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Rev. Malachi Martin’s 1997 statement regarding ...the condition of the Church
Roman Catholic Faithful

Posted on 01/17/2005 7:40:51 AM PST by Catholic54321

Blessings on your endeavors. I will be praying for you all.

These days and months of 1997, there seems to be a long and slow but steady sunset all over the Roman Catholic Church organization of Pope John Paul II. And no matter what he does, no matter how large the crowds at his "mega- Masses", no matter how many prayers are offered day and night by the Saints in the Church: no matter how many authenticated appearances of the Blessed Virgin Mary are granted us (often with manifest miracles): no matter how many seers and visionaries--- stigmatists among them--- bring us warning messages from beyond the created cosmos of man; nothing, but nothing seemingly arrests the oncoming darkness of a night feared by every believing Christian alive today.

We would have to be blind not to see that our human day as Roman Catholics is declining inexorably into that everencroaching darkness. Nor is this anything like the welcoming darkness of night beckoning us to enter into a wellearned sleep in preparation for a glorious and still more strenuous tomorrow. Far from it.

Rather, all the reliable signs tell us--and Christ Himself advised us in no uncertain terms to be diligent in reading the "signs of the times"--that this is the sepulchral darkness which will entomb a spent age and its dessicated institutions and organizations. These are the shades of the charnel-house now awaiting us at the end of our Catholic times. It all fits. So dreadfully. So sadly.

Even though we are sure we always will have a Pope of Rome until the end of all human time, it is still a sad scene. And especially so when we realize the horrible nature of that darkness. It is not a question of mere heresy--false teaching--nor of schism as a revolt against authority. This, my friends and fellow Catholics, is the darkness of apostasy: the systematic evacuation of basic Roman Catholic dogmas by those in charge of teaching the Faithful.

On the testimony of competent observers from all over North and South America as well as from Europe and from official Rome itself, the regime of His Eminence, Cardinal Mahony, has been marked by a steady de-Romanization and de-Catholicization of the once flourishing Los Angeles archdiocese.

Many priests, nuns, bishops--under His Eminence's jurisdiction--are not espousing the teaching of the Church. They follow another agenda. Under the guise of the "Spirit of Vatican II" as a catch-all for any whim and caprice, there occur unauthorized liturgical innovations (for example: standing during the Consecration, omission of parts of the Mass, "liturgical" dancing, invalid bread used for Holy Communion, etc, etc.). There are rampant spiritual and canonical abuses (general absolution in place of individual confession, the use of an invalid formula for absolution, First Communion before First Reconciliation for children as the norm, sex education for children that is designed to rob them of their innocence, the pouring of Consecrated Wine down the waste faucets of bathrooms, etc, etc.). Church buildings are renovated on the basis of “Environment and Art in Catholic Worship" But this document was never approved by the National Conferences of Catholic Bishops, and it reflects the personal ideas of certain individuals about whose faith one can have very legitimate doubts.

What observers remark is that an overall plan for radical change is being implemented -- but in small increments, without the overall goal being frankly and candidly stated. Many of these observers will aver that the not so obvious aim of all this change is the establishment of another non-Roman Catholic form of our Faith.

It is, then, a lugubrious fact that, bit by bit, without their knowing it, or realizing it, great sections of the Church in North America headed by their clergy are being led by the nose out of Catholicism and into the darkness of a very comfortable apostasy.

One of the most important statements of the Second Vatican Council emphasizes the new role that the Roman Catholic laity are called upon to play in the life of the Church. We know that more than once in the 2,000 year history of the Church, the laity have been used, as the Council teaches, by the Holy Spirit in order to protect, nourish and preserve the Church.

Lo! and behold! In our day, and precisely when it was most needed, the Roman Catholic Faithful, Inc. (RCF) organization has sprung up in Illinois. When it began in 1996, somebody referred to it as "a little pebble" on the mountainside of a huge Church. But, let me tell you, this little pebble rolling down that mountainside is producing an avalanche of faithful Catholics who will no longer tolerate this apostasy from our Roman Catholic Faith. The RCF has members in all 50 states and abroad in half-a-dozen countries. RCF is dedicated to the defense of Orthodoxy. It is engaged in activities from New York to California, from Illinois to Florida.

