Posted on 06/17/2004 8:34:06 PM PDT by Quix
God Is Coming Like The Niagara Falls
by Kathie Walters
Web:
www.goodnews.netministries.org/kathie.htm
Email:
Kathiewalters@mindspring.com
THIS COMING MOVE OF GOD may be not as you think.
Several years ago I was in a meeting in Orlando. During the worship I was asking the Lord what to preach about, and He told me "Romans 6 - you WERE crucified with Christ." Almost immediately I was taken up in the Spirit and wasn't able to move in any way, and I couldn't even open my eyelids.
I could hear the music of the pianist, and the next thing I felt was something strongly swirling all around my legs, just below my knees. Then I seemed to be standing in water which was rushing and swirling around me. In front of me about an 1/8th of a mile away was Niagara Falls. It was loud, roaring, and the water falling, as you know if you been visited there, was very intense - thousands of tons of water per minute.
I was being drawn toward it like a magnet, but inside I was trying to pull back. "How would you like to get under that?" the Lord asked me. "Well, I would die for sure," I replied. "Not if you're dead already," the Lord seemed to laugh. In fact I saw Him, and He tossed His head back, and He did laugh, like a victory laugh.
I could hear my friend, Joy Strang, introduce me, but I was unable to respond. After a little while, the anointing lifted, and I was "unfrozen," so I ministered the word I had. I didn't think of it very often until we were in Rochester, NY, a couple of months ago.
Bob Jones had prophesied several years ago that we would be involved in a move of the Spirit in Rochester among the young people. There was also a connection to Niagara Falls.
100 Angels Guarding Niagara Falls
There was a powerful move of God in Rochester - and there was an Angel who came from Niagara Falls. There are 100 Angels who are guarding that portal at Niagara. I believe 100 is a battalion. While I was there in Rochester, I went up and visited Niagara. I remembered what the Lord had showed me about the Falls, and how the move of the Spirit that was coming would be like Niagara.
Smith Wigglesworth prayed that God would pour out His spirit like that. Many people have had visions of Niagara being a type of the next and last great move of the Spirit.
The weekend after Rochester, I was home, and so I had a whole day on Saturday to just wait on God. Sure enough in the morning, the fire of God came, and the presence of the Lord filled the room. I asked the Lord about this move - this Niagara move.
Then I was suddenly standing in that water again, but this time it was MUCH CLOSER. It also wasn't scary because I remembered that the Lord had laughed the last time I had seen it.
It seemed to be almost a matter of feet away this time. I was expecting to go under it, but suddenly, a chariot came down and scooped me up. I was taken up over the Falls, and I could hear the sound of the water. As I looked down, I saw the tremendous power of that water and felt the spray of it.
The Move Is Called GREAT GRACE
Then I found myself in a meeting. I had been praying, and people were standing in the front. The Presence of the Lord was great. The perfume of the Lord was all over, as it is now as I type. And then the Lord released a new Angel into my ministry. I already have an Angel assigned to the ministry who has a glass of red wine, but this new Angel had a purse and put some gold coins into some peoples' hands.
The Angels are sent to minister to the heirs of salvation - personally, and also, they work in your ministry. I kept asking the Lord, "What is it then? What does this move look like really?"
Driving through Atlanta, He suddenly said, "Its called 'GREAT GRACE', a revelation of the great grace and love of God."
He showed me that He will pour out His grace and love upon His Body, and it will wash away the religious concepts and bondages and spirits that rob God's children of a true revelation of the Father's great love. The lack of revelation of the grace and mercy and love of God makes God's people feel they don't qualify to receive their inheritance.
The Supernatural Ought To Be A Normal Part Of Our Lives
The inheritance Jesus left us - the realm of the Spirit, the supernatural realm, the angels, and heavenly visitations - are meant to be a normal part of our lives. He wants us to be free of all the heaviness. "His yoke is easy and His burden is light and delightful, it is not hard and neither is it heavy (Greek NT)". He wants us full of His light and carried away by His love and His sweetness.
