PROPHETIC SIGNS THAT WE ARE IN THE END TIMES [A good summary of SOME key evidences--QX]

CONTENDER MINISTRIES ^ | 11 JUL 2004 | JENNIFER RAST

[Quix]

Before you break your arm congratulating yourself on your cleverness . . .

I merely assumed that SOME of the others were likely to have SOMEWHAT similar perspectives

AND

be interested in calm fair-minded dialgoue about the issues.

Sheesh.

[Gamecock]

be interested in calm fair-minded dialgoue about the issues.

So why are you freaking iut when someone disagrees with you?

Oh, I know, fairminded dialgoue=everyone agrees with you!

[DocRock]

Holy Cow!

[Quix]

Having abundantly demonstrated that you have 0.000001% ability to construe my thinking or actions or writings remotely accurately,

you are heartily invited to go

chase a duck.

[Quix]

Thanks.

Great doc.

[Quix]

Should have said:

Great rock solid doc, Doc Rock!

[Quix]

BTW, given the FREEPMAILS I've received over the years about such threads, it's entirely reasonable to assume that the majority of the lurkers are NOT in the hostile camp.

Sheesh.

Your assumptions are showing as much as they are offensive and illogical.

[DocRock]

"The Jews are supposed to rebuild the Temple. So far it's not happening although they are trying."

Who's trying what?

http://www.templemountfaithful.org/

[Gamecock]

What is you take on the Gnostics?

[Quix]

A most interesting prophecy from much earlier in Church life . . . from this thread:

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The Prophecy

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1275467/posts

After the year 1900, toward the middle of the 20th century, the people of that time will become unrecognizable. When the time for the Advent of the Antichrist approaches, people's minds will grow cloudy from carnal passions, and dishonor and lawlessness will grow stronger. Then the world will become unrecognizable. People's appearances will change, and it will be impossible to distinguish men from women due to their shamelessness in dress and style of hair. These people will be cruel and will be like wild animals because of the temptations of the Antichrist.


There will be no respect for parents and elders, love will disappear, and Christian pastors, bishops, and priests will become vain men, completely failing to distinguish the right-hand way from the left.


At that time the morals and traditions of Christians and of the Church will change. People will abandon modesty, and dissipation will reign. Falsehood and greed will attain great proportions, and woe to those who pile up treasures. Lust, adultery, homosexuality, secret deeds and murder will rule in society. At that future time, due to the power of such great crimes and licentiousness, people will be deprived of the grace of the Holy Spirit, which they received in Holy Baptism and equally of remorse.


The Churches of God will be deprived of God-fearing and pious pastors, and woe to the Christians remaining in the world at that time; they will completely lose their faith because they will lack the opportunity of seeing the light of knowledge from anyone at all. Then they will separate themselves out of the world in holy refuges in search of lightening their spiritual sufferings, but everywhere they will meet obstacles and constraints.


And all this will result from the fact that the Antichrist wants to be Lord over everything and become the ruler of the whole universe, and he will produce miracles and fantastic signs. He will also give depraved wisdom to an unhappy man so that he will discover a way by which one man can carry on a conversation with another from one end of the earth to the other. At that time men will also fly through the air like birds and descend to the bottom of the sea like fish.


And when they have achieved all this, these unhappy people will spend their lives in comfort without knowing, poor souls, that it is deceit of the Antichrist. And, the impious one! -- he will so complete science with vanity that it will go off the right path and lead people to lose faith in the existence of God in three hypostases.


Then the All-good God will see the downfall of the human race and will shorten the days for the sake of those few who are being saved, because the enemy wants to lead even the chosen into temptation, if that is possible... then the sword of chastisement will suddenly appear and kill the perverter and his servants.

[Quix]

PROPHETIC, DREAMS, VISIONS, END TIMES PING LIST PING TO AN INTERESTING PROPHECY FROM AROUND THE YEARS 398-403

AT THE REFERRED TO POST ABOVE.

THX

[Quix]

ANOTHER FASCINATING AND SOBERING BIT OF INPUT:

From: "Meri Burlingame"

Subject: stuff to think about

Just passing on a few things on occasion for some of you to consider....I don't know where to put all this..but this and Sandford and Shawn Boltz...that is a lot of "confirmation"....requires lot of quietness and prayer. Meri

Alert......call to prayer over 11:11 . That is this Thursday at 11 o'clock am

By Sara DeMeulenaere

Calling those who can come to the Freedom Flame in Des Moines one block straight east of the capital building.

There we will pray over the nation on the huge flat globe on the ground with a 20ft. Flame coming out of the north pole. This location is the WWII memorial and is used for prophetic prayer over the earth by my teams and others ... There will be reading , prayer and doing a couple of prophetic acts there right at 11 o'clock am this Thurs. Bring your shofars as we will blow over the symbols of our nation from there.

