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What to Expect of Benedict XVI (Warning From Ultra Trads)
Novus Ordo Watch ^ | May 20, 2005

Posted on 07/03/2005 4:54:21 AM PDT by NYer

IMPORTANT MESSAGE from NovusOrdoWatch.org

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Dear Reader,

The recent election of Fr. Joseph Ratzinger as "Pope" Benedict XVI, the new head of the Concilar Church, marks the beginning of a new era. After almost 40 years since the end of the Second Vatican Council, and over 46 years since the selection of Cardinal Angelo Roncalli as John XXIII, in order to finish its triumph over the Catholic Church, the Conciliar Novus Ordo Church must now move into its final stages to complete its work of inquity, that is, the setting up of a universal one-world religion, under the pretext of human dignity, that has abandoned all that is distinctively Roman Catholic.

Catholic traditionalists have hitherto been the last great resistance against the New Church's complete destruction of Catholicism. In order to succeed fully in implementing the New Religion, therefore, the Novus Ordo Church must once and for all break down the traditional Catholic resistance. In what follows we propose what we believe Benedict XVI has planned to bring about the demise of Traditional Catholicism. We put these considerations before you today, before the plan is carried out, that you may know to beware of the great dangers ahead and identify them as such as they come to pass.

(1) Benedict XVI will seek to destroy the traditional Catholic resistance not by attacking it, but by neutralizing it: he will seek to undermine its reason for being.

(2) As time goes on, Benedixt XVI will bend over backwards to appear conservative, even traditional; he will do everything in his power to reconcile with and fully regularize the Society of St. Pius X and similar traditionalist groups. He will allow all Novus Ordo priests to say the traditional Mass and perhaps even command that the traditional Mass be said on a regular basis in every Novus Ordo parish. (This reintroduction of the traditional Mass in regular parish life will be absolutely essential.) He will lure good-willed but confused and battle-weary traditionalists by letting them voice their concerns concerning Vatican II and the New Mass and fully accept their reservations concerning these. He may even reform the New Mass into a more conservative liturgy. He will say that it is time to come to the aid and comfort of the one faction in the Church still marginalized and neglected for so long, namely, the traditionalists. He will pretend to have an open mind and heart for them and do everything in his power to regularize their status, with the ultimate goal of having all traditionalists be part of the New Church, under the tacit banner, however, of "unity in diversity."

(3) After having regularized and fully accepted the formerly traditionalist priestly societies, and perhaps even erected Apostolic Administrations for them, Benedict XVI might even go so far as to ordain priests for those traditionalist groups. This will anger the ultra-modernists but at the same time be a great defeat for traditional Catholicism, for the ordinations will not be valid. They will not be valid because Benedict XVI is not a bishop. Joseph Ratzinger, Benedict's real name, was ordained a priest in 1951, but his consecration as "bishop" occurred in 1977 and took place in the new rite of consecration promulgated by Paul VI (in 1968), a rite that is clearly invalid because the words of episcopal consecration were changed so much that they no longer express that what is taking place is the consecration of a Catholic bishop. Against this, Pope Leo XIII has taught clearly and infallibly that a form that does not signify the grace it confers is unable to confect a sacrament: "That 'form' consequently cannot be considered apt or sufficient for the Sacrament which omits what it ought essentially to signify" (Bull Apostolicae Curae, 1896). Therefore, any and all ordinations "conferred" by Benedict XVI are invalid. Hence it will not matter how many "traditional priests" he will seem to ordain, for all the "Masses" they will ever say will be invalid. Yet none of the former traditionalists then reconciled to Rome will dare speak against this, for they will necessarily recognize Benedict as the Bishop of Rome, and it is absurd, of course, to acknowledge someone as the Bishop of Rome while at the same time maintaining that he is not a bishop. All this will happen while the last few surviving bishops appointed by Pope Pius XII are dying.