He desires for us to be strong in the Spirit, taking dominion over the powers of darkness yet at the same time totally enamored by His beauty. His desire is toward you. He loves with a passionate and unchanging love. "He is going to present you faultless before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy," as Jude says.
The last few months, the chariots of God have been coming into the meetings and taking people up in them and showing them what God is doing in other places and giving them heavenly visitations. I have noticed the love of God getting stronger and stronger along with the perfumes of the Lord...and the honey and oil and healing and deliverances. The love of God washes away fear and bondage and sickness. It washes away condemnation, guilt, and heartache. "His love has no limit, His grace has no measure, His power has no boundaries known unto men, but out of His infinite riches in Jesus, He gives and gives and gives again."
Well, friend, this Niagara move is drawing closer. Let it fall over you and flow through you. When we get caught up in His marvelous presence, all else fades away. Things that have consumed us get left behind in the amazing wonder of His loving kindness. Niagara is coming - it is close - closer than you think. You are being drawn by His love and His power. His Love will change you into His image, and you will sing and speak out and testify to His goodness. There have been many words and visions given and released from time to time on the 17th of a given month.
by Kathie Walters
Web:
www.goodnews.netministries.org/kathie.htm
Email:
Kathiewalters@mindspring.com
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Warning about subscribing to the ELIJAH LIST. His emails include tons and tons of ads for CD's etc. Good materials. And, he insists he's supporting many single mothers and children through his efforts. Still, it's realllllly irritating to print an email and have half of it be his ads--even in the printer friendly version. I have dialogued with him and with his wife about it. He will not change. The best one can do is copy and paste into Word before printing.
If her prophecies don't come to pass, will you still believe her?
I think she's pretty safe on that one.
The timing is another issue. We shall see how soon.
But I'm convinced myself that God has scheduled such things.
I have grown weary of so many generalized spiritual platitude prophetic messages I don't even read many very often any more.
But this one struck me different in my spirit. So, I shared it.
Suit yourself on your assessment of it.
She doesn't seem to be any different than the other so-called "prophets" out there making general statements that are vague at best.
God is precise.
God is not always precise. Scripture is full of plenty of generalized prophecies that are only clear after the fact--much like the Bible Codes, BTW.
WHEN IT SUITS HIM, God is precise.
We will see the same thing in modern prophecies ****WHEN**** ****HE**** DECIDES IT'S TIME TO RACHET THE ACCURACY AND PRECISION UP.
Narrow biases are as prone to missing God as is lack of discernment, imho.
I'd suppose he would.
Me too.
But it's still nice when someone else has a similar impression!
God is always precise, because you don't comprehend His precision doesn't negate it, it just means you don't comprehend it.
The so-called "Biblic-codes" are nothing more than a fraud, and anyone who believes that fraud is deceived and lacking in discernment.
Perhaps some day I'll bother to provide you with a list of Scriptural prophecies which were/are far from precise.
Your statement on the Bible Codes makes clear you have either not read the latest research or do not comprehend it or have such fierce closed-minded biases on it that no facts would enlighten you.
The Bible Codes pass CHRIST'S OWN STANDARD CRITERIA FOR DISCERNING SPIRITS in that they declare the basic doctrines of the faith about Christ coming in the flesh, being Lord of Lords and King of Kings etc. If you wish to argue with Christ Himself on such matters, help yourself. But I wouldn't recommend it.
I know the facts about the "codes" and they totally expose the "codes" to be a fabrication and false.
Anyone who believes that nonsense will fall for just about anything.
Next you'll tell me that Benny Hinn(false prophet) is a great man of God, when he is a worker of darkness.
Have you read the latest research comparing WAR AND PEACE in Hebrew with the Torah?
How could you possibly explain to yourself something so inherently part and parcel of the written text of Scripture as being anything other than Holy Spirit breathed?
Sure requires more mental gymnastics than I can manage, IF ONE REALLY KNOWS AND UNDERSTANDS THE FACTS.
Don't be ascibing something to the Holy Spirit that isn't.
The so-called "codes" are a fabrication of men, meant to deceive.
I'm extremely careful what I ascribe to Holy Spirit.