Why...... you may ask.....since we just won the election only one week ago...! Aren't we going to be free from all these stressors now?

Well, for three years I have been, as many others in the body of Christ.. given this date and an alarm bell goes off every time we hear of it. From Jill Austin to myself, 11:11 has been given as a constant reminder of the encroaching enemy that is waiting for the right moment to strike America.

Three times this week alone, the Lord has put it in front of me boldly in flashing it on the clock, putting it in red letters on a page, or other means to get me to respond to getting people to go to the Freedom Flame as I have done now the third year in a row to pray and make proclamations over our nation and our state from there.

This week is also part of the Muslim High Holy month, they are praying for another supper strike and are in a fast and prayer mounted strategy to turn our minds to other things to keep us from focusing on the more hidden agenda's that we are facing. Tomorrow night (wed.) they call the night of power as it is to empower the people to be martyrs of their faith.

One major one is that the proponents of the New world order status are livid right now, at the loss of the election and the pushing back of their agenda to take the US under the UN's strong arm and are already devising a plan to throw us into a financial crisis.

Men like George Soros verbally spoke to this very issue last month while in Des Moines. As others asked his timetable to initiate the world order coming in....He made direct inference that it must come very soon now....and stated, "I must intervene in Mr. Bush's running of this nation."

People cheered and those with him spoke of their mounting military personnel forming a new international coalition of ambasserial and military personnel together to represent the new order that is coming into place soon.

Christians WAKE UP......we are very naive to say the least....and I have uncovered several things that show the subversive agenda's coming into place around the nation today. Many are being orchestrated right here in Iowa.....

One thing many are not aware of is, the Stock Market is the major target and without anyone to stop the man....Mr. Soros has broken several national currencies in smaller nations in order to flex his muscles on seeing just how he could control governments without being caught or truly detected.

It is an extortionist mentality to force governments to concede to demands of shifting policies to favor his running political directions of the Nations. His self proclaimed goal is to initiate open societies and he has started multi level and dimensional tax free organizations that will accommodate this work initiating the new world orders agenda over the US.

He pulled this same short fuse over Great Britain, when I was living there several years ago when he manipulated the buying of stocks and made billions of dollars instigate unrest in the nation and it threw a huge furor into the EU against England. They were furious, but did nothing about it as Mr. Soros has so many behind him. He is totally the man behind the scenes to bring down international economic stability.

He is planning on this now in America and it is said...that if he tries this....by Jan....our currency will drop so drastically in the world markets, it will start a major depression and an ensuing crisis will follow. Republican president or not.....Economic upheavals will bring the nation to our knees and invite a spiral of events to thrust us into the greatest vulnerability for take over that we have ever had in our lifetime.

As God gives us signals to watch...and the whole corporate sector is running scared right now, we the Christian community are now sitting down on what seems to be easy street for another four years....... That could not be further from the truth. We are to wake up CHURCH and get back onto the wall....before it upon us.

Another Note on this weeks interesting history:

This very week, 66 years ago....we were taken into a new and profound place in history as the Nazi's on one memorable night attacked the Jewish communities in one area of Germany and in the midst of it there were hundreds killed , 30,000 taken off to concentration camps, synagogues burned, shop windows smashed, goods looted and businesses taken. Their lives were snuffed out in one fail swoop and it started the scourge of Hitlers rampage through Germany and Europe as Jewish communities lived in both denial and terror of things to come while they attempted to live the normal life of their day amidst circumstances out of their control.

It is not impossible for that scenario to happen once again. And we are hearing of the grace coming, yet the subtle words and warning I have been getting very often is not one of sitting down now, but to raise up and take the land. Thus we stand in another November 11th week right now to pray that God thwart the plans of the enemy in our nation once again.

God is calling us to not only the wall.....but to stand up and speak....bringing the prophets forth to give the charge of the light brigade of truth..... Stand with us this Thursday....be ready , be in tune and join in the fight for the Lord's army AMEN !!!

AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! LET US PRAY. LET US STAND. LET US SPEAK.

[ladyinred]

Holy Cow? :-) I did know about that particular cow, but I think I heard since that it was a hoax, but I am not sure.

[ladyinred]

Soros is an evil man, and your post about his intent to manipulate the currency is frightening. He couldn't take down the President through the election process, so we can be sure he will try other means. Shudder!

[marbren]

I think Gog Magog invasion happens after rapture but before the tribulation. maybe 2 years? Maybe the antichrist signs the treaty with Israel because he witnessed God's protection of his people.

[1john2 3and4]

Hiya Quix!

My exhortation to you would be to look to the plain words in the Bible. Not that dreams, visions, signs, etc. are NOT valid....it's just that these things are too often used by the adversary to confuse....remember the faux pearl analogy?
I appreciate your persistence in the face of much resistance. For opening yourself up to the personal attack, so to speak. Quite often I read things from others in response to your postings that indicate that they are somehow reacting to - let us say, hubris - on your part.

