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Daily Thread: Illegal Alien Freedom Ride Counter Protest
Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) ^ | Sept. 27, 2003 | staff

Posted on 09/27/2003 4:45:44 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING

Title: Illegal Alien Freedom Ride Counter Protest Source: Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR)

URL Source: http://www.fairus.org/html/activism.html Published: Sep 25, 2003 Author: staff

Beginning Sept. 28th thru Oct. 4th, many of us will be joining groups from across the country to counter the Illegal Immigrants Freedom Ride to DC. We will be using toll free phone numbers (that we pay for) to blitz the Senate, House and the Whitehouse on behalf of the hardworking citizens of the United States....the taxpayers.

Phone Nos.:

Senate and House: 1-800-648-3516

(When answered, just ask to be connected to a specific Senator or Rep)

Republican Nat'l Committee: 1-202-863-8500 (not toll free)

Whitehouse: 202-456-1414 (voice)

WH fax: 202-456-2461

Comment Line: 202-456-6213

Please join us. NUMBERS MATTER! It's our only hope to keep our politicians in line on this issue. We did it once early in the Bush Administration when he first pushed amnesty for illegals. It was a success! But we need you now to counter the Illegal's demand for "rights."

Please give us some time, if only to call your own Senators and Representatives to protest this invasion. And please consider calling as many of them as you can! In coming days I'll be posting links to the current incumbents, as well as a list of key sponsors of Pro-Illegal bills before the House and Senate.

Click on the above URL for a cram course on the Illegal Invasion.

The following are frequently asked questions to be used as talking points. Please print a copy to use in the event you actually get a "human being" to talk to! :0)

Frequently Asked Questions About Immigration Policy and Its Effects

How many immigrants come to the U.S.?

In 2001, more than one million immigrants were admitted to the United States. Additionally, about 500,000 entered illegally. This is nearly four times as many immigrants as we were receiving only 30 years ago.

Where are immigrants to the U.S. coming from?

About 20 percent come from Mexico. India, China, and the Philippines each send between five to seven percent. The following countries each send between two and three percent of our immigrants: Vietnam, El Salvador, Cuba, Haiti, Bosnia, Canada, the Dominican Republic, Ukraine, Korea, Russia, and Nicaragua. Together, these top 15 sending countries account for about 60 percent of all immigration to the U.S. The remaining 40 percent is composed of very small shares from a large number of other countries.

Who is able to immigrate?

Most immigration (almost two-thirds) is sponsored by family members in this country who most often immigrated themselves and are now legal permanent residents or have become U.S. citizens. Smaller shares of admissions (about one-sixth) go to workers (and their families) whom employers say they need to complement the native workforce, and to refugees and asylees (about one-tenth). In addition, about one out of every 25 admissions visas is given away by lottery.

Who is responsible for U.S. immigration policy?

As a sovereign state, the United States has the right and responsibility to regulate the permanent and temporary admissions of non-citizens. This authority is vested in the Congress, which makes the laws that determine the basis on which visas are authorized (although refugee admissions are proposed annually by the President for concurrance by the Congress). The regulations that promulgate those laws are developed and administered by the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) a division of the Department of Justice (DOJ). Within the INS, there are the Border Patrol, which monitors the borders against illegal entry; the INS Inspectors, who monitor people entering the U.S. at ports of entry such as airports; INS Investigators, who track down violators of immigration law; and immigration judges (appointed by the Attorney General), who hear cases on violations of immigration law and regulation. Independent from the INS but still within in the DOJ, there is a Board of Immigration Appeals (BIA) administered by the Executive Office for Immigration Review; the BIA hears appeals of decisions by the immigration judges.

Is immigration different now than it used to be?

Immigration is much higher now than it has historically been. Through most of our country's history (more than 180 years), we took in fewer than 500,000 immigrants a year; for more than 135 of those years, it was fewer than 300,000 immigrants. In 2001, our country admitted 1,064,318 legal immigrants, as well as an estimated additional 500,000 illegal immigrants. Only seven years in our entire history have had as many immigrants as we received in 2001.

Why should we reduce immigration?

Because so many of today's immigrants are low-skilled, mass immigration brings competition for entry-level jobs, harming American low-skilled workers. Because most of today's immigrants are poor, they are a drain on our fiscal resources and our economy. Because immigrants are being admitted faster they assimilate, mass immigration is causing social strain and strife among different groups. And because immigration is the source of most population growth in the U.S., it strains the environment and our natural resources.

How many immigrants should we have?

FAIR believes we should strive for a system in which continuing immigration does not add to our population size. That would mean admitting between 200,000 and 300,000 immigrants a year. This would allow us to maximize the positive effects of immigration without overwhelming our environment, schools, social services, and other institutions. It would also contribute to U.S. population stability over the long-term.