(4) Benedict XVI will seem conservative and traditional not only in words but also in deeds. He will move to excommunicate the more obvious ultra-modernists in the Novus Ordo Church. He will strike down the left-wing dissidents against his Novus Ordo magisterium. He will not tolerate openly homosexual organizations that claim to be Catholic, such as "Dignity USA." He will perhaps provoke a schism with "Cardinal" Roger Mahony of Los Angeles to further make people believe that he, Benedict, is an orthodox anti-modernist, the "great Pope" to "save the Church," and that Mahony and his ilk are liberals and modernists. He will be uncompromisingly against abortion and euthanasia--and the death penalty.

(5) Benedict XVI will be very successful in this endeavor. He will be successful mainly because many traditionalists are tired of fighting. They are worn out from the battle. They will welcome the illusion of a "traditional Pope" who will finally "restore the Church." Benedict will take advantage of this unique moment.

(6) But all of this will be facade. It will serve only one purpose: to lure the faithful Catholic remnant into the New Church and invalidate the last valid Latin-rite sacraments, all while the last Catholic bishops are dying. This tactic will reveal itself as extremely cunning and successful, for there is no better way to destroy traditionalism than by apparently acceding to its every demand. Thus they will succeed in deceiving everybody, except for the elect, which is impossible (see Matthew 24:24). The few faithful Catholic souls who will then still have refused to join the New Church will be easy to deal with, for their number will be small. They will be marginalized, ostracized, and persecuted in ways without precedent. They will be derogated as "extreme right-wing lunatics" and "rabid fundamentalists" who are "very uncharitable" and "can never be pleased." They will be denounced as enemies of the Catholic Church, even though they are but the enemies of the New Vatican II Church. They will be put on a par with the followers of the David Koresh cult. They will be denounced as left-overs from the Inquisition and witch-burning times. They will be denounced as antisemitic. Quite possibly, even publications formerly known as traditionalist will join in the bashing. Once this has succeeded, everything will be in place; the last stage of the Great Persecution of the Holy Catholic Church will have begun.

Pray hard, therefore, for the Novus Ordo hierarchy will move swiftly to smash that last outpost of Catholicism, that last bastion they so far still haven't been able to demolish. "They [the faithful] must pray above all for the Church of Darkness to leave Rome," counseled the visionary Ven. Anne Catherine Emmerich on August 25, 1820 (qtd. in Yves Dupont, Catholic Prophecy, TAN Books, p.64). So do not be surprised if this comes to pass. We are telling you beforehand. (News stories confirming these predictions will be marked "SWTYS" -- "See, we told you so.") The remaining true Catholics, however, will be consoled by the fact that "Catholics who remain faithful to Tradition, even if they are reduced to a handful, are the true Church of Jesus Christ" (St. Athanasius), and that Our Lady of Fatima promised that "in the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph."

Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us.
St. Pius X, pray for us.
Most Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.


TOPICS: Activism; Catholic; Current Events; General Discusssion; History; Ministry/Outreach; Prayer; Religion & Culture; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: novusordo; popebenedictxvi; tinfoilhats
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1 posted on 07/03/2005 4:54:21 AM PDT by NYer
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To: american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; ...
As if to make the case, a recent post by Tantumergo indicates that tradition minded younger Catholics are moving steadily toward Rome and sincerely want to be identified with the papacy of Benedict XVI.

Young love for the old

Have the trads pushed the envelope too far?

2 posted on 07/03/2005 5:00:47 AM PDT by NYer ("Each person is meant to exist. Each person is God's own idea." - Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: NYer
That whole letter is just full of jealousy, resentment, pride and hate. The abundant use of scare quotes shows further sinful disdain. I'm sorry, but these "traditionalists" can't see the forest for the trees. Whatever legitimate complaints they may have once had about liturgical abuses etc, are completely overshadowed by their tunnel vision and hysteria.