The ever-swelling number of members in the RCF will now make sure that His Eminence Cardinal Mahony as well as other bishops, will be reminded by voices from 100,000 throats:

--that he is only one of over 4,000 bishops in the Church, all of whom --like him-- are subject to the infallible teaching of the papacy, past and present;

--that, while by papal permission, he has jurisdiction over the Los Angeles archdiocese, he has no personal jurisdiction over the Church Universal and its dogmas;

--that he, like all us sinners, will have to render to Our Lord Jesus a strict accounting of his Los Angeles stewardship;

--that his chief obligation is to preserve and foment the Faith in that diocese; and any deliberate neglect or infringement of that obligation is punishable with Hellfire.

Let no Catholic shrink from admonishing priests, bishops, or Cardinals, if they act in ways that are irreconcilable with the Faith of our Fathers. This is Papal teaching, this is the teaching of the Church Councils, this is the teaching of St. Thomas Aquinas: We have an obligation to do so. The simple but painful fact is that even higher members of the Church's hierarchy are quite capable of treason.

Let us, in our generation, do our duty by Holy Mother Church, so that those who come after us in the generation of the Faithful, will say about us: They were giants in Faith, and they fought the good fight.

† Malachi B. Martin


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1 posted on 01/17/2005 7:40:57 AM PST by Catholic54321
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To: Catholic54321

Forgot the link:
http://rcf.org/pdfs/AMDGMahonyPDF.pdf


2 posted on 01/17/2005 7:41:42 AM PST by Catholic54321
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To: Catholic54321

Malachi Martin flinched. He reminded the faithful not to hold back criticism of cardinals and bishops and priests. But he failed to mention the need to admonish the Pope--who is most responsible for the present condition of the Church.


3 posted on 01/17/2005 4:34:22 PM PST by ultima ratio (I)
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To: Catholic54321; Gerard.P; thor76

Fr. Martin Ping


4 posted on 01/18/2005 9:22:40 AM PST by murphE ("I ain't no physicist, but I know what matters." - Popeye)
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To: ultima ratio

"Malachi Martin flinched. He reminded the faithful not to hold back criticism of cardinals and bishops and priests. But he failed to mention the need to admonish the Pope--who is most responsible for the present condition of the Church."


But the Pope is sick .... or it is the fault of those around him ... or the bishops are not obedient ... or we live in difficult times ... or the Pope has a secret plan ...or ... or ... or .....



5 posted on 01/18/2005 9:26:01 AM PST by Wessex
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To: Wessex; thor76; murphE

It's obvious that Fr. Martin is asking or direct action against Card. Mahoney. He can put real pressure on Mahoney and that was his task at the time in his coordinated efforts with Frs. Kunz and Fiore.

Fr. Martin did plenty of critiqueing of JPII and his responsibilities. He gave JPII the benefit of the doubt up until the altar girl fiasco and the encyclical Ut Unum Sint. If you listen to his tapes all through the 90's there is a growing impatience and realization that JPII was not going to help the traditional cause despite his previous assurances from JPII that he was encouraging the traditional cause.

This makes sense. JPII plays to whoever his audience is. He's helpless when faithful Catholics plead with him to do something and he lauds the efforts of liberals and encourages them to be zealous and careful. (translated: do what you like)

In the Devastated Vineyard, Fr. Martin goes into a long critique of JPII's philosophical bent and finishes up with, "I'll tell you this, had it been known what this man's views were. He would not have been ordained a priest by Pius IX, X, XI or XII. If he were ordained they would've thrown him into a monastery. Much less would he have been made a bishop, much less a Cardinal and he wouldn't have gotten within an Ass's roar of the papacy!"


6 posted on 01/18/2005 1:24:28 PM PST by Gerard.P (If you've lost your faith, you don't know you've lost it. ---Fr. Malachi Martin R.I.P.)
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To: Catholic54321

later read


7 posted on 01/18/2005 1:28:14 PM PST by investigateworld (Babies= A sure sign He hasn't given up on mankind!)
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To: Gerard.P; Wessex; murphE; Viva Christo Rey; Canticle_of_Deborah; 26lemoncharlie; CouncilofTrent

Fr. Martin did indeed criticize the Pope for what he is responsible for - many, many times. He did make it very clear that - in many ways - the Pope is not, and increasingly so in the 90s - was not his own man.......yet clearly stated that JPII is RESPONSIBLE for what happens under his watch. For all that he consciously says & does, as well as what it said an done by his bishops - with or without his permission.