I would speak in your defense, here, as I have experienced disagreement with you on various issues. NO WHERE AT ANY TIME have you exhibited ungraciousness. In fact, I have found you to be quite open to learning....prayerfully & honestly considering 'new light'.

You're the one who more often than not, asks for kindness & consideration on these threads.....requesting (& exhibiting) a sort-of 'patient open-mindedness'. I don't know why some seem to put off by your tone....and I don't mean to 'shine you' here....it may be that you need to be more careful of others' defenses....I don't know...Hey! We could ALL use more Holy Spirit light in our lives, right?

To the point of the thread, I tend to be distrustful....wary of dreams, visions, etc. At the risk of grabbing your thread off in another direction, I would ask (regarding clear statements in the Bible!):

Why does Daniel 7:25's plain description NOT cause more 'wonderment'?
I do not agree that what we need to know to discern truth is hidden, as some suggest. Some things are, yes....the exact time of his coming for instance. There is enough there, "correctly divided", to see the character of the final apostasy. (i know, i know, it's that correctly divided thing that gets us isnt it?)
God Bless you Quix.

[the-ironically-named-proverbs2]

3. RETURN OF THE ONE PURE LANGUAGE, HEBREW, TO ISRAEL
Zephaniah 3:9 "For then I will return to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the Lord, to serve him with one consent."
Prior to the restoration of Israel in 1948, Hebrew was a dead language. Now Hebrew is spoken throughout Israel.

I believe we are in the last days also, but I become discouraged with fellow Christians who try so hard to force events to fit their notion of fulfillment of prophecy. I could pick apart this article piece by piece but I think that would be counter productive (and I don't have the time). All I can say is that if one calls himself/herself a Christian, they had better prepare for the ultimate spiritual battle as the end of the "age" aproaches. And the key to that is knowing God's Word. How about some context to go along with the above? Go and read the whole book of Zephaniah. The subject of the whole book is the Day of the Lord. Here is a passage which contains the above verse.

Zeph 3:1-15
1 Woe to her that is filthy and polluted, to the oppressing city! [the harlot/whore]
2 She obeyed not the voice; she received not correction; she trusted not in the LORD; she drew not near to her God.
3 Her princes within her are roaring lions; her judges are evening wolves; they gnaw not the bones till the morrow.
4 Her prophets are light and treacherous persons: her priests have polluted the sanctuary, they have done violence to the law.
5 The just LORD is in the midst thereof; he will not do iniquity: every morning doth he bring his judgment to light, he faileth not; but the unjust knoweth no shame.
6 I have cut off the nations: their towers are desolate; I made their streets waste, that none passeth by: their cities are destroyed, so that there is no man, that there is none inhabitant.
7 I said, Surely thou wilt fear me, thou wilt receive instruction; so their dwelling should not be cut off, howsoever I punished them: but they rose early, and corrupted all their doings.
8 Therefore wait ye upon me, saith the LORD, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for my determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them mine indignation, even all my fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy.
9 For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent.
10 From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia my suppliants, even the daughter of my dispersed, shall bring mine offering.
11 In that day shalt thou not be ashamed for all thy doings, wherein thou hast transgressed against me: for then I will take away out of the midst of thee them that rejoice in thy pride, and thou shalt no more be haughty because of my holy mountain.
12 I will also leave in the midst of thee an afflicted and poor people, and they shall trust in the name of the LORD.
13 The remnant of Israel shall not do iniquity, nor speak lies; neither shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth: for they shall feed and lie down, and none shall make them afraid.
14 Sing, O daughter of Zion; shout, O Israel; be glad and rejoice with all the heart, O daughter of Jerusalem.
15 The LORD hath taken away thy judgments, he hath cast out thine enemy: the king of Israel, even the LORD, is in the midst of thee: thou shalt not see evil any more.

Who is going to argue the point that the nation of Israel of today is the fulfillment of this prophecy? Here is why it's clear to me that we are living in the end of the "last days":

Amos 8:11-12
11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:
12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.

OT:8085
shama` (shaw-mah'); a primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively, to tell, etc.):

[topcat54]

This site is registered to a Christian church in Florida. I was hoping to get some official take on the effort to rebuild the temple, rather than a Christian Zionist perspective.

[DocRock]

"This site is registered to a Christian church in Florida. I was hoping to get some official take on the effort to rebuild the temple, rather than a Christian Zionist perspective."

Sorry, I thought you asked "Who's trying what?" in post #30.

[topcat54]

I was asking:

"The Jews are supposed to rebuild the Temple. So far it's not happening although they are trying."

Who's trying what?

My question was in reference to "although they are trying". I was wondering who "they" are. This site doesn't tell me much about the "Temple Mount and Land of Israel Movement". Is this one guy's vision? Does Israel have any official work going on to restore the temple?