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McNabb Worse than Mediocre as Eagles Survive Skins 27-25
espn.com ^ | Oct. 5, 2003 | ESPN.com

Posted on 10/05/2003 6:02:10 PM PDT by litany_of_lies

Eagles 27, Skins 25

PHILADELPHIA (AP) -- The Philadelphia Eagles wouldn't let the Washington Redskins pull out another close victory.

Patrick Ramsey overthrew Laveranues Coles on a 2-point conversion with 13 seconds left, and the Eagles beat the Redskins 27-25 on Sunday.

Ramsey rallied Washington from an 11-point deficit in the final 3:10, connecting with Darnerien McCants on a 32-yard touchdown pass in the final seconds.

But under pressure from Brandon Whiting, Ramsey hurried his throw to Coles in the corner of the end zone and the ball sailed over Coles' head.

After John Hall's fourth field goal, a 53-yarder, cut it to 27-19, the Redskins' Bryan Johnson recovered an onside kick at Washington's 43 with 1:13 left. Ramsey then drove the Redskins 57 yards in five plays.

Defensive end N.D. Kalu returned an interception 15 yards for a go-ahead TD and Brian Westbrook had a 19-yard TD run for the Eagles.

The Eagles (2-2) won for the first time at Lincoln Financial Field after opening the season with consecutive losses at their new stadium.

Washington (3-2) fell to 1-7 against NFC East teams under Steve Spurrier. All the Redskins' games have been decided by three points or less.

Playing without three Pro Bowl players in their secondary, the Eagles held Coles and Rod Gardner to just five catches combined in the first 57 minutes. Free safety Brian Dawkins (foot) and cornerback Bobby Taylor (foot) missed their third straight games. And cornerback Troy Vincent sat out with a hamstring injury.

Donovan McNabb completed 16 of 30 passes for 157 yards and his first TD of the season. He was intercepted twice. Ramsey finished 25-of-50 for 271 yards, one TD, two interceptions and one TD rushing.

This was McNabb's first game since conservative commentator Rush Limbaugh made comments about him that ignited a weeklong firestorm. Limbaugh said on last week's ESPN's "Sunday NFL Countdown" that McNabb was overrated because the media wanted to see a black quarterback succeed.

McNabb said he did not mind criticism of his performance but was upset that Limbaugh made race an issue. The remarks forced Limbaugh to resign from the show.

Kalu, a former Redskin, broke a 13-all tie with his first career interception and TD late in the third quarter.

On a second-and-9, Ramsey's arm was hit by Eagles tackle Darwin Walker as he threw and the ball sailed up in the air. Kalu caught it at the 15, eluded an offensive lineman and rumbled untouched into the end zone.

Westbrook then put Eagles ahead by 11 with his TD run with 3:10 left. The Eagles drove 70 yards, holding the ball for 5:39. McNabb ran 6 yards on third-and-5 to keep the drive alive.

McNabb connected with fullback Jon Ritchie on a 4-yard TD pass for a 10-0 lead early in the second quarter. Roderick Hood intercepted a pass from Ramsey and returned it to Washington's 18, setting up the score.

Ramsey's 1-yard TD run made it 10-7 with 5:56 left in the first half. Former Eagle Jeremiah Trotter set up the score, intercepting McNabb and returning it 21 yards to the 1. On third down, Ramsey leaped over the top for the TD.

David Akers' 36-yard field goal late in the first half gave the Eagles a 13-7 lead. Akers gave the Eagles a 3-0 lead on a 52-yard FG in the first quarter.

Hall's 48-yard FG late in the first half cut Philadelphia's lead to 13-10. Hall hit a 45-yarder midway through the third to tie it at 13. His 37-yarder cut it to 20-16 in the fourth.

McNabb had just 19 yards rushing. He scrambled 54 yards to Washington's 10 on the Eagles' first possession, but a holding penalty on tight end Chad Lewis negated the play.

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This game summary proves Rush's point. What a (excuse the expression) whitewash.

McNabb was McMediocre and his team barely survived. 16-30 for 150-plus years and 2 INTs is actually worse than mediocre. OK, he had a 54-yard run called back, but his passing was weak.

