the land of Canaan, and caused the land to disgorge them in favor of the children of Israel, was that the Canaanites wrote marriage contracts for members of the same sex. Why are these views evidence of “zealotry” when held by Christians but not so when held by every generation of Jews universally down to about a hundred years ago?

• Have you considered the economics behind these anti-Christian attacks?

A self-perpetuating loop of disinformation feeds Jewish fears: Jewish leaders scare us with the bogeyman of the Christian Right. That causes Jews to open their wallet. If questioned about this, Jews explain that they need to support the Yoffies and the Foxmans because, after all, look at what the Christian Right is up to! The fact that Foxman’s organization has $52 million in yearly expenses, including Foxman’s own $412,000 in total compensation (according to publicly available 2003 tax information), is not irrelevant. The dynamics of a non-profit organization make it imperative that the group continually prove to funders that it remains relevant. Some non-profits demonstrate their relevance by offering thoughtful commentary on current events or other vital information. But are anti-Christian provocations the best way to spend tens of millions of dollars? Remember that we live in a time of massive Jewish assimilation into the wider secular culture—a disappearance of Jewish families driven in large part by Jewish cultural impoverishment and ignorance of Jewish faith and tradition. Imagine if Abraham Foxman’s salary alone were spent on sending Jewish kids to Jewish schools. Given the goal of preserving the Jewish people, would that be a better or worse allocation of resources?

These are fair questions, and millions of thoughtful Christians must have wondered about them since the early 1990s when Jewish groups like the ADL started lambasting religious conservatives. There is nothing threatening about a Christian politely requesting some clarification. So go ahead, Christians, ask away. Frankly I would be curious to know what answers you get.

But beyond satisfying curiosity, can the disinformation loop actually be broken? I believe there is value in Christians—as distinct from me, a fellow Jew—politely questioning their Jewish friends. When the questions come from outside the seemingly airtight locked bubble of Jewish-American culture, perhaps the startling fact of actually being confronted by a real Christian will force Jews to rethink our community’s reflexive support of irresponsible leaders. It might just work.


TOPICS: Activism; Apologetics; Current Events; Ecumenism; Evangelical Christian; Judaism; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics; Theology
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1 posted on 01/23/2006 1:14:09 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator
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To: Alouette

If you find this article to be ping-worthy, please ping the usual suspects.


2 posted on 01/23/2006 1:15:02 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Shallach 'et `ammi veya`avduni!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Very good questions !


3 posted on 01/23/2006 1:25:14 PM PST by Enterprise (The MSM - Propaganda wing and news censorship division of the Democrat Party.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
I'm afraid, Mr. Klinghoffer, that this is a bad idea. There's no way these questions would be perceived as anything but philosophically threatening--which would play exactly into Foxman's hands. Those terrible, menacing Baptists.

Not that the questions are not good, and not that I wouldn't love to hear the answers.

Liberal Jews must turn their faces back to Jerusalem--but it won't be the evangelicals who do this. I hope the conservative Jews can--

I am afraid that GW will be the last pro-Israel president.

4 posted on 01/23/2006 1:27:35 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle

I listen to the Dennis prager show & he makes these points often. He is Jewish & led the fight to keep the cross on the Los Angeles Seal. There are growing numbers of conservative jews.


5 posted on 01/23/2006 1:32:56 PM PST by Feiny (Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in hospitals dying of nothing.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Being of Catholic background I am not aware of all the ins and outs of Evangelica-Jewish relations. I know Evangelicals are very supportive of the state of Israel, maybe a few other things. What irks me in that relationship is the sometimes oversensitivity of Jews at the mention of the name of Jesus and the sometime pigheadedness of Evangelicals of a little too zealous to evangelize, or praying in a specifically Christian manner at public interdenominational functions where a more generalized prayer would be more appropriate. There has to be give and take on both sides. I really don't want to segue on all kinds of tangents here. At the end of the day believing Jews and Christians have to be on the same side against activist atheists who want to obliterate God (no matter how generally invoked) from all facets of public life.


6 posted on 01/23/2006 1:34:10 PM PST by brooklyn dave (Confirm Alito Now)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Eric Yoffie is a jerk, to put it nicely. OTOH, I'm not much of a fan of Jerry Falwell either.


7 posted on 01/23/2006 1:38:09 PM PST by Sam Cree (absolute reality) - ("Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." Albert Einstein)
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To: feinswinesuksass

Dennis Prager bump! The Jew who joys in bringing straying Methodists back to Methodism, Catholics to Catholicism....people to God.


8 posted on 01/23/2006 1:58:59 PM PST by onedoug
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To: onedoug
Dennis Prager bump! The Jew who joys in bringing straying Methodists back to Methodism, Catholics to Catholicism....people to God.

I appreciate the bump, but the author of the posted article is David Klinghoffer, not Dennis Prager.

