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Disciples of Christ to Israel: Drop dead
Jerusalem Post ^ | 8/7/5 | SUSAN BLATT

Posted on 08/07/2005 9:24:34 PM PDT by SmithL

On July 27 the General Assembly of the Disciples of Christ, a mainline Protestant denomination, called upon Israel "to tear down the barrier fence." The resolution, originally entitled "Tear Down the Wall," was renamed, more ambiguously, "Breaking Down the Dividing Wall," though it remained rife with factual errors and retained the original intent.

The resolution does not deny that Israel built the fence "to shield itself against terrorist attacks," or that the fence has succeeded in saving a great number of lives (including some would-be bombers?). Yet it still demands the security barrier's removal.

Why? Because, according to the resolution, the existence of a physical barrier is creating a psychological barrier to true peace, more "visually and spiritually... devastating than abstract facts can convey."

As the amended resolution states, "By breaking down walls that separate, we actively seek peace and reconciliation in the world in an attempt to follow Jesus' example." Or as one member argued, "Every day the wall grows, the prospect for a genuine peace... diminishes."

Translation? Israelis cannot be counted on to make peace without a knife at their throats.

After reading this document it's hard not to conclude that these members have, while remaining fully in touch with their emotions, completely lost touch with "the abstract facts" of real life.

Look again at the date: 15 days after the Netanya suicide bombing. Four days after a would-be bomber was intercepted climbing the fence. If these facts do not demonstrate that completing the fence is necessary to save lives, then what would?

But this still doesn't answer the question of why two-thirds of these presumably life-loving Christians voted yes on this resolution, asking the State of Israel to put its citizens' lives in even greater peril.

It appears that many, perhaps even most, of those who voted did not actually get around to reading the document. This was not entirely the fault of most delegates since the resolution was introduced just days before the conference as an "emergency resolution" and rewritten again about 36 hours before the vote. Most other resolutions had been submitted by a January deadline, five months ahead.

In this way, the authors of the resolution succeeded not only in preventing any real study or discussion before the vote, and in delaying it until the last day of an exhausting conference, but also in framing the debate, so that to vote against it was tantamount to standing up and declaring oneself a person who no longer believes in peace.

But why did the assembly not listen to those members and their guests who opposed the resolution? The sad answer is that, for the most part, they were not given the opportunity.

Tzippi Cohen, a survivor of the Cafe Hillel suicide bombing, was not allowed to speak, ostensibly because she was not a voting member, even though she had flown in from New York hoping for the chance to address the assembly for one to three minutes.

However, Palestinian guest Rula Shubeita, of Jerusalem's Sabeel Center, was permitted to speak in favor of the resolution. Her center calls itself the "Palestinian Liberation Theology Center" and features a paean to the late Yasser Arafat on its homepage entitled, "A Word of Respect and Esteem for a Great Leader."

Shubeita told the delegates, "Because of the wall, I cannot see my brother, who lives three miles away on the other side of the fence. I now must drive 14 miles to see him." She also claimed that she can no longer visit her church in Bethlehem at all.

Actually, Shubeita, can see her brother, though she has to drive 11 miles out of her way. She omitted to say that since the arrival of PA rule and its unleashing of criminal and Islamic terror gangs, most of Bethlehem's Christians have fled to Israel and elsewhere. Bethlehem, once 80% Christian, is now less than 20%. So while she can still likely visit the church most days, it's also likely that when she gets there, most pews are empty.

Yet two-thirds of the Disciples of Christ delegates declared themselves more concerned with a Palestinian's right to drive directly to her destination than with an Israeli's right to retain her arms and legs intact; and they were clearly more interested in blaming all miseries on Israel than in helping Palestinians replace a corrupt and dysfunctional PA with something more democratic.

This was after a vigorous but limited discussion by those few who, at the last moment, somehow managed to speak.

Most eloquently, dissenting member Ken Britton of Cloverdale, Indiana, said: "For decades Israel offered land for peace - and peace hasn?t happened. If we vote for this, we are telling Israel that we don?t care about you and we don't care about terrorism, and that you have no right to exist."

The writer lives in Portland, Oregon. The vigil outside the conference was sponsored by Stand With Us, in partnership with the National Christian Leadership Conference for Israel and the Judeo-Christian Alliance.


TOPICS: Mainline Protestant
KEYWORDS: antisemitism; disciplesofchrist; israel
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Another mainline protestant organization that supports terror.
1 posted on 08/07/2005 9:24:34 PM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL

Signs of rising Protestant anti-Semitism?


2 posted on 08/07/2005 9:27:22 PM PDT by jjmcgo
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To: SmithL
Another mainline protestant organization that supports terror.

You got that right. The upper echelon leadership of most protestant denominations are leaning farther and farther to the left, and a lot of the parishoners of those churches have no idea what their leadership stands for.

3 posted on 08/07/2005 9:29:01 PM PDT by Minuteman23
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To: SmithL
Israel...just go la la la la la la la. I know it's childish but at least you won't hear these morons.
4 posted on 08/07/2005 9:29:10 PM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: SmithL
according to the resolution, the existence of a physical barrier is creating a psychological barrier to true peace, more "visually and spiritually devastating than abstract facts can convey."