You continue to show that you have relatively little knowledge of the Codes. There's no way human mentalities and understanding could have embedded the Codes in the warp and woof of Holy Scripture.
And I can't imagine God allowing satan to have done so.
Your postulations make 0.00000000000% sense, to me.
This is a pretty outrageously nonsensical statement.
When the Codes touch on doctrinal matters at all, THEY ARE STRICTLY ORTHODOX, EXTREMELY BIBLICAL IN ALL RESPECTS.
One is reminded of Christ's reply when He was accused of casting out demons by satan's power.
Sigh.
It seems clear from your responses that you have
NOT read the latest solid research study comparing WAR AND PEACE in Hebrew with Scripture in extensive Code analysis of the statistical criteria for valid Codes etc.
Actually, it increasingly sounds like you have very little knowledge and understanding of them at all.
On the other hand if you are suggesting that there is some secret message system using equidistant letter sequencing to uncover hidden prophecies and other such nonsense, then I dare say that there is no truth to your theory. Most of the people who championed the idea of messages found in equidisant letter sequencing have looked at the research and found that not only does the Bible have these so-called hidden messages, but so do every singe piece of literature over 100 pages long. If you still subscribe to this nonsense, then you have not looked carefully at the research. Those who have almost universally have decided that the ELS method of finding secret messages is nothing more than hokum.
They are not secret messages, they are random and coincidental. God does not work through random or conincidental methods. His messages are not hidden in ways that only a computer can uncover. His messages are only hidden from those who REFUSE to look at them. If they are hidden, they are hidden in plain site.
Evidently your understanding of the Bible Codes is behind the research curve.
The whole thing is in it's infancy. Criteria have racheted up rapidly.
The most recent, best designed study comparing WAR AND PEACE in Hebrew with The Scriptures is very clear.
Any long Hebrew text can produce 'codes' to a certain length. However, the Scriptures have produced Codes double or more the best length from other texts--CONSISTENTLY.
There are other features of things found in the Scriptures which are not found at all in other long Hebrew texts.
The Codes are consistent with Scripture about the basic doctrines--the deity of Christ, His Virgin Birth, His coming in the Flesh, His resurrection etc. The Biblical criteria is that SUCH ASSERTIONS MUST COME VIA HOLY SPIRIT as Christ gave that criteria Himself for discerning spirits.
There are some Codes which so far defy a tidy statistical way to compare them. But, they have not been duplicated in other long Hebrew texts. Some of these kinds of features are:
1) Codes crossing key words of the Code with key words of the Surface text about the same topic.
2) Clusters of shorter codes which would not, in terms of the LATEST criteria, qualify as statistically significant but which are all consistent with each other and with the key passage in the surface text which the central Code in the cluster crosses key words of.
3) Beautifully artistic clusters of codes. In at least one case, with Crosses--as I recall--dozens of them in a fairly tight cluster and I think there was a surface Text verse also about the cross that a key Code in that cluster crossed.
To my knowledge such features and more have not been found in any lengthy Hebrew text but the Scriptures.
I don't think The Codes are more than God having fun--the foolishness of God being greater than the wisdom of man. I think God is laughing watching man's reactions. I think it is His supernatural exclamation point to the surface text and to His timeless majesty, power etc.
I personally await much more vividly significant codes which will buttress end time events. I just don't think it's God's time yet for them to be revealed. As I don't think it's God's time yet for us to have some Biblical prophecies all figured out.
The closed mindedness and often blind fierceness about the Codes is more than unfortunate. It's sad, unnecessary and virtually always from inadequate to no solid info or understanding about the Codes--especially about the latest stage of the research.
And the fuzzy headed thinking expounded about them is mind boggling in and of itself, imho.
Hebrew doesn't have vowels in written form. Therefore, the vowels have to be added by the fools who believe equidistant lettering sequences allowing them to have that false "code" say anything they want.
I especially love the moronic hidden "code" about Rabin's assassination that the "code experts" found said, "Bang-Bang/Rabin".
Think on this one:
2 Thessalonians 2;
9The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
The EDL "codes" are a lie, a BIG lie.
