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  • Deportation is not an option. We need to find a way to legitimize these individuals and get them on a path toward legal residency status in the United States.
  • Let me be clear: I do not support an amnesty program. The last time we tried that in the late 80s it didn't work, and there's little reason to think it would work now.

  • I am encouraged by the approach laid out by Senator McCain to provide a clear path for legitimizing undocumented immigrants who currently live their lives in the shadows. McCain's bill S 1461 - The Border Security and Immigration Act of 2003
    • A new H-4A visa for immigrants seeking temporary employment with important protections to ensure that immigrant workers are not exploited and that Californians are not displaced by unscrupulous employers;

    • A new H-4B visa for undocumented immigrants who entered the country before August 2003, have held a job since that time, and do not have a criminal record.

    • The opportunity for holders of these new visas to gain legal permanent residency status.
  • " Senator McCain's plan contains the key principles that should guide any proposal to solve the immigration impasse:

Schwarzenegger is acting from both sides of his mouth.

You can't support legalizing Illegal Aliens, and honestly say "I do not support an amnesty program."

Other quotes from Schwarzenegger...

"Proposition 187 has been resolved by the courts. It is time to move on. More than 2.3 million undocumented immigrants currently live in California. They cannot continue to live underground. I will work with federal officials to address this problem."
Schwarzenegger campaign website - joinarnold.com



Said Proposition 187, the 1994 measure that denied many services to illegal immigrants, was "history" because it has been largely voided by the courts. He supported the proposition at the time voters approved it. "Now we have to move forward with the whole thingand to look at it, what we're going to do with all the people that are undocumented immigrants here in this state. What should we do? Should we have them to stay here, which I think is the right way to do, but how do you then include them in our society, how do you make it official, how do you make it legal?" he said. He added he would try to team up with other states with large immigrant populations and lobby the federal government to address the issue.
Associated Press - August 27th, 2003


backpedaled
Schwarzenegger, who legally immigrated to this country from Austria in 1968, opposed issuing driver's licenses to undocumented immigrants. But he didn't rule out public services or amnesty for those who come into the country illegally.

He said he would work with other states to pressure the federal government, which controls immigration, to "come up with a solution once and for all." He also said allowing undocumented immigrants to stay in the United States is "the right thing to do."
Sacramento Bee – August 28th, 2003



Schwarzenegger criticized Davis for signing a bill granting driver's licenses to undocumented immigrants, saying, "We're leaving ourselves wide open to terrorism." And he repeated his support for a guest-worker visa program -- "then they can (get) driver's licenses hooked together with insurance."
Sacramento Bee - September 9th, 2003



Schwarzenegger said he opposed the bill because it would "bring danger to our state" because it doesn't require background checks of illegal immigrants.

He did, however, say he supported proposed federal legislation that would help those in the United States illegally become legal residents more quickly.
Sacramento Bee - September 17th, 2003

Since Arnold Schwarzenegger supports legalizing Illegal Aliens and then giving them drivers' licenses, how meaningful are his promises to support the overturning of SB60?

Why won't Schwarzenegger immediately support the referendum to overturn Illegal Alien drivers' licenses, in time to place the on the ballot for the March 2004 California Primary?

What do you suppose Karl Rove is thinking about such a referendum?


1 posted on 09/24/2003 11:43:11 AM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
Holy crap! We'd be better off to leave davis in office than let this loonie be governor.

He's completely insane.
2 posted on 09/24/2003 11:45:38 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush
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3 posted on 09/24/2003 11:46:31 AM PDT by Sabertooth (No Drivers' Licences for Illegal Aliens. Petition SB60. http://www.saveourlicense.com/n_home.htm)
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"Deportation is not an option. We need to find a way to legitimize these individuals and get them on a path toward legal residency status in the United States."

But Tom Can't Win! (TM)

5 posted on 09/24/2003 11:58:24 AM PDT by ambrose (Free Tommy Chong!)
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To: Sabertooth
Deportation is not an option.

De facto amnesty. Two-faced Arnold strikes again.

9 posted on 09/24/2003 12:07:33 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Sabertooth
Thanks for posting that but he lost me after:

Immigration has been the engine of California's economic prosperity and the richness of our culture.

"...the richness of our culture"?

Riiiiight! I not only live in a country with millions of foreign nationals who believe that they are above the law, I also live in a country where the government agrees with the law-breaking foreign nationals. That ain't my idea of "cultural richness".

10 posted on 09/24/2003 12:12:41 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: Sabertooth
"Immigration has been the engine of California's economic prosperity"!?

"Deportation is not an option. We need to find a way to legitimize these individuals and get them on a path toward legal residency status in the United States."!


He's nuts!
Guess the steroids affected his mind, I thought his accent was from his youth in Austria, now I wonder if it is a sign of brain damage?

So far as the invasion from Mex. is concerned, Arnie will clearly be NO improvement over Grey-out!