He must account - as we all must for our sins, bothe of COMMISSION and of OMISSION. The latter aspect is one which we all easliy forget. In raged to the Holy Father, this speaks volumes.

I can easily forgive him for making mistakes & errors of judgement - he, like me, is human, and has all the normal frailties which go with the human condition.

But that does not in any way abolve him of responsibility for what is done in his name, and what is done by his disobedient suborininants whom he appointed to office, and has done very little in fact to discipline in any real manner. In any effective manner.

He did very little real disciplining when he was younger, healthier, stronger, and in (somewhat) control of things. He certainly cannot reasonably be expected to do anything of consequence about things now, in sickness and old age - neing surrounded and cared for by persons who have for the large part forsworn the Catholic faith.

I am quite sure that he knows this. And, as Martin indicated, JPII now lives with this regret. Also the regret of further allowing the powers of the Petrine office to fall into disuse, and thereby become essentially moot for most Catholics - and even forgotten.

Such is his "purgatory upon earth".


8 posted on 01/18/2005 2:20:28 PM PST by thor76 (Vade retro, Draco! Crux sacra sit mihi lux !)
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To: thor76

Well said thor76.

Although, Fr Martin also pointed out many times that JPII's strength was always his patience and longevity, that was how he was able to outlast communism. His attitude has always been to bide his time and allow the enemy to destroy himself. Fr Martin thought that he was attempting to do exactly rhis in regards to the enemies within the Church. However, it became icreasingly clear that this approach would not work against a different enemy. Fr Martin became more and more outspoken on this matter before he died and indeed was very impatient towards JPII. He even had a private meeting with the Pope, "filling his eyes and ears" with the evidence of what was ocurring. He was rebuffed.

After this, he became increasingly apocolyptic, watching for signs in the heavens. It really seems to me that he hoped that we were in the end times, his sadness at the condition of the Church was unbearable.


9 posted on 01/18/2005 2:32:58 PM PST by Catholic54321
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To: Catholic54321

I would agree that Fr. Martin did indeed try personally, and via friends to inform and warn the Pope of the reality of what was going on - and was indeed rebuffed.

So, yes, it is true that the Pope had a plan, based upon his own mindset and former experieces in Poland which he thought would work.......and did not and are not working. It is a much different and all pervasive enemy he is battling. Unlike Poland, he does not have some 85% of his countrymen behind him.

Personally, I agree that he did indeed think that we are in the "end times" - the end of this age, not necessarily of he world. I happen to agree with him. He did indeed counsel Catholics to "watch the skies". That much is Scriptural - and very much on target, as we are seeing increasing signs in nature and in the heavens that all is not well.

Yes, he was very, very sad at the condition of the church. I will make the guess that much of his sadness is not so much at the decadence of the clergy (though that alone is cause for much weeping), but that of the slumber of the laity. They sleep long and deeply, and will not awaken.

The point being that if the leaders are corrupt, one would normally expect the common man to rise up in indignation and do something positive. That is certainly not happening - and what of it is happening is on a tragicly small scale.


10 posted on 01/18/2005 2:54:04 PM PST by thor76 (Vade retro, Draco! Crux sacra sit mihi lux !)
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To: thor76

Unfortunately, the Catholic "common man" seems to be a common frog swimming more or less contentedly in the boiling pot of the VATII church. The fires of heresy are turned up slowly...the water is nice and warm and nice and warm nice and warrrrmm...ZZZZZZZ. Say, anyone for frog soup?????