True about the vowels.
allowing them to have that false "code" say anything they want.
And, this statement shows your ignorance of the process. Some of the best Hebrew scholars available are involved in asserting what the Hebrew says. If there is ambiguity, both options are given. There's rarely much ambiguity and it usually is over simply two common ways of saying something. When it's any change in meaning, both options are given and the reasoning for both are given.
You make it sound like a linguistic free-for-all. That's a deception and a lie. If your assertion were true, children learning Hebrew would take much longer--like Chinese Children learning their characters--at least 10 years.
I especially love the moronic hidden "code" about Rabin's assassination that the "code experts" found said, "Bang-bang Rabin."
I guess you've never had sufficient illustration of God's humor in the original languages of Scripture. Or perhaps, haughtiness is considered by you an aid to understanding.
As I've said many times, I think the Codes are part of God's fun period. And they are particularly part of God's fun with unbelievers but also with some believers. The foolishness of God is truly greater than the wisdom of man. And I've seen it more in the Code phenomena than ever before.
According to--it turns out--John's CRITERIA:
1st John 4:1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,
You can choose to ignore The Bible on this point, if you wish. But it's still an excellent SCRIPTURAL guideline, criteria.
And on this point, the Bible Codes are quite SCRIPTURALLY clear as they are QUITE SCRIPTURAL on all the points of basic doctrine.
This should be no surprise. How could anything such an inherently integral part of the cells and fibers of Scripture be any LESS??????!!!!!
I don't think God intended the Codes to be anything other than embellishment on His Majesty. They are certainly not necessary for Salvation though they have led some agnostic and Jewish scholars into a Saving knowledge of Jesus--another clue to their Authorship. I still think they are primarily God's fun and an added clue that men everywhere ought to believe--a slight added REASON, EVIDENCE for faith without 'forcing' faith.
You are certainly able to follow Paul in his 'kicking against the pricks' era, if you wish. I still wouldn't recommend it.
In due course, you will be proven even MORE ABUNDANTLY, exceedingly wrong. And there's no need of it. The evidence is already quite Biblicly thick in many respects.
But personally, I prefer to join God's evident fun with them. They are graphically beautiful in many cases. They are intellectually fun. And they are CERTAINLY SCRIPTURAL in an awesome, majestic way. Wonderously, they affirm Christ's words and the prophecies about Him. They affirm His deity.
And, they are just a kick to learn about.
Where can I get a quick introduction to the basics of Bible codes?
HERE: http://www.biblecodedigest.com/page.php/24
for answers to such essential questions as, “What are Bible codes?”, “What is an example of such a code in an English text?”, “Why have Bible codes been controversial?” and “For what people or events have proponents claimed there were clusters of Bible codes?”
Who Publishes Bible Code Digest?
The Isaac Newton Bible Code Research Society was formed to conduct research of the Hebrew Bible for a variety of statistically-relevant anomalies, including encoded phrases and letter frequency variances. The Society publishes Bible Code Digest, an on-line newsletter, and a web site with news of the findings of its researchers and others in the field, and conducts seminars on the subject.
Who Heads Up Bible Code Digest?
HERE: http://www.biblecodedigest.com/page.php/27
For details about the people and behind the web site and newsletter.
If You Have a Basic Understanding of Bible Codes, and Want Bottom-Line Answers to the Key Questions, Read On
What has been the main response of skeptics to the claims of code proponents?
“Similar kinds of codes can be found in any book.”
Are the skeptics right?
Definitely not. All the skeptics showed was that very simple clusters of short codes can be found in any book. The examples they provided from Moby Dick and War and Peace were fairly comparable to many of the simpler published examples, but they are seriously out of date. Some proponents’ recently discovered clusters of Bible codes are so complex and extensive that they really couldn’t be a coincidence. The most extensive cluster of Bible codes found to date (the Isaiah 53 cluster) is vastly more complex and improbable than the most extensive cluster found in any book other than the Bible. There really is no comparison.
[QX NOTE: the original link resulted in mostly a blank page. This link results in a list of major code scholars and a detractor or 2].