The comments about Limbaugh are as usual, wrong. He wasn't forced to resign by his remarks. He was forced to resign by the hysterical REACTION to his remarks, and the clear failure of his broadcasting cast to take the heat and stand up for him.

1 posted on 10/05/2003 6:02:10 PM PDT by litany_of_lies
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2 posted on 10/05/2003 6:04:14 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: litany_of_lies; Admin Moderator
BTW the headline is mine. At espn.com, it's "Philadelphia 27, Washington 25." If Admin Moderator wants to change it, go right ahead.
3 posted on 10/05/2003 6:04:24 PM PDT by litany_of_lies
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To: litany_of_lies
Obviously I meant 150-plus yards, not years. Oops. The last week has felt like 150 years, between Rush, Arnold, et al.
4 posted on 10/05/2003 6:05:41 PM PDT by litany_of_lies
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To: litany_of_lies
Liberal spin: McNabb was so upset about that poor little boy who wondered if it was OK to be a black QB, he couldn't concentrate on the game for all the tears streaming from his eyes.
5 posted on 10/05/2003 6:06:02 PM PDT by TrappedInLiberalHell (Hillary walks into a bar. Let's hope it leaves a nice bump on her forehead.)
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To: litany_of_lies
Fox Sports PROVED Rush's assertions immediately after the game proclaiming Donovan the BEST QB ever and a tribute to blackism. (OK, I embellish a mite)

They did say to the effect it was his win. didn't see the game but understand that the win was due to every factor except his ability! Am I right?

6 posted on 10/05/2003 6:06:41 PM PDT by lawdude (Liberalism: A failure every time it is tried!)
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To: litany_of_lies
I have on my Fantasy Team. The guy has single handedly ruined my season. I am playing Jon Kitna next week over Donavan the Dud.
7 posted on 10/05/2003 6:07:28 PM PDT by TheExploited (R-Illinois)
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To: TrappedInLiberalHell
Emmett Smith was the one crying today--six carries against the Cowboys and -1 yards
8 posted on 10/05/2003 6:11:12 PM PDT by KansasCanadian (The following comment about the French was removed by the Moderator...)
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To: litany_of_lies
It wouldn't matter if he had a record setting game or a poor one...Rush's comments were pointed at the media. McNabb's future on field play (good or bad) will not vindicate Rush. "It's the media Stupid" is my new battle cry...On a related note...Go look at a magizine rack, the media has it in for our troops. I'm sorry to say.
9 posted on 10/05/2003 6:12:02 PM PDT by Defendingliberty (www.defendingliberty.com)
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To: lawdude
Nah, the Eagles defense as usual, won the game.

I like McNabb, though. This offense is badly put together. I think Rush was wrong, and wasn't really paying attention to the serious problems the Eagles offense has faced since preseason, with all the hold-outs.

McNabb is good, showed great potential and character in the course of his college and professional career. He just plays for a mediocre offensive team, poorly coached.

Rush stepped in it. I shed no tears.

A quarterback is as good as his coaching and support.

I think of Phil Simms, Bernie Testeverde and now Quincy Carter.

What were they like before Parcells?
10 posted on 10/05/2003 6:13:07 PM PDT by lavrenti (Sad songs are about those loved and lost, never about career changes.)
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To: lawdude
McNabe was less than average if you ask me and they lost because the Redskins were worse! The Redskin quarterback kept missing open receivers!

11 posted on 10/05/2003 6:18:27 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Vote for Arnold -- Republican by Choice!)
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To: lawdude
I did not see the game.

I do know from reviewing available info that:
- the Eagles scored 20 offensive points, because 7 came from an INT return for a touchdown.
- One Eagles "drive" started at the Washington 18 because of a Philly INT of Ramsey.
- The remaining Eagles TD was a 70-yard, 11-play drive.
- One of Philly's FGs was a 52-yarder.
- One of McNabb's 2 INTs was returned to the 1 yard line, followed by a Skin TD.