9 posted on 01/23/2006 2:38:50 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Shallach 'et `ammi veya`avduni!)
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To: 1st-P-In-The-Pod; A Jovial Cad; A_Conservative_in_Cambridge; adam_az; af_vet_rr; agrace; ahayes; ...
Yoffie, whose movement includes 1.5 million members

That alleged "1.5 million" is dwindling rapidly, due to intermarriage, apathy, abortion, gayness, and failure to reproduce.

FRmail me to be added or removed from this Judaic/pro-Israel/Russian Jewry ping list.

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10 posted on 01/23/2006 2:47:39 PM PST by Alouette (Learned Mother of Zion)
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To: Bella_Bru

A quick hello and a ping to an article you may have an opinion about. ;-)

I hope everything is going well for you and SCGOP.


11 posted on 01/23/2006 2:51:44 PM PST by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Harshly attacking opposition to gay marriage, Yoffie remarked, “We cannot forget that when Hitler came to power in 1933, one of the first things that he did was ban gay organizations.”

That's funny. The gays once organized themselves into a political power. That time and place is called Nazi Germany.


12 posted on 01/23/2006 3:01:56 PM PST by Daffy
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To: Zionist Conspirator; the-ironically-named-proverbs2
Six Questions for Jews--From Christians

And not a one about Torah.

13 posted on 01/23/2006 3:34:22 PM PST by Thinkin' Gal (As it was in the days of NO...)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Remember that we live in a time of massive Jewish assimilation into the wider secular culture—a disappearance of Jewish families driven in large part by Jewish cultural impoverishment and ignorance of Jewish faith and tradition. Imagine if Abraham Foxman’s salary ($412,000) alone were spent on sending Jewish kids to Jewish schools. Given the goal of preserving the Jewish people, would that be a better or worse allocation of resources?

I read this article in the magazine yesterday. This was my pick for the best question!

14 posted on 01/23/2006 3:44:43 PM PST by Tax-chick (“Oh, that alters the case. Whatever General Lee says is all right, I don’t care what it is.”)
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To: Sam Cree

ERIK YOFFIE, SHOOTING DOWN THE JEWISH FUTURE

15 posted on 01/23/2006 3:46:34 PM PST by APRPEH (DPP is A OK)
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If you'd like to be on or off this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.
Articles on Israel can also be found by clicking the keyword Israel.

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16 posted on 01/23/2006 4:31:25 PM PST by SJackson (Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants to see us happy. B. Franklin)
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To: APRPEH

WHO DARES QUESTION MY GENIUS?

17 posted on 01/23/2006 4:35:51 PM PST by Alouette (Learned Mother of Zion)
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To: brooklyn dave
and the sometime pigheadedness of Evangelicals of a little too zealous to evangelize, or praying in a specifically Christian manner at public interdenominational functions where a more generalized prayer would be more appropriate.

Appropriate for whom??? You certainly are not referring to God...To use your word, every one of the Apostles was Pig Headed, to the extreme...They intructed Christians to evangelize...Jesus intructed us to evangelize...

If you are a born again Christian, filled with the Holy Spirit, you can not help but evangelize...It is your new nature...

18 posted on 01/23/2006 5:35:19 PM PST by Iscool (Start your own revolution by voting for the candidates the media (and gov't) tells you cannot win.)
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To: Thinkin' Gal
Six Questions for Jews--From Christians

And not a one about Torah.

Unfortunately, when Jewish "spokesmen" (self-appointed or otherwise) address non-Jews, it very seldom has anything to do with Torah. However, in the spirit of satire and parody, I shall pose six "questions" about actual Jewish observance and answer them with the answers most conventionally given by Jewish "spokesmen" (self-appointed or otherwise). To wit:

1)Why do Orthodox Jewish men wear beards?
A.To symbolize religious liberty.

2)Why do Orthodox Jewish women wear wigs?
A.To symbolize religious liberty.

3)Why is the significance of tzitziyyot?
A.The tzitziyyot symbolize religious liberty.

4)What does the holiday of Shavu`ot celebrate?
A.Shavu`ot celebrates religious liberty for all people, particularly for gays and atheists.

5)What is the Shemonei `Esrei?
A.A series of nineteen blessings recited thrice daily, each one expressing thanks for religious liberty.

6)Why do Jews beat the hosha`-na' bundle on Hosha`-na' Rabbah?
A.To demonstrate righteous anger at bigoted Southern Baptist dictators like Antiochus who deny religious liberty to minorities, particularly gays and atheists.

Well--that's just about the standard line!

19 posted on 01/23/2006 6:04:33 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Shallach 'et `ammi veya`avduni!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Uh...It was for #5's poster. Though I surely appreaciate the ping as much. Thanks!


20 posted on 01/23/2006 6:13:04 PM PST by onedoug
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