HERE: http://www.biblecodedigest.com/page.php/26
What has been the main response of skeptics to the claims of code proponents?
“Similar kinds of codes can be found in any book.”
Are the skeptics right?
Definitely not. All the skeptics showed was that very simple clusters of short codes can be found in any book. The examples they provided from Moby Dick and War and Peace were fairly comparable to many of the simpler published examples, but they are seriously out of date. Some proponents’ recently discovered clusters of Bible codes are so complex and extensive that they really couldn’t be a coincidence. The most extensive cluster of Bible codes found to date (the Isaiah 53 cluster) is vastly more complex and improbable than the most extensive cluster found in any book other than the Bible. There really is no comparison.
[QX NOTE: The original link resulted in mostly a blank page. The following link is to a document about the later research study showing there’s really no comparison. I hope to post it as the 2nd doc after this one.]
Isn’t it true that there is no limit to the number of ELSs that can be found in the Bible?
Though very large, the total number of ELSs in the Hebrew Bible is actually quite limited. In fact, it is a bit less than 20.2 trillion. That’s in the same ballpark with the Gross National Product of the United States.
Couldn’t you find relevant ELSs about any topic if you looked long enough in any text?
It heavily depends on how long the ELSs are. If the ELS is eight or less letters long, it is almost certain we will find it somewhere within the Hebrew Bible at some skip. If it is 10 or more letters long, it is unlikely we will find it anywhere. And the longer it is, the more unlikely it is that we will find it anywhere. For example, if it is 15 letters long, the odds are 1 in 1.3 billion against finding it anywhere in the Hebrew Bible. If it is 20 letters long, the odds are 1 in 9,621 trillion against finding it anywhere. This is why the longest codes discovered are so exceedingly significant.
So what makes the difference between a coincidental and a highly improbable cluster?
The coincidental one will only have ELSs that are eight or fewer letters long. The highly improbable cluster will have a number of ELSs that are 10 or more letters long. The longer the ELSs the better, and the more long ELSs in the cluster the better. How close together or spread out the ELSs are is also a factor.
Is this distinction illustrated by comparing the Isaiah 53 and the Hanukah clusters?
Yes. Dramatically so, as detailed in our
[Qx note: the original link resulted in a blank page. The following link lists links to a number of different pages regarding the HANNUKAH CLUSTER]:
HERE: http://www.biblecodedigest.com/search.php
the Hanukah cluster only consists of seven ELSs and the longest one is seven letters long. The Isaiah 53 cluster includes over 1,200 ELSs and 19 of them are 10 or more letters long. The ten longest ELSs are 22, 21, 19, 19, 18, 17, 16, 16, 15, and 14 letters long, respectively. There is no comparison.
Couldn’t codes about Jesus have been embedded in the text after he lived?
No. The Hebrew Bible was completed between 100 and 400 years before Christ lived. The Dead Sea Scrolls provide copies of nearly all of the Hebrew Bible that date back to many decades before Jesus was born.
What clusters other than Isaiah 53 are significant?
Extensive clusters of ELSs about Christ have also been discovered in Psalms 21-23 and Proverbs 14-18 as well as sections of Genesis and Exodus. Highly improbable, though not as extensive, clusters have been discovered about the Holocaust in Genesis 8 and in three sections of Deuteronomy.
Are all codes real?
Certainly not. Many codes are just coincidental. A real code must be intentional. Some Bible code examples and phenomena are so improbable that chance should be ruled out as a reasonable explanation, and we should conclude that they were intentional.
How can you know for certain whether or not a particular code is intentional?
You can’t. There’s always some chance, however small, that the code could be coincidental. Like other codebreakers, Bible code analysts use statistics to help them evaluate codes. We can know “beyond a shadow of a doubt” that a given code was intentional if statistical analysis shows that the odds of its chance occurrence are extremely small (e.g., less than 1 in a trillion).
Can you know for certain that a code cluster is predominantly real?
Yes. If the odds of the combined cluster appearing by chance are extremely small (say, less than 1 in a trillion times a trillion), then chance should be ruled out.
Why would God give us codes we can’t understand?