3 posted on 07/03/2005 5:36:29 AM PDT by visualops
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To: visualops

4 posted on 07/03/2005 5:49:28 AM PDT by NYer ("Each person is meant to exist. Each person is God's own idea." - Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: NYer
Have the trads pushed the envelope too far?

I only got halfway through the article. It's stuff like this that turns people off. They want us to believe that the post Vat II, the Church itself isn't Catholic. Well, it might not be as pretty as it was, or as big, but it's still the Church whether they like it or not.

5 posted on 07/03/2005 5:56:47 AM PDT by Desdemona (Music Librarian and provider of cucumber sandwiches, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary. Hats required.)
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To: NYer

Pardon my ignorance, but who are these people?


6 posted on 07/03/2005 6:15:54 AM PDT by ValenB4 ("Every system is perfectly designed to get the results it gets." - Isaac Asimov)
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To: NYer

"Here's how rotten our enemies are: they are going to do everything we ask of them!"


7 posted on 07/03/2005 6:43:36 AM PDT by dangus
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To: visualops; NYer

Can this letter really be viewed as part of a movement? Or are we simply dealing with someone who is as much of a nut case as those guys (and there are several) who each claim to be the "real" Pope?


8 posted on 07/03/2005 6:45:31 AM PDT by dangus
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To: NYer

I have known about "Novus Ordo Watch" for a few years, and once found their comments such as "Jaw Drop" (reacting to some liturgical abuse) mildly amusing.

They now seem close to the sedevacantist position (those who say that there has been no valid Pope since the death of Pius XII in 1958). There are other sites even worse calling Pope Benedict XVI "Fr. Ratzinger" - expressing a "certitude" that the new rites of the Sacraments are invalid.

I am a "marginal" cleric myself, but I recognize Benedict XVI to be the Pope of the Catholic Church, and I have a considerable amount of esteem and respect for him. Many of the Novus Ordo Watch comments, and those of other organizations and site, are exaggerated, and often inaccurate, or simply quoted out of context.

Just my two cents...

Fr. Anthony


9 posted on 07/03/2005 7:46:11 AM PDT by Father Anthony
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To: dangus
"Here's how rotten our enemies are: they are going to do everything we ask of them!"

Perfect summary.

If it weren't so psychotic, their views would be hysterically funny. I did learn something new though. I wasn't aware that the pope wasn't actually a real bishop.

10 posted on 07/03/2005 7:56:44 AM PDT by St.Chuck
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To: NYer
This will anger the ultra-modernists but at the same time be a great defeat for traditional Catholicism, for the ordinations will not be valid. They will not be valid because Benedict XVI is not a bishop. Joseph Ratzinger, Benedict's real name, was ordained a priest in 1951, but his consecration as "bishop" occurred in 1977 and took place in the new rite of consecration promulgated by Paul VI (in 1968), a rite that is clearly invalid because the words of episcopal consecration were changed so much that they no longer express that what is taking place is the consecration of a Catholic bishop.[emphasis added]

This gets so tiring.

Dissenting traditionalists devise a rationale of teaching authority that imposes their personal opinion upon conciliar and even papal teaching authority. It is, of course, completely imaginary authority. Their anti-papal teaching authority is the result of convoluted and nebulous formulation, complete with citations of orthodox opinions that ultimately have little to do with their cause and do nothing to justify their disobedience.

It goes something like this:

We must be obedient to the successor of Peter, which is the Pope.

We hate the liturgy promulgated by Vatican II and the popes. We hate the rules for the use of the liturgy. Since the only authority given by the Lord to guide the Church in the formulation of liturgy and its uses is, ultimately, the Pope, we have to find out why some Popes ordered the use of something that we hate.

It is obvious to all that the Church and the world is a mess because of the liturgy adopted by Pope Paul VI as a result of Vatican II.

Therefore, we cannot obey the Pope who has approved the "new" liturgy since it is the cause of all the evil in the world.

The liturgy is a masonic design. The liturgy teaches faith even as it also the means of worship. Masonism is heretical.

