Posted on 01/13/2006 6:17:24 AM PST by sheltonmac
Hm. I think your complaint says more about you than it does about Mr. Schuller. Perhaps you're just bored. I know I am -- but I have the option to forget about this thread.
At least she didn't try to promote homosexuality that week. I'm shopping for a new church, but it's hard to leave this one. (She's only been there a little while).
Funny. I thought the number on problem was pride. The only reason people may be bored is simply because they think they know everything already.
Haven't you heard the saying, "Boredom comes before a fall"?
Hmmmm....I was curious and looked up boredom in scripture. Nobody seems to have been bored. Maybe Schuller longs for the days when a plague of locust was right around the corner or a Babylonian army was coming to carry you off to captivity. It certainly seem to have solved their boredom.
I suspect that Schuller thinks that boredom is the main problem because of the number of people who fall asleep during his sermons.
I wish Schuller's program would come on at night, then at least his sermons could serve a useful purpose in combating the second biggest problem for the human family... insomnia.
If you're not too far from the RI border, I can recommend some Biblically sound churches that won't be too far of a drive.
You complaint says more about you than it does about Sheltonmac...
Yawn.
>>The answer comes through a spiritual faith. How does that work? Spirituality through the Christian faith alone provides stimulation from boredom, through salvation from guilt...and that delivers self esteem, dignity and self respect, to do God's dream for your life. Now you are truly stimulated!<<
Good grief - I don't even know where to begin...
"Spirituality" is becoming the new meaning for Christian.
I've asked people before if they consider themselves a Christian, and I've gotten "I'm a spiritual person, if that's what you're asking". It's becoming mysticism, mixed with paganism and feel-good phychiatry.
It's still blasphemous, regardless of what you call it, IMO.
>>Yawn.<<
Are you bored? :-)
I suppose Paul was bored when he asked for the scrolls and parchments.
With the ultra-Calvinists? Yeah, I guess I am: why waste time debating a belief that, by its own tenets, cannot be debated?
Cannot be debated? It's been debated for hundreds of years.
Personally, I prefer "Hyper-Calvinist" or "Neo-Puritan" to ultra-Calvinist.
True. But if the "Hyper-Calvinists" are right, then there's literally no point to the debate. And if they're wrong... there's, uh, literally no point to the debate.
I suppose the same could be said for any two opposing viewpoints. That's what makes the free exchange of ideas so much fun.
Except when one of the sides is based on the idea that nothing one does can possibly matter -- and that's what the "no free will" aspects of the hyper-Calvinist position basically boil down to. (See the endless FR threads if you doubt me....)
>>Except when one of the sides is based on the idea that nothing one does can possibly matter -- and that's what the "no free will" aspects of the hyper-Calvinist position basically boil down to<<
I think you're just seeing the premise incorrectly, and with different definitions.
The concept of Free Will is largely a myth, but the basic premise is that while we decide on a particular course of action, the results of that action have already been pre-determined. Most notably in the case of salvation, but less notably in the seemingly mundane aspects of human life.
We may think we plan our steps, but the Lord determines where they fall and how successful they are, if at all. That's what His Sovereignty is all about.
We may decide to commit a certain sin, but the act of committing the sin, as well as teh repurcussions of it, are already known to God. To say otherwise would limit his omniscience and omnipotence.
Quite the contrary, what we do DOES matter, when viewed in the life of sin, salvation, and repentence.
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