Answers to Tough Questions

Arguments you will hear…and the replies to have ready!

“Immigration is a big part of American tradition and national character. We are a nation of immigrants. ”

The fact is, immigration levels today are far higher than traditional levels; in the mid 1950s, our immigration was less than one-third what it is today. Also, the U.S. today is a very different country than in years past. We’re now a fully populated nation of almost 290 million people, not the sparsely settled territory of 150 years ago. Today we’re concerned about limiting sprawl, overcrowding, and environmental stress. Yet, if today’s rate of immigration is continued, it will add nearly 150 million people to our population over the next 80 years. How will that help achieve a single U.S. objective? Will it decrease traffic and other forms of congestion, improve water tables, decrease school overcrowding, cut oil consumption, reduce housing costs? Not one single domestic objective of our nation is being facilitated by today’s mass migration.

“Immigration has been good for us in the past and has made our nation great.”

Immigration in the past did bring benefits--in the past, the U.S. needed large numbers of people to settle the frontiers, cut forests, build railroads, mine gold, and much more. Today’s priorities are preserving our remaining wilderness areas, conserving our natural resources, and ensuring a better quality of life for future generations.

Furthermore, immigration in the past has been quite limited. History shows us that immigration at high levels is not beneficial, which is why the country cut back immigration after the brief Ellis Island period. In the past, we have successfully absorbed and assimilated immigrants because we have periodically halted immigration.

“Throughout our history, people have always attacked immigration and they have always been wrong.”

While people have opposed immigration for a variety of motives over the years, Americans have always had legitimate concerns about immigration and its effects on our population, economy, and society. While we have coped successfully with some of these concerns in the past, that is largely because mass immigration to this country was stopped, not because the concerns were unfounded.

“Immigration is less of a problem today because immigrants comprise a smaller share of our overall population than ever before.”

Quite the opposite is true. When there were fewer people in this country, there was more room and opportunity for immigrants. Now, in a country already stuffed with well over a quarter of a billion people, adding another million through immigration every year is much more of a problem. The more people we have in our country, the fewer immigrants can be added without unwanted consequences.

“Opposition to high immigration is rooted in racism.”

There are always people who support the right idea for the wrong reasons--but that doesn’t make the idea itself wrong. None of this changes the fact that bringing a million additional people from other countries into this one is disruptive to our economy, our society, and our environment. We condemn racism. But we also condemn the use of terms such as “anti-immigrant,” “racist,” or “xenophobe” as they are used to try to stifle open, honest discussion of how our immigration policy is impacting the country.

“Immigrants are a driving force behind our economy, performing jobs that Americans won’t do.”

There are no jobs Americans won’t do, only conditions and wages that are unacceptable. The employers who have become economically dependent on immigrants for cheap labor use this argument to justify virtual indentured servitude and then try to shame Americans into accepting it. Job competition by waves of new immigrants depresses the wages and salaries of American workers and hits hardest at minority workers and those without high school degrees.

“Immigrants don’t take jobs from Americans, they create more jobs.”

Actually, both are true. But many of those jobs created are jobs in providing services to immigrants. Other jobs that immigrants create are generally low-skilled and mostly go to other other immigrants anyway. This doesn’t really benefit Americans at all; it simply creates distortions in the economy, generally away from the high-skills, high-education, high-wage economy most Americans support. And it doesn’t in any way address the increased burdens on our schools, environment, social services, and natural resources that bringing in so many additional people causes.

“We live in a global economy and must have foreign workers to compete in the world market.”

Very little immigration is of skilled personnel. Besides, it is precisely because of advances in global communications that we do not have to allow people to move to the U.S. to take advantage of their talents and benefit from their contributions.

“Immigrants are a net benefit, because they pay taxes and contribute more to our society than they cost.”

The seminal study of the costs of immigration by the National Academy of Sciences found that the taxes paid by immigrants do not cover the cost of services received by them. A calculation to the contrary works only if you discount the programs used by the immigrants’ children, refugees and asylees, immigrants who aren’t of working age, illegal immigrants working “off the books,” and immigrants from certain countries.

This argument also ignores the impact of sacrificing farmland and forests to roads and housing developments, increasing congestion to the point that people spend more time in traffic than at home with their families, and raising the burden on our already strained water supply and other natural resources.

“A country as big as America has room for lots more people.”

A country isn’t a big box that you stuff as many people in as possible. It’s a society supported by an environment, and the question isn’t how many people can physically fit in it, but how many people the society wants and the environment can support. Many of the “wide open spaces ” in the U.S. are inhospitable deserts or mountains, or are already used as farmland to raise food to support the population living on the coasts and to export to feed people in other countries.