The defense saved Donovan McNabb's bacon, as usual. The writers want to reserve a spot for him in Canton.
12 posted on 10/05/2003 6:19:47 PM PDT by litany_of_lies
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To: litany_of_lies
My local Orlando paper had the Rush controversy as a front-page story on Friday and a 2nd page sports-section story on Saturday. What I don't understand (I do) is why there is so much controversy over this issue since supposedly everyone expected this. If this was expected, why are we going on over a week, now? On the other hand, when these stories surface from the unexpected (democrats and libs), they are buried. I guess it's the fault of that right-wing media again.
13 posted on 10/05/2003 6:20:23 PM PDT by cwb
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To: lavrenti
"I like McNabb, though. This offense is badly put together. "

You are still not getting the picture. Listen to the MEDIA. They are the ones lauding MCNabb. They have him on a pedestal about 10 feet higher than warranted. No one, especially Rush has said McN is a bad QB. Merely that he is given more credit than warranted by the MEDIA.

Fox proved it after the game.

14 posted on 10/05/2003 6:21:46 PM PDT by lawdude (Liberalism: A failure every time it is tried!)
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To: TheExploited
As a downtrodden Bengals fan of many years, I can only say to your idea of replacing Donovan McNabb with Kitna: Don't overreact.
15 posted on 10/05/2003 6:24:26 PM PDT by litany_of_lies
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To: lavrenti
What were they like before Parcells?

People who say coaching doesn't matter are crazy!

Parcells took the same team that Dave Campo and Bruce Coslet messed up and has them believing in themselves.

The Cardinals aren't very good, but the Dallas defense simply dominated them today, and knocked Emmitt out of the game.

Parcells has Dallas talking about a .500 season, something unimagineable before he came aboard.

16 posted on 10/05/2003 6:26:54 PM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from a shelter! You'll save at least one life, maybe two!)
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To: litany_of_lies
I expected McNabb to really break out this week. Guys have a habit of responding well to a week worth of negative news. Not McNabb though. I guess he wanted his verbal whining to take precedence over his on-field play.
17 posted on 10/05/2003 6:27:02 PM PDT by IslandTrash
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To: Defendingliberty
t wouldn't matter if he had a record setting game or a poor one...Rush's comments were pointed at the media.

Point well taken. Even a great day wouldn't change the fact that McNabb has been treated with kid gloves since Day 1.

And it's a pattern. Kordell Stewart was given a pass for many years before Pittsburgh gave up on him.

As to your take on the media and our troops, I honestly can't stand to have a TV or radio on during the news, it's so pititful. We need to re-embed a bunch of reporters. It's so obvious that they want us to fail that it makes me sick.

18 posted on 10/05/2003 6:28:01 PM PDT by litany_of_lies
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To: lawdude; litany_of_lies
Limbaugh said on last week's ESPN's "Sunday NFL Countdown" that McNabb was overrated because the media wanted to see a black quarterback succeed.

Look carefully. In what respect was the race card played? (I didn't tumble to this until the sports columnist in my Sunday paper defended Rush.)

Rush called the Media racist. He didn't say McNabb's talent had anything to do with his race. He said the Media was looking at color and trying to change the outcome based on that factor.

And that's why they're trying to tear him apart.

They say the truth hurts.

19 posted on 10/05/2003 6:28:37 PM PDT by HiJinx (If you're not making waves, you're not kicking hard enough.)
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To: litany_of_lies
He was forced to resign by the hysterical REACTION to his remarks

They CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

20 posted on 10/05/2003 6:34:10 PM PDT by RightWinger
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To: lawdude
No, I get the picture. It's ridiculous the emphasis the press puts on McNabb.

It's a northeastern thing, really. McNabb had a rather heroic college career at Syracuse. Gave Miami a scare a couple of times, one game was legendary. He is also less jock than most of his contemporaries, and gives a good interview.

So, the press builds him up. Partially because of skin color, but also because he is a northeastern college quarterback playing for a team in a rough town for quarterbacks.

Rush had that angle wrong. Jeez, look up the road at what the NY press was saying about Pennington!
21 posted on 10/05/2003 6:35:19 PM PDT by lavrenti (Sad songs are about those loved and lost, never about career changes.)
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To: lavrenti
Bernie Testeverde

Didn't he play for the same college as Vinnie Kosar?

