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Communion in hand versus on tongue gets attention at synod (strange commentary from bishops)
Catholic News Service ^ | October 6, 2005 | John Thavis

Posted on 10/07/2005 1:29:49 PM PDT by NYer

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- It was not listed as a topic for discussion, but the question of Communion in the hand versus Communion on the tongue received attention at the Synod of Bishops on the Eucharist.

Cardinal Janis Pujats of Riga, Latvia, was the first to raise the issue, telling the synod Oct. 3 that he thought Catholics should receive Communion on the tongue -- while kneeling. When communicants stand, Cardinal Pujats said, he feels like a dentist looking into their mouths.

Cardinal Francis Arinze, who heads the Vatican's worship congregation, responded by saying that arguments could be made for both Communion practices, in the hand and on the tongue, according to information released by the Vatican. Ultimately, he said, it's up to bishops' conferences to decide what is best in each country, but he added that Communion in the hand needs better catechesis.

Cardinal Arinze said non-Catholics in particular sometimes fail to understand Communion in the hand. He related a story about one person who went up and received Communion and then took it home and kept the host in his scrapbook.

The cardinal added that Communion in the hand does make it easier for sacrilege against a consecrated host. He reminded bishops that a host reportedly received at a papal Mass in 1998 was put up for sale on eBay earlier this year before being withdrawn by the seller.

Speaking Oct. 4, Archbishop Jan Lenga of Karaganda, Kazakhstan, called Communion in the hand a "fad." He proposed that the Vatican issue a universal norm to gradually do away with it and return to Communion on the tongue while kneeling.

The archbishop said Muslims in his predominantly Islamic country consider it disrespectful to receive Communion in the hand while standing. He said Catholics could learn a lot from Orthodox Christians and Muslims about how to show reverence to God.

He added that Communion in the hand adds to the risk of host fragments breaking off and falling to the ground and to the risk of profaning the consecrated host.

One synod participant noted that objections to Communion in the hand were coming from bishops in Eastern Europe, where the liturgical changes introduced by the Second Vatican Council have been implemented only recently.

A different perspective was offered by Melkite Patriarch Gregoire III Laham of Damascus, Syria. He quoted the fourth-century writings of St. Cyril of Jerusalem, who described how Communion should be received in the hand as if the hand were a throne for the Lord. Communion in the hand was the common practice in the early centuries of the church.

The Vatican opened the way for a return to Communion in the hand in 1969, allowing local bishops' conferences to adopt the practice as an option. At the time, the Vatican cautioned that the change should be introduced gradually and with instruction, so that a sense of reverence was preserved.


TOPICS: Activism; Apologetics; Catholic; Current Events; General Discusssion; History; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: eucharist; holycommunion; theeucharist
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1 posted on 10/07/2005 1:29:52 PM PDT by NYer
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To: american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; ...
Perhaps I am misreading this article or possibly there are some poor translations but the following just jumped off the page.

Cardinal Arinze said non-Catholics in particular sometimes fail to understand Communion in the hand. He related a story about one person who went up and received Communion and then took it home and kept the host in his scrapbook.

The archbishop said Muslims in his predominantly Islamic country consider it disrespectful to receive Communion in the hand while standing.

Are these prelates distributing communion to non-Catholics and Muslims or am I in the early stages of Alzheimers disease.

2 posted on 10/07/2005 1:34:30 PM PDT by NYer (“Socialism is the religion people get when they lose their religion")
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To: american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; ...
Perhaps I am misreading this article or possibly there are some poor translations but the following just jumped off the page.

Cardinal Arinze said non-Catholics in particular sometimes fail to understand Communion in the hand. He related a story about one person who went up and received Communion and then took it home and kept the host in his scrapbook.

The archbishop said Muslims in his predominantly Islamic country consider it disrespectful to receive Communion in the hand while standing.

Are these prelates distributing communion to non-Catholics and Muslims or am I in the early stages of Alzheimers disease.