“Immigrants catch up quickly economically and soon blend into American society.”

There is increasing evidence of groups of immigrants who are trapped in depressed inner cities, and their children similarly find themselves unable to escape poverty. Today more than 21 million people in our country say that they speak English less than very well. Besides, the hub of the problem is not the rate at which immigrants are assimilating, it’s the rate at which we are admitting them. As long as we have mass immigration, the bulk of unassimilated people in our culture will grow, causing social tension and conflict.

“Illegal immigration is the only real problem, not legal immigration.”

The distinction between legal and illegal immigrants is increasingly blurred by programs such as the amnesty in 1986 that gave legal status to nearly three million illegal residents and provisions that allow illegal immigrants to become legal residents if they marry someone legally here, i.e., Section 245(i). There is little difference between the societal effects from illegal immigrants and from those who were amnestied (and the same is true to a large extent for family members sponsored by former illegal aliens).

“We have a humanitarian obligation to take in struggling people from other countries.”

We can’t solve the world’s problems by importing a tiny fraction of the millions who would like to come here. Instead, we should solve problems where people live and help them turn their countries into places that people aren’t driven to leave. But although the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees says that foreign aid and assistance is best utilized when the resources are spent on alleviating problems at their source, the U.S. channels a large share of its refugee resources on the transportation, language training, cultural adaptation, and assistance grants to refugees resettled in the United States that could benefit many more refugees if expended on temporary shelter and sustenance at refugee facilities near the refugees’ homeland and in the refugees’ eventual return to their homes.

It should be noted, however, that the United States admits as refugees many persons who are not true refugees under the United Nations’ standard, e.g. people from Cuba who do not qualify for asylum in this country.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters
KEYWORDS: alien; bus; fair; illegal; immigrantlist; immigration; immigrationreform
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1 posted on 09/27/2003 4:45:44 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: gpl4eva
Strange, I just finished letters to my US Senators (TX) when I found this. What are the odds I will get a reply, positive or not? I don't know how to get their attention in Washington. There is a building anger about the land they don't want to hear it.
3 posted on 09/27/2003 5:01:41 PM PDT by engrpat
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
bttt
4 posted on 09/27/2003 5:05:06 PM PDT by sarcasm (Tancredo 2004)
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To: gubamyster; HiJinx
ping
5 posted on 09/27/2003 5:07:51 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; Cacophonous; Jhoffa_; FITZ; arete; FreedomPoster; bwteim; ...
Very little immigration is of skilled personnel. Besides, it is precisely because of advances in global communications that we do not have to allow people to move to the U.S. to take advantage of their talents and benefit from their contributions.

We do not need skilled people. We are going to be a service based economy, don't you remember?

6 posted on 09/27/2003 5:38:40 PM PDT by A. Pole ("Is 87 billion dollars a great deal of money? Yes. Can our country afford it?" [Secretary Rumsfeld])
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To: ETERNAL WARMING


yeah yeah .. whatever

7 posted on 09/27/2003 5:54:45 PM PDT by VU4G10 (Have You Forgotten?)
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To: engrpat
I wrote letters several days ago...very, very vehement letters. No reaction whatsoever. While this so-called "Freedom Ride" is going on, no reaction whatsoever. What does that tell me? That they JUST DON'T CARE. And that they really are "Electing A New People." Meanwhile the Republicans continue to send me requests for money disguised as some sort of a poll or (today) a census and I send them back with all sorts of protests written all over them and no money. As long as our government refuses to protect us I'm not going to pay income taxes and I'm certainly not going to give some corrupt political party money.
8 posted on 09/27/2003 5:58:02 PM PDT by vikingcelt
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To: vikingcelt
Don't give up. One of the very popular tactics of the left is to try to make people who disagree with what they are doing think they are the only ones who have complained. I can't tell you how many times I've been told, "you're the only one who's complained" only to find out neighbors and acquaintances have also been complaining.

What was it that Churchill said to rally Britain to fight for its life in WWII?

"Never, never, never, never give up"


9 posted on 09/27/2003 6:05:01 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: vikingcelt
I wrote to GWB after Officer Tony Zeppetella was murdered by a deported illegal ex-con, I put a lot of time and thought into it-two months later I get a letter postmarked Crawford Ranch, I open it.......a damn form letter. As usual.
10 posted on 09/27/2003 6:09:34 PM PDT by 4.1O dana super trac pak (Stop the open borders death cult)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING; chicagolady; Pro-Bush; Kinetic
Ah EW your on top of things today. I am so burnt!