Deport these criminals, and open up EIGHT MILLION jobs for Americans!
11 posted on 09/24/2003 12:14:53 PM PDT by Richard-SIA (Nuke the U.N!)
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Your One Stop Resource For All The California Recall News!

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14 posted on 09/24/2003 12:25:08 PM PDT by DoctorZIn
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But...But...But... If we elect Arnold, there'll be an R on the Governors door and Bush will win the state and everyone will love each other and we'll evolve into peacefull light beings...
16 posted on 09/24/2003 12:27:12 PM PDT by Axenolith (You DON'T want to be underneath when the cows come home to roost...)
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To: Sabertooth
Deportation is not an option.

Hell, that's the law.

Seek reimbursement from Washington for health care and education costs associated with illegal immigration.

Collect it from Mexico not US tax payers.

17 posted on 09/24/2003 12:27:15 PM PDT by drypowder
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I didn't see anything in this "plan" to close the border to further illegal encroachments. Its already a crime to smuggle people into the country, so this so-called "punishment" plan for traffickers is worthless without a strong border control policy. I am absolutely opposed to any type of 'amnesty' or streamlined citizenship process for those already here unless it is coupled to a closed border policy. Arnold is tampering in an area in which state governors have no authority: its called "Foreign Policy" and it is the purview of the US Executive Branch. This guy is nuts.
18 posted on 09/24/2003 12:28:07 PM PDT by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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"Deportation is not an option. We need to find a way to legitimize these individuals and get them on a path toward legal residency status in the United States"

"Let me be clear: I do not support an amnesty program"
 


LOL!!

19 posted on 09/24/2003 12:28:40 PM PDT by VU4G10 (Have You Forgotten?)
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They won't call it amnesty.

They'll call it "amnistia."

20 posted on 09/24/2003 12:34:47 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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Oh, I don't think the policy, overall, is so bad. Surely on the amnesty issue he's trying, at least rhetorically, to have things both ways, yes.

McClintock is more consistent, but he guts his credibility in a different way, by promising to enforce Prop 187 and give its "day in court." It won't work. I never did get any substantive response to my request to the more McClintockian folks for some legal authority supporting McClintock re: 187. (I agree with Tom that Davis sold us out, that the proposition didn't truly get a fair day in court. But as a legal matter, there's no authority for getting another bite at the appeal apple on the grounds that the (duly-elected) governor and state atty. general decided to hose the people by bagging the appeal.)
22 posted on 09/24/2003 12:39:52 PM PDT by pogo101
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To: Sabertooth
EMAIL THE RINO!

info@joinarnold.com

 

 

23 posted on 09/24/2003 12:40:28 PM PDT by VU4G10 (Have You Forgotten?)
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Seek reimbursement from Washington for health care and education costs associated with illegal immigration.

Great so Arnold wants all of us in the other states to pay for California's failure to enforce immigration laws?
31 posted on 09/24/2003 1:04:15 PM PDT by votelife (Free Bill Pryor)
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Translation: Third world immigration quadrupling Kalifornistan's population and making jobs non-existant in this state is good because it brings "diversity." 9 million Californians aren't even from here and half of our state can't speak English but this is a GOOD thing for Kalifornistan. We have a proud tradition of not assimulating any of them in the past 30 years and hence being one of the least "Amercian" looking states in the county.

It is not important to ensure that new immigrants enter California the legal way. No matter how they enter, we need their votes so and will get on a path toward fully participating in Kalifornistan's electoral process. And we should give token attention to important national security protections.

Full Policy:

There are approximately 8 million illegal criminals in the United States; over 2.5 million hide out in Kalifornistan. The costs of providing social services to these individuals and incarcerating illegal immigrants is staggering - easily exceeding $3 billion a year, but it's neccessary for "the children"

Clearly, the federal government must do a much better job of enforcing the security of our borders, especially in the aftermath of 9/11. But they won't do that, because RINOs like me need the immigrant vote. Instead, Washington must provide more taxpayers money to Kalifornia so will have enough funds to make sure illegal criminals live safe and comfortably in Kaliforistan and get all the benefits of citizenship. And Washington should immediately give all those illegal criminals full amnesty, like George W. Bush has proposed. Then we can give them drivers licenses and other goodies without looking like idiots.

As someone who came to the United States thirty-five years ago looking for American babes, I understand the challenges immigrants face from bad ol' "rule of law" issues and I will work hard to elevate the eliminate that pesky problem.

Fair Reimbursement for Illegal Immigration Costs

Pandering to illegal Immigration is a national responsibility and Kalifornistan should not be left to shoulder the massive burden of providing freebies for illegal immigrants.

Last year, California only received a mere $220,000,000 million to offset the costs of helping illegal immigrants. This is insufficient, and as governor of California, I will work with RINOs, President Bush, and the liberal Governors of other former conservative states (now turning socialist due to illegal immigrantion) to make sure we sepnd at least three billion to help illegals. Did I mension I am a "fiscal conservative"?