That is an excellent question. Some of the codes we turn up are easily understood, but some of them -- especially the longer ones -- are difficult to interpret. In fact, we believe that some of them are imparting several unconnected thoughts.
After giving this a great deal of consideration, we have decided that since we are on the cutting edge of this research, we will simply not be able to comprehend a lot of what we find. Eventually, we (or other researchers) will be able to put it all together. The longer codes may be combined with numerics, three-dimensional ELSs, parallel codes, or other disciplines that have not yet been applied to them. In truth, the sky is the limit.
A fair comparison is the surface text of the Bible itself. To someone unfamiliar with it, the text is strange and incomprehensible. Parts of the book of Revelation, for instance, are difficult to understand even for those who read the Bible daily. And yet down through the centuries, researchers have unlocked the great truths of the Bible and how they all fit together.
And if the message of a code is mysterious, perhaps God wants us to focus on the existence of messages as opposed to their specific content.
Our philosophy is based on the Old Testament verse that reads, “It is the glory of God to conceal a matter . . .” (Proverbs 25:2)
What major contribution have skeptics made to code research?
They have helped people to understand that if someone presents only a few short codes, all they have done is come up with something you could pull out of almost any book. That’s clearly worth knowing, for otherwise people might to jump from some simple code example to highly unwarranted conclusions. Such abuses should be avoided if at all possible.
What is your view of the statement by 55 mathematicians that there is no substance to the codes?
The petition signed by 55 professors was a statement of opinion based on their review of the state of Bible code research as of about 1997. Many findings have been made since then that are far more improbable than anything published at that time. Consequently, the petition is seriously out of date.
HERE: http://www.biblecodedigest.com/page.php/57
for more on this topic.
Do the codes have anything to do with Biblical numerology or kabbalah?
No. One kabbalistic device, the “cipher disk,” was adopted by cryptologists looking for a way to break codes in the middle ages of Europe. This forerunner to the German Enigma machine of World War II is the only connection between codes and the mystical offshoot of Judaism known as kabbalah. There is no direct connection between kabbalah and Bible codes.
Are abuses of the codes a good reason to dismiss the whole thing?
The Bible has often been misused. Is that a reason to reject it? Of course not. Various dubious code practices are analogous to the bad practice of quoting Bible verses out of context. The cure isn’t to throw the whole thing out, but to approach it correctly. Much education is needed. Over time, the difference between proper, in-depth research and naïve or self-serving misuse will become evident.
Can Bible codes be used to predict the future or to discover new truths?
No. Here are six reasons: 1) Codes are typically open to multiple interpretations since the text used has no vowels or syntax markings and Hebrew is a very terse language. 2) We often can’t be sure where spaces between words should be. 3) There is no assurance that the code(s) comprise the whole message. 4) It might just be a coincidence. 5) Clusters about different events could simply overlap, so how could we be certain that just because two codes were close to one another, they must be related. 6) Finally, copying errors by ancient scribes, or changes in spelling conventions, may have changed the spacing a bit, creating some unintended ELSs. If codes provided a message that contradicted the literal text, it would be foolish to accept its content as preferable—given all of the uncertainties just cited.
[QX NOTE: I think the above reasons are mostly chaff. I believe most codes are AS CRYPTIC AS SOME BIBLICAL SURFACE PROPHECIES ARE—and which have similarly been obscure and hard to decipher until after the event. I personally suspect there will be some Codes which will eventually predict things amazingly clearly and accurately. We shall see. But I don’t think that prediction is their purpose, per se. I still think they are primarily God having fun showing his TIMELESS POWER AND MAJESTY.]
What valid purpose(s) could Bible codes serve?
They could possibly serve as a source of authentication of the Bible—that it was written by an intelligence far greater than that of any human being—who knew the future when it was written. Codes could also serve as evidence in clarifying the meaning of various literal passages. For example, if something had been prophesied in a given passage, and there is uncertainty as to whether or not some subsequent event was a fulfillment of that prophecy, the existence of an extremely improbable cluster of codes about that event (or person) might serve as supporting evidence.
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