22 posted on 10/05/2003 6:37:01 PM PDT by PMCarey
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To: HiJinx
McNabbs response started it.
23 posted on 10/05/2003 6:37:34 PM PDT by lavrenti (Sad songs are about those loved and lost, never about career changes.)
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To: lawdude
As a former league MVP who has taken his team to the past 2 NFC championship games, he deserves a little praise, doesn't he? Sure, he has sucked this year (he's on a fantasy team of mine, I should certainly know), and he's so inaccurate a passer he probably couldn't hit water from the Golden Gate bridge. But you're overblowing this. He doesn't have much of a team around him.

I like Rush, but I think he was wrong on this one. And ESPN hung him out to dry. If you want to direct your anger anywhere, direct it there.
24 posted on 10/05/2003 6:41:23 PM PDT by Akira ("Experience is a hard teacher, but fools will have no other." - Ben Franklin)
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To: lavrenti
Rush had that angle wrong. Jeez, look up the road at what the NY press was saying about Pennington!

Don't bring up logic to the ditto heads. Their man was shown to be a fish out of water talking football, and bringing his political agenda to an NFL pregame show. Pennington was the second coming last year, or so said the media.

25 posted on 10/05/2003 6:42:36 PM PDT by SengirV
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To: RightWinger
My Carolina Panthers were still unbeaten today.
Next week they have to play the high scoring Colts.
I will be watching the Tampa Bay game tomorrow night, if they can slow them down, maybe our strong defense can too.
26 posted on 10/05/2003 6:42:46 PM PDT by RightWinger
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To: litany_of_lies
and his first TD of the season.

Prior to that touchdown throw, he had gone 173 attempts without a TD. The next worst in the NFL had gone 60.

27 posted on 10/05/2003 6:45:07 PM PDT by lepton
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To: litany_of_lies
McNabb Worse than Mediocre as Eagles Survive Skins 27-25 ^

Another racist remark. Won't you honkeys ever learn to shut your cracker mouths up?

/ sarcasm

28 posted on 10/05/2003 6:47:10 PM PDT by jimkress (Go away Pat Go away!)
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To: lavrenti
One of MacNabb's most serious limitations is that he basically can't throw a pass for under 20 yards flight-path. He throws most of those into the feet of the receiver, but it could go nearly anywhere.
29 posted on 10/05/2003 6:50:02 PM PDT by lepton
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To: TheExploited
I have (McNabb) on my Fantasy Team. The guy has single handedly ruined my season. I am playing Jon Kitna next week over Donavan the Dud.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Last year, I played Fantasy Football for the first time, and made it to the Championship Game with (guess who???) McNabb & Kitna as my QB's. Kitna was pretty damn good last year, as was McNabb until he broke his foot. I get the feeling that McNabb's been feeling the pressure of trying to live up to that contract. From what I saw of A-Rod, it may take him another year psychologically to get over it.

I'm not playing this year, probably because I don't have the time/inclination to do the research necessary. Baseball's always been my favorite sport, so I pretty much stick with that.

With the recent success of my alma mater (Gonzaga), football season is there to occupy some time until basketball season rolls around.

Plus, my spare time is pretty much nonexistent with one kid in band, another in Lariettes (drill team), and a toddler to keep us from losing it. My son's HS band is performing at the St. Patrick's Day Parade in Dublin, Ireland next year, so we've got fund raisers galore until that trip.

30 posted on 10/05/2003 6:51:13 PM PDT by Night Hides Not
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To: Akira
As a former league MVP who has taken his team to the past 2 NFC championship games, he deserves a little praise, doesn't he?

Maybe as much as the Ravens QB in their superbowl drive, and some of the Bucs QBs. How does his performance compare to either of those cases?

MacNabb is a fairly good HB who throws well down-field. Despite his being elected to it, he is not, nor has he ever been a Pro-Bowl quality QB. He may someday become one, as he has a lot of talent - but he's not there. I'll even grant that due to his running ability, he's certainly a better QB than his less-than-average career stats. He's fun to watch as several times a game he makes simple plays into a struggle, and fairly often makes a bit of unpredictable excitement out of it. He is not, however, a "great quarterback".