Those "abstract facts" sure annoy the Left, don't they?

5 posted on 08/07/2005 9:29:47 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: SmithL

It's almost understandable when liberals don't recognize "evil". However, when "church" members don't recognize it, something is truly amiss.


7 posted on 08/07/2005 9:31:34 PM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: Minuteman23

Say what? The leadership in most Protestant churches isn't leaning left. They fell flat on the floor and began to dig into the earth decades ago. Only the parishioners left in their dead churches don't know.


8 posted on 08/07/2005 9:34:05 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Please stand by. We are experiencing technical difficulties.)
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To: SmithL
"...the General Assembly of the Disciples of Christ, a mainline Protestant denomination"

If they are so mainline how come I've never heard of them?

9 posted on 08/07/2005 9:34:28 PM PDT by Artemis Webb
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To: SmithL

I've got to say: I've never once heard of this denomination. Disciples of Christ was it? I've never heard of it.

I think you can rest assured that most Christian organizations are not anti-semetic, and that the majority of people in Christian organizations - even those that have anti-semitic leaders - will remain in favor of Israel.


10 posted on 08/07/2005 9:37:02 PM PDT by conservative_crusader (The voice of truth, tells me a different story. The voice of truth says do not be afraid.)
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To: WorkingClassFilth
The leadership in most Protestant churches isn't leaning left. They fell flat on the floor and began to dig into the earth decades ago. Only the parishioners left in their dead churches don't know.

Many of those leaders are far from "flat on the floor." They are very activist leftists. Check out the web site for the National Council of Churches.

11 posted on 08/07/2005 9:37:22 PM PDT by Minuteman23
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To: A CA Guy
Telling a Protestant Christian to "Blow You" is a bit unkempt. It is amazing you have survived this long on FR.

Reported.

12 posted on 08/07/2005 9:37:49 PM PDT by Windsong (FighterPilot)
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To: Windsong
It's deserving Windsong, anyone suggesting the Jews should subject themselves to terrorism without protection, should IMO all have their families die first rather than volunteer these Jews to die because they don't like Jewish self preservation or worse yet..WALLS.

I have NO respect for this cult branch of the Protestant Church at all.

13 posted on 08/07/2005 9:46:12 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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"Most eloquently, dissenting member Ken Britton of Cloverdale, Indiana, said: "For decades Israel offered land for peace - and peace hasn?t happened. If we vote for this, we are telling Israel that we don?t care about you and we don't care about terrorism, and that you have no right to exist."

This is the only normal view in the article.

14 posted on 08/07/2005 9:50:51 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: SmithL

Keep in mind that there are a LOT of so called "Christian" churches/groups who are NOT really Christians. They are big social clubs, who are basically clueless about the Bible, and what Jesus would really do. IMO, they are cults. The MSM creates a lot of these problems because they distort the truth about what's really going on with the situation over there. They ALWAYS make the Israelis look like the aggressors.


15 posted on 08/07/2005 10:02:04 PM PDT by NRA2BFree (veni vedi Visa - I came, I saw, I shopped!)
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To: Artemis Webb
If they are so mainline how come I've never heard of them?

Exactly. I find it very telling that the one line blurb that you get if you Google them, states that they are a "mainline" denomination. Who are they trying to convince? The truth is that they are just another wishy-washy, two-bit liberal/ecumenical group, with no real, uncompromisable, core beliefs, trying to make the rest of us believe otherwise.

In terms of membership, they are a relatively small group. They claim 800,000 members while the Southern Baptists claim 16 million, the Presbyterian Church USA claims 2.4 million and the Assemblies of God claim 1.6 million (to name a few). So the bottom line is - Who really cares what they think?

Disciples of Christ

16 posted on 08/07/2005 10:45:11 PM PDT by AnOldCowhand (The west is dead. You may lose a sweetheart, but you will never forget her - Charles Russell)
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To: NRA2BFree

I second that. Preach the faith, not the politics. G-d knows, people today have too little of the former and far too much of the latter.


17 posted on 08/07/2005 10:57:17 PM PDT by Alexander Rubin
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To: AnOldCowhand
the Presbyterian Church USA claims 2.4 million

The PCUSA is also anti-Isreal. I left them for the Presbyterian Church in America 10 years ago now, it is refreshing to be in a church that teaches Scripture and stays away from social activism.

18 posted on 08/08/2005 12:04:16 AM PDT by Gamecock (We don't beat "nice" people to a bloody pulp, nail them on a cross and then watch them suffocate.)
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To: SmithL
To the General Assembly of the Disciples of Christ ?
Haven't you learned anything from the Bible and Old Testament ?
YOUR CURSED by God himself: READ GENESIS 12 verses 1 - 3

"Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing"(Genesis 12:1 & 2):

"And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed"(Genesis 12:3). )
19 posted on 08/08/2005 12:06:04 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: SmithL
Long live ISRAEL !!
God Bless ISRAEL !!
20 posted on 08/08/2005 12:11:25 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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