Since he advocated and promulgated it, Pope Paul VI was a heretic. A heretic cannot be pope. Therefore, Pope Paul VI was not a pope, and he never had papal teaching authority.

Since he was not a pope or bishop as the result of his heresies, no ordinations of Pope Paul VI were valid. None of his bishops were valid.

His bishops ordained priests, but since they weren't really bishops, their priestly ordinations were invalid. Everything since Pope Paul VI is invalid.

We know all this to be true because our discernment is superior to all other living entities.

Beware of Benedict XVI!!!

Sheesh.
11 posted on 07/03/2005 7:57:53 AM PDT by TheGeezer
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To: NYer

Let's grant the author of that article a Pontifical J.P.N. degree honoris causa.

Just Plain Nuts


12 posted on 07/03/2005 8:33:39 AM PDT by TaxachusettsMan
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To: Father Anthony

CLOSE to sedavacantism? They are preaching the most radical form of sedavacantism I have ever seen: that not only is there no Pope, but there will soon be no bishops, thus destroying the apostolic succession altogether. All because the form used for ordination of bishops is incorrect, in their opinion.

A broken clock is right twice a day. I do believe Paul VI was a minion of Satan, if not bent on destroying the church, then almost sociopathically incapable of recognizing evil.


13 posted on 07/03/2005 8:48:57 AM PDT by dangus
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To: TheGeezer

perfect.


14 posted on 07/03/2005 8:50:05 AM PDT by dangus
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To: NYer

What lunacy. Thanks for giving me the final reason I need to never take these loons seriously ever again.


15 posted on 07/03/2005 9:05:17 AM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: dangus
"Here's how rotten our enemies are: they are going to do everything we ask of them!"

That was my thought too. Seems the tin-foilers like this will never be happy, unless they're being conspiratorial and "persecuted". Basically "Pope" "Benedict's" "strategy" "is" to give in to every demand of the Traditionalists.
16 posted on 07/03/2005 9:06:53 AM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: Father Anthony
Father, the author of this story says that Pope Benedict XVI is not a real bishop -- which is why he put the word Pope in quotation marks.

It was my understanding that one does not have to be a "real" bishop to become a real Pope -- or for that matter even be ordained, i.e. that any male can become the choice of the College of Cardinals, or am I wrong?

17 posted on 07/03/2005 9:07:12 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: Conservative til I die

Isn't Mel Gibson one of them?


18 posted on 07/03/2005 9:08:56 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: NYer; All

There was an article in the recent edition of the Wanderer that discussed this in great detail. In addition to Juventutem, the group being welcomed in Cologne by three Cardinals and numerous Tridentine priests, the situation in Brazil is amazing. Once the Campos situation of St. John Vianney was normalized, their influence is now spreading. The seminary cannot find enough room for the new vocations! They are building a seminary for 80 seminarians who will say the Latin Mass! Archbishop Olmsted has invited in the FSSP. More and more the news gets better.

The Holy Father has no deep love for the way the Mass devolved (was hijacked) after Vatican II. There have been numerous reports that Cardinal Marini may be replaced. As a result, the televised Masses from Rome will have Gregorian Chant, will use extensive Latin and will look much more like the Council had intended. The Wanderer made the explicit point that the Holy Father will use Cologne to show these young folks just WHAT they have been missing. It could well be something to watch intensely. As the article points out, Cologne is where Charlemagne issued his edict proscribing how the Mass was to be celebrated in the Holy Roman Empire. Is this Benedict doing the same? It is tempting to say "yes."

The liturgists of the Right are attacking first. The liturgists of the Left just have not even considered what a groundswell upwards will look like.

We live in interesting times.

G


19 posted on 07/03/2005 9:25:25 AM PDT by Frank Sheed
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To: Frank Sheed

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03618a.htm

Gregorian Chant and Charlemagne


20 posted on 07/03/2005 9:39:18 AM PDT by Frank Sheed
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