3 posted on 10/07/2005 1:36:07 PM PDT by NYer (“Socialism is the religion people get when they lose their religion")
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To: NYer

Maybe something got lost in translation?

"The archbishop said Muslims in his predominantly Islamic country consider it disrespectful to receive Communion in the hand while standing."

If not, today is First Friday Mass so everyone can go and offer reparations to sins and offenses against the Most Sacred Heart.

I'm sick. Ill. I hope this is just a misunderstanding....


4 posted on 10/07/2005 1:38:04 PM PDT by OpusatFR (Vegetarian, permaculturalist, cloth wearing, green, peak oil believing Trad Catholic Indie.)
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To: NYer

This is either a horribly written article, or the Church changed a rule without telling anyone.


5 posted on 10/07/2005 1:38:17 PM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Stuck on Genius)
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To: american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; ...
Perhaps I am misreading this article or possibly there are some poor translations but the following just jumped off the page.

Cardinal Arinze said non-Catholics in particular sometimes fail to understand Communion in the hand. He related a story about one person who went up and received Communion and then took it home and kept the host in his scrapbook.

The archbishop said Muslims in his predominantly Islamic country consider it disrespectful to receive Communion in the hand while standing.

Are these prelates distributing communion to non-Catholics and Muslims or am I in the early stages of Alzheimers disease.

6 posted on 10/07/2005 1:38:23 PM PDT by NYer (“Socialism is the religion people get when they lose their religion")
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To: wideawake

PING


7 posted on 10/07/2005 1:40:10 PM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Stuck on Genius)
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To: NYer
That puzzled me, too.

Non-Catholics should not be receiving Communion. Why would muslims care about how we distribute Communion? All that said, though, I'm glad this topic has come up.

And when did people stop doing the Sign of the Cross after Communion?

8 posted on 10/07/2005 1:40:59 PM PDT by AlaninSA (It's ONE NATION UNDER GOD...brought to you by the Knights of Columbus)
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To: NYer
Do Muslims have an equivalent to a communion service? I don't know.

A_R

9 posted on 10/07/2005 1:44:22 PM PDT by arkady_renko
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To: NYer
The second comment seems extremely wacky.

The first comment can be interpreted in a normal way.

10 posted on 10/07/2005 1:44:38 PM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: NYer

I agree. I could care less what some Muhammaden meteorite worshiper thinks about how Communion should be distributed.


11 posted on 10/07/2005 1:54:56 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: NYer

Sign me up with you. Well time to email this to the pope and CDF.


12 posted on 10/07/2005 1:55:33 PM PDT by AliVeritas ("A Proud Member of the Water Bucket Brigade-MOOSEMUSS".)
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To: NYer
The archbishop said Muslims in his predominantly Islamic country consider it disrespectful to receive Communion in the hand while standing.

Are these prelates distributing communion to non-Catholics and Muslims or am I in the early stages of Alzheimers disease.

LOL, you're right, I think there is a translation problem. I think he meant, Muslims converted to Catholicism.

13 posted on 10/07/2005 1:58:20 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: NYer

I just called CNS International Newsdesk in D.C., I was told that the Archbishop wasn't saying that but suggesting it would promote better relations between religions if we showed more respect. I told her it wasn't worded that way and either it should be changed or an explanation/correction should be done. First of all the answerer of the call was female not male (male wrote the article, who knows, could have been editor since she fired the answer off so quickly... or she has fielded a lot of calls already).

Feel free to call or email:

News: (202) 541-3250
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14 posted on 10/07/2005 2:03:09 PM PDT by AliVeritas ("A Proud Member of the Water Bucket Brigade-MOOSEMUSS".)
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To: NYer
What a shabbily written article. Isn't the news source linked to the USCCB? Since this article tries to make Archbishop Lenga sound nuts when in fact he made amazing statements that were spot on and true, I smell something really rotten under the veneer of bad writing. "Write so people think that Communion-on-the-tongue-while-kneeling Bishop sound crazy."
15 posted on 10/07/2005 2:03:30 PM PDT by Maeve (Praying........)
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To: AlaninSA
Why would muslims care about how we distribute Communion?