This is a good place for my after action counter protest report, one word ARGH!

Should have known it would be rough, our train was delayed for 30 min. going down there! Massive trouble by O'Hare -shrug-

We get there at 10AM and must be already 1,000 of them. I was so lucky that the first speaker I heard was Guitierrez, the troublemaking aldercritter!

The group I met up with was already setup, only a handful at first. We were behind fenced barriers across from the rally. We had screaming meemies that looked like gangbangers and then actual bandito's no kidding! Had hoods on and masks pulled up to their eyes!

Police presence was surprisingly minimal!

So those banditos keep screaming obscentities and threats at us and really singled out my 16 yr old, Kinetic, for some reason and she was simply holding an American flag!

Lemme tellya, they were just coming with signs like cockroaches! They were actually pretty civil and of course loud! Then a speaker gets up who was on the March with MLK!
And had this snappy speech about how this is just like that! I wanted to vomit.

We did have gorgeous weather here today and many pictures were taken of my poster. I wore jeans with stars all over them,an cap with American buttons, a glittered USA tanktop and had rwb stripes on my eyelids and 3 tears falling down my left eye in rwb.

Soon a few more folx came, totaling about a dozen and thats when I began to wonder about the group. Their haircuts, their style, their posters. Turns out we are smack in the middle of a damn white supremacist group!!!
Hateful towards everyone including FR!

New we were in trouble within five minutes when the Feds were taking their pictures and I told my daughter Great, been an honest citizen all my life and bam! Now I'm in the Fed database!

So we got the hell outta there! Went by some cops for a bit who I explained our situation to. I said what is my choice here, hmmmmmmm, Mexican or White racists (both were black ;) and we had alot of great laughs!

But I am disappointed for I had index cards of talking points and there was much media coverage at the Fed Bldg.
And most of the time the speaker's spoke Spanish.

I'll tellya Freeper's it broke my heart to listen to all their demands and see their solidarity, Our fight is cut out for us!

Go Cubbies ;)


11 posted on 09/27/2003 6:39:58 PM PDT by JustPiper (Who is Minding Our Border's!!! 1-800- Shock Fences!!!)
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After action? Report Ping!
13 posted on 09/27/2003 6:43:44 PM PDT by JustPiper (Who is Minding Our Border's!!! 1-800- Shock Fences!!!)
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To: 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 4.1O dana super trac pak; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; A CA Guy; ...
Bump-Ping!!!
The Border List TM

Freepmail me if you wish to be removed from or added to this list!

FReep After-Action Report!!!

14 posted on 09/27/2003 7:01:01 PM PDT by HiJinx (Military Intelligence - No longer just an Oxymoron!)
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To: A. Pole
We do not need skilled people. We are going to be a service based economy, don't you remember?

Kind of shoots in the ass the ill-conceived "Leave No Child Behind"'s reason for being. For if eleven million plus socially stunted, illiterate, illegal aliens from Mexico, many of whom can't speak the king's English, are finding good paying gigs in the US, certainly Drop-Out David can get a job laying roofing tiles too.

I wonder how many illegals would stay employed if they had to play by the same rules as US workers? Do you think an illegal would sue over an OSHA violation, or declare "sexual harrasment", or deliberately stuff their hand in a deep fryer to get a worker's compensation check?

15 posted on 09/27/2003 7:07:31 PM PDT by Dr Warmoose
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To: FITZ; moehoward; Nea Wood; CheneyChick; Joe Hadenuf; sangoo; 4.1O dana super trac pak; ...
Would help if I pinged my list instead of myself! LOL! Boy am I feeling it!
16 posted on 09/27/2003 7:15:12 PM PDT by JustPiper (Who is Minding Our Border's!!! 1-800- Shock Fences!!!)
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To: gpl4eva
"...proportion of the foreign born in the population"???

What's the point of a question like that?

Just how many people do you believe the U.S. can accommodate? Wouldn't you agree there are too many here already?

17 posted on 09/27/2003 7:21:00 PM PDT by 4Freedom (America is no longer the 'Land of Opportunity', it's the 'Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists'!!!)
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To: JustPiper
BTTT!

Did the Feds take pictures of the illegal aliens or just the counter-protesters?
19 posted on 09/27/2003 7:23:32 PM PDT by 4Freedom (America is no longer the 'Land of Opportunity', it's the 'Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists'!!!)
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To: gpl4eva
are people actually dumb enough to do this?

I had a friend who managed a McDonalds. He told me that this was one of many stupid things his employees would do to get out of work.

20 posted on 09/27/2003 7:24:41 PM PDT by Dr Warmoose
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