11 posted on 01/18/2005 3:47:08 PM PST by infidel dog (nearer my God to thee....)
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To: Wessex
But the Pope is sick .... or it is the fault of those around him ... or the bishops are not obedient ... or we live in difficult times ... or the Pope has a secret plan ...or ...
And in saying all this I have said enough for my purpose, because that purpose is to define our obligations to him. That is the point on which our Bishop has fixed our attention; "our obligations to the Holy See;" and what need I say more to measure our own duty to it and to him who sits in it, than to say that in his administration of Christ's kingdom, in his religious acts, we must never oppose his will, or dispute his word, or criticise his policy, or shrink from his side? There are kings of the earth who have despotic authority, which their subjects obey indeed but disown in their hearts; but we must never murmur at that absolute rule which the Sovereign Pontiff has over us, because it is given to him by Christ, and, in obeying him, we are obeying his Lord. We must never suffer ourselves to doubt, that, in his government of the Church, he is guided by an intelligence more than human. His yoke is the yoke of Christ, he has the responsibility of his own acts, not we; and to his Lord must he render account, not to us. Even in secular matters it is ever safe to be on his side, dangerous to be on the side of his enemies. Our duty is,—not indeed to mix up Christ's Vicar with this or that party of men, because he in his high station is above all parties,—but to look at his formal deeds, and to follow him whither he goeth, and never to desert him, however we may be tried, but to defend him at all hazards, and against all comers, as a son would a father, and as a wife a husband, knowing that his cause is the cause of God. And so, as regards his successors, if we live to see them; it is our duty to give them in like manner our dutiful allegiance and our unfeigned service, and to follow them also whithersoever they go, having that same confidence that each in his turn and in his own day will do God's work and will, which we have felt in their predecessors, now taken away to their eternal reward. (Ven. Cardinal Newman, Sermon on Oct. 7, 1866)

12 posted on 01/18/2005 4:28:52 PM PST by gbcdoj
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To: thor76
If I remember correctly, M.M. referred to JPII as the "last pope of these Catholic times." M.M. believed that the Catholic church, after JPII dies, will be something quite different. According to him, the real Church will be forced underground.
13 posted on 01/18/2005 4:37:19 PM PST by k omalley (Caro Enim Mea, Vere est Cibus, et Sanguis Meus, Vere est Potus)
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To: thor76; All

The idea that JPII "had a plan" for dealing with the Church's internal enemies is just as bogus as the other excuses made for the Pope--that he is too old and sick, that he doesn't really know what's going on, that he is a prisoner of the Vatican or of the system or of the new collegiality, that he is a theological genius without much talent for day-to-day administration, etc. But Assisi I was HIS idea. Many cardinals were shocked and protested. Some refused outright to have anything to do with it. He went ahead just the same, ignoring all criticism. To those who say Assisi I was a MISTAKE--how do they explain Assisi II? Obviously he believed in this sacrilegious event--so what are we to make of this? Why isn't he being called on it by the faithful? Is it too painful to think about?


14 posted on 01/18/2005 4:49:20 PM PST by ultima ratio (I)
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To: gbcdoj

Nice sermon for normal times when popes are Catholic. Wrong sermon to quote for the present crisis.

"If a future pope teaches anything contrary to the Catholic Faith, do not follow him." --Pius IX


15 posted on 01/18/2005 4:53:11 PM PST by ultima ratio (I)
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To: ultima ratio

"I am the only witness of Tradition" - Bl. Pius IX


16 posted on 01/18/2005 5:04:45 PM PST by gbcdoj
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To: gbcdoj

What is the context of your quote? On the surface it is meaningless, since all true Catholics are witnesses to Tradition.


17 posted on 01/18/2005 5:24:40 PM PST by ultima ratio (I)
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To: ultima ratio
What is the context of your quote?

What is the context of your quote? I see it passed around on the trad websites, but never is there an indication of where this letter can be found.

Bl. Pius IX was rebuking one of the Roman Cardinals, who had given a speech at the Council on infallibility. I will transcribe the passage from Dom Cuthbert Butler tomorrow.

18 posted on 01/18/2005 5:50:52 PM PST by gbcdoj
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To: gbcdoj

The context of my quote is irrelevant since the quote itself is unambiguous. Yours is highly ambiguous since no pope can literally be the whole of Tradition. Clearly there is some sort of figurative meaning implicit for it to make sense. As for your Newman quote--it is pious and true in normal times--but we are living in abnormal times with a pope who prays with animists while his Church is collapsing all around him. That is bizarre--and alarming. Clearly such heterodox behavior should not be imitated in any way whatsoever. Neither should it be ignored by Catholics--who are called upon to protect the faith above all else--especially when the hierarchy will not. I'm still waiting for people like you to admit the truth about this.


19 posted on 01/18/2005 6:55:19 PM PST by ultima ratio (I)
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It seems like your quote, gbcdoj, would make more sense if it was "I am only the witness of Tradition" rather than "I am the only witness of Tradition". Any chance that it was a simple error?
20 posted on 01/18/2005 7:15:12 PM PST by murphE ("I ain't no physicist, but I know what matters." - Popeye)
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