Because we're trying to convert them! They take the concept of "Fear of the Lord" very seriously. So then we tell them that the Holy Eucharist, although it appears as bread and wine, really is God, right there in the Tabernacle, on the Altar, in the priest's hands. Why should they believe us? Do we act like we're in the very presence of the Lord God Almighty? Do we act like we're approaching the Creator of all things visible and invisible when we approach the Altar for Holy Communion? Do we act like the Redeemer of sinful mankind is really present in the Tabernacle, when we enter the church? Do we act like we are in true, physical, intimate communion with the Holy, Mighty, Immortal One as we return to our pews from receiving Holy Communion?

If not, why should a potential Muslim (or other) convert think that we believe what we say we believe? If we don't act on our beliefs, where is our credibility?

16 posted on 10/07/2005 2:05:10 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: OpusatFR; NYer; AlaninSA
Sorry to bring this up, especially those who've never known this...

But a "black" mass is the profaning of the Holy Eucharist by witches and satanists who desecrate the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ. The Holy Eucharist is stolen from a Catholic Mass (or other Apostolic Religion, ie Orthodox). I won't go into the details of how many ways satanists will offend Christ in perversions and violence. I look forward to kneeling and receiving Him on the tongue. Parishes should invest in rails and cushions now in anticipation of the changes.

I don't want to offend or embarrass the hard working clergy as I have the utmost respect for such vocations. But, considering what Christ's enemies will do with the Holy Eucharist upon stealing it from Mass, I should think that any priest wouldn't mind looking at or dropping Christ into a mouth filled with rotting teeth and exhaling bad breadth. We have St Francis of Assisi to thank for his example of not only embracing lepers, but kissing their hands. Putting Christ into our thirsting and hungry souls is far from such a dramatic embrace as kissing a leper's pustulating stubby fingers.

I fully expect anti-Catholic and especially demonic forces to cringe and cry upon having access to offending and desecrating God cut off. We may never even have the change, but we'll know who stands against Christ.

The first major abuse will be over the "health" of the hands serving Christ and "communicable diseases". There's little wonder in my military mind on why "bird flu" is becoming an issue at the same time as "Communion on the tongue". If self-worshipping secularists are defending the incredibly risking behavior of sexual perversions then individuals choosing to risk communicable disease via Communion are at a far lower risk category to those demanding the "freedom" to risk acquiring sexually transmitted diseases.

Even so, I wouldn't be surprised if we see LEMs and priests using tongs and eye droppers to distribute Communion. Christ is victorious.
17 posted on 10/07/2005 2:07:42 PM PDT by SaltyJoe (A mother's sorrowful heart and personal sacrifice redeems her lost child's soul.)
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To: NYer
The Vatican opened the way for a return to Communion in the hand in 1969, allowing local bishops' conferences to adopt the practice as an option. At the time, the Vatican cautioned that the change should be introduced gradually and with instruction, so that a sense of reverence was preserved.

The bold part has been completely ignored in many places and that's the heart of the problem.

18 posted on 10/07/2005 2:13:24 PM PDT by pgkdan
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To: AlaninSA
And when did people stop doing the Sign of the Cross after Communion?

About the same time it became ok for every person in the church to approach the altar for Communion, grab the Sacred Host any way they like and then slouch off in their shorts and flip flops, chomping away as if the Body of Our Lord were a potato chip.

19 posted on 10/07/2005 2:16:34 PM PDT by pgkdan
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To: NYer

Your our expert on Eastern Rites, but the ones I've been to dump a piece of wine soaked bread into your mouth. It would be very messy if they put it into your hand instead.


20 posted on 10/07/2005 2:23:14 PM PDT by stop_fascism (The goal is 5 votes that uphold the constitution)
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