31 posted on 10/05/2003 7:04:40 PM PDT by lepton
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To: litany_of_lies
What about all the other teams that played today? We should get a low down on all of them.
32 posted on 10/05/2003 7:05:36 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: litany_of_lies
We'll make an exeption this time ;-)
33 posted on 10/05/2003 7:17:41 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: lavrenti
McNabbs response started it.

McNabb didn't rspond to Rush's comments, he responded to the media who asked him about Rush's comments.

Donovan didn't have a thing to say about it until Wednesday, after WIP and the Philly papers had three days to fan the flames. Once they cornered McNabb and got a quote, they had their story.

McNabb didn't start this.

34 posted on 10/05/2003 7:17:41 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: litany_of_lies
Stick your head in the garbage, litany.

I am an Iggles fan, though I live in Redskins territory. I watched the second half of the game. I think Donovan McNabb is not a superstar but is a damn good quaterback. And, I think Limbaugh got a raw deal for expressing an opinion.

That said, McNabb didn't have that bad a game and made some key plays in the second half. The Iggles almost blew it, but it was the special teams and defense, not the offense, that made the last 2 minutes so painful to watch.

Take a deep breath, dude.

35 posted on 10/05/2003 7:22:01 PM PDT by blau993 (Labs for love; .357 for Security.)
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To: blau993
Stick your head in the garbage, litany.

You must originally be from Philly. In the City of Brotherly Love, the above is a term of endearment.

36 posted on 10/05/2003 7:26:05 PM PDT by litany_of_lies
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To: litany_of_lies
McNabb should thank Rush. After this flap, he will never be benched.
37 posted on 10/05/2003 7:32:50 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (mislead, misled, lie, lied, failed, failure,leaked, revenge, etc., etc., etc..)
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To: litany_of_lies
McNabb will never again get bad press, either. They don't dare.
38 posted on 10/05/2003 7:33:21 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (mislead, misled, lie, lied, failed, failure,leaked, revenge, etc., etc., etc..)
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To: KansasCanadian
Emmett Smith was the one crying today--six carries against the Cowboys and -1 yards

I was there, in the suite next to Cardinal owner Bill Bidwell. He was not 10 feet from me through a glass partitition.

I couldn't help but give him a thumbs up every time Emmitt got stuffed.

Okay, not EVERY time. I almost felt sorry for him. Actually, I guess I felt more sorry for Emmitt. He's still a class act.

39 posted on 10/05/2003 7:38:45 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
Your profile page is most entertaining...
40 posted on 10/05/2003 7:44:17 PM PDT by KansasCanadian (The following comment about the French was removed by the Moderator...)
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To: Jeff Chandler
I think we Philadelphians like McNabb so much, despite his inconsistent performance on the field, because he is a fundamentally decent young man who sets a good example for our kids.

The superstar of our basketball team, on the other hand, is a spoiled-brat thug and on-court prima donna who mistreats his wife and hangs out late at night with people who always seem to be firing guns.

Given the choice we have of role models for our children, is it any wonder that we virtually pray for Donavan to achieve fully his athletic potential?

It's not a racial thing that causes me to want our quarterback to succeed. I just prefer to see my middle school students wearing "McNabb" rather than "Iverson" on their backs.





41 posted on 10/05/2003 8:09:27 PM PDT by Morose Musician
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To: litany_of_lies
Interesting that ESPN analyst Bryan Cox still has a job. Appearing on FOX's Best Damn Sports Show Period, Cox took Atlanta LB Keith Brooking to the woodshed. "Sucks," is how Cox described the two-time Pro Bowler, adding that Brooking was the latest great white hype. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/inside_game/duane_cross/news/2003/07/02/in_the_news/
42 posted on 10/05/2003 8:32:23 PM PDT by MMcC
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To: PMCarey
"Bernie Testeverde

Didn't he play for the same college as Vinnie Kosar? "

yeah....you're right; they did go to different schools together!

43 posted on 10/05/2003 8:44:55 PM PDT by hoot2
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To: lepton
McNabb is better than Dilfer, and the Ravens D was better than Philly's the past 2 years. I'm not sure about Brad Johnson, but again the Bucs D was/is better than Philly's ever was. Two years ago he definitely deserved a pro Bowl invite, I'm not so sure about last year. Popularity has something to do with who goes to the Pro Bowl. Also, many players decline to go for one reason or another, so you then go to the next guy...the next thing you know you've got the 5th or 6th best QB there, but he's still recorded as a Pro Bowler for the rest of his life. So it's deceiving.

As far as black QBs go, I'd take McNair over McNabb any day of the week.

I've been bugged by all the wrath directed at McNabb this week. He's a good guy. All Rush said about him personally was that he was overrated, and even in today's double-standard PC world that is not enough to get somebody fired. It was his comment on the media and ESPN's spinlessness that did him in.
44 posted on 10/06/2003 7:22:14 AM PDT by Akira ("Experience is a hard teacher, but fools will have no other." - Ben Franklin)
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To: litany_of_lies
YOU ARE SOOOO RIGHT !

After hearing McNabb's stats I had to laugh out loud. He turned in a lousy performance and the Eagles were lucky to beat the Redskins.

As far as ESPN Game Day, those 4 little sissies really felt like big men laying into Limbaugh when he wasn't there to defend himself. The whole point of the "challenge" was to do it with him there. My thoughts, These guys are too stupid, both the two white guys and the two black guys, to engage in real time debate. They need a week to figure out what their position is. I'm embarrassed for them, especially what's his name, Tom Jackson? Now the show consists of 4 little girlie man sissies.

And to top it off, I heard that wimpy Chris Collingsworth say after the game, well McNabb sure did prove Limbaugh wrong. WTF was he thinking? He sure wasn't watching the same game as I did.

45 posted on 10/06/2003 7:32:29 AM PDT by 1Old Pro (ESPN now has 4 little wimpy sissies left. I'm switching back to FOX.)
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To: lawdude
Fox Sports PROVED Rush's assertions immediately after the game proclaiming Donovan the BEST QB ever and a tribute to blackism. (OK, I embellish a mite)

Exactly right! Collingsworth was peeing in his diaper he was lavishing so much praise on a crappy game from McNabb.

46 posted on 10/06/2003 7:33:56 AM PDT by 1Old Pro (ESPN now has 4 little wimpy sissies left. I'm switching back to FOX.)
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To: 1Old Pro
As far as ESPN Game Day, those 4 little sissies really felt like big men laying into Limbaugh when he wasn't there to defend himself.

I didn't see Game Day, but I've seen and heard enough about it to know. Everybody was falling all over themselves with mea culpas, and "I should have said somethings." Drudge even called them "girls" on the air last night. Drudge also said "history won't remember any of you, but it sure will remember Limbaugh."

On NFL Primetime (Berman and Jackson, replay seen at 1AM), their Eagles-Skins highlights came near the end of the program. The FIRST thing they showed was the 54-yard McNabb run that was called back on a penalty (no context, just a chance to show the only time he looked good all day). They had almost no comment after the highlights, as if they would be embarrassed if they had to comment on McNabb's "performance."

I didn't realize how much PC has infected sports coverage. Now I do.

47 posted on 10/06/2003 7:42:40 AM PDT by litany_of_lies
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To: 1Old Pro
I wasn't in the room to hear it but someone told me that Collingsworth reluctantly commented in the 3rd quarter something like: "Well, I know McNabb has had a tough week and all but I think I should say that he really isn't having a very good game."

Anyone else hear this?

48 posted on 10/06/2003 7:55:45 AM PDT by rockinonritalin (nilatirnonikcor)
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To: Akira
I live in Syracuse and think very highly of McNabb as a player and a person. I know it may have been a lot to ask but I was hoping that he would stand up and say that Rush's comments were not racist and people should relax. However, I think he was more offended about being called out as an overrated football player. Unfortunately, he used the race element of Rush's comments as a shield against the valid criticism of his performance on the field. Again, I know it may have been a lot to ask with all of the media attention but I didn't like to see McNabb play the victim.
49 posted on 10/06/2003 7:59:50 AM PDT by rockinonritalin (nilatirnonikcor)
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To: litany_of_lies
I didn't realize how much PC has infected sports coverage. Now I do.

Me neither, now that RUSH had the balls to make it known.

50 posted on 10/06/2003 8:17:17 AM PDT by 1Old Pro (ESPN now has 4 little wimpy sissies left. I'm switching back to FOX.)
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