As Governor I will: Organize a coalition of states most impacted by immigrat votes to lobby Congress. This coalition will include other RINO and Liberal Governors from states like New York, New Mexico, Arizona, Illinois, in addition to Kalifornistan. Together, we represent 183 electoral votes, 165 of them from districts that wouldn't even exist if it weren't for the "benefits" of open immigration. If we speak with a unified voice for amnesty, Republicans and Democrats in Washington will listen.

Seek BIG $$$ from Washington for health care and education costs needed with illegal immigration. Putting Immigrants on a Path toward Blanket Amnesty.

It is not important to ensure that any immigrants enter Kalifornistan the right way. In any event, they can get on a path toward fully benefiting from Kalifornistan's budget and programs.

As Governor, I will:

Aggressively lobby Washington to set a date for amnesty that will give citizneship to all the illegal aliens currently in the United States.

Deportation is not an option. Only right-wing crazies support that. We need to find a amensty to legitimize these criminalsand get them on a path toward legal voting status in the United States. Especially the children!

Let me be clear: I support an amnesty program. I really don't care that the last time we tried that in the late 80s it didn't work, and that there's little reason to think it would work now.

I am encouraged by the approach laid out by my fellow RINO Senator McCain to provide a clear path for legitimizing illegal criminals who currently live their lives in the shadows. McCain's bill S 1461 - The Border Security and Immigration Act of 2003, provides amnesty without calling it amnesty. I love it!

A new H-4A visa for illegal immigrants seeking employment with no protections for American citizens ensures that immigrant workers are not deported and that Kalifornistan citizens are displaced by unscrupulous employers,

A new H-4B visa for Illegal immigrants who entered the country before August 2003, have held a job at 20 cents an hour wages since that time, and have a criminal record since they entered ILLEGALLY to begin with.

The opportunity of the holders of these new visas to gain free citizenship! JUST CALL 1-800-JOINARNOLD and pledge a "suggested donation" now!

" Senator McCain's plan contains the key principles that should guide any proposal to help the illegal immigration impasse:

Forign Employer Benefits: A market driven employment process and an easy, effective means to give 'em employment eligibility;

Foriegn Worker Protections: Initial availability of jobs that U.S. workers would normally have and periodic review to ensure that U.S. workers are displaced;

Foreign Worker Protections: Applicability of all U.S. labor standards and portability so that workers may change jobs without ever having to obey the rules and jeopardizing their immigration status.

Not Punish Immigrant Smugglers and Human Traffickers

Human traffickers and smugglers exploit and endanger poor illegal immigrants as they violate our criminal and immigration laws. As Governor, I will fight hard only against crack smuggling and not criminal smuggling:

Traffickers and smugglers should be censured by Congress and have to say they are really sorry and will never do it again. If their schemes result in death of potential illegal immigrant voters, they should be eligible for the death penalty. That is, unless I act like my fellow RINO George Ryan and suddenly "change my mind" about this pledge.

The federal Trafficking Victims Protection Act of 2001 establishes a special visa, the T-visa, for illegal immigrants who assist in investigations. As governor, I will order state law enforcement officials to work with their federal counterparts to prioritize and process applications for T-visas expeditiously.

Promote Spanish and Advance Citizenship

Immigrants who are not proficient in English are all over this state. We import 'em like crazy. They earn 17% less than immigrants of similar backgrounds, experience, and education who are proficient in English. In June 1998, California's voters gave a 61% landslide to Proposition 227 outlawing bilingual education. Clearly, Kalifornistan voters are right-wing crazies.

As Kalifornistans bounded in diversity (except for diverse political views-- note that every candidate for governor other than Tom McClintock has the SAME views), we don't share a common language and culture. I really wish we would, but that might make my potential voters MAD if they have to learn English.

As Governor, I will:

Work to improve education for all Californians, especially illegal aliens that want to go to college here, and especially to help new illegal immigrants learn how to get into college here.

Elimate the meaning of amnesty, so that all Illegals, new and old, share the same commitment to tolerance, equality, and compassion, and gullible voters think letting them stay here forever is "not amnesty"

Work with the federal government to provide amnesty to illegal immigrants who call 1-800-JOINARNOLD and pledge a "suggested donation" now.

SB 60 - Driver's Licenses for Illegal Immigrants

I am an immigrant. I waited for ten years to get my American citizenship. It sucked. And I know first-hand how legal immigrants who come to this country and obey the laws have struggled to achieve their dreams.

But we should invite fraud and undermine law enforcement. Attorney General Bill Lockyer, a fellow liberal, has expressed security concerns over this the driver's licenses measure. At a time of heightened national security, undermineing this principle could result in me losing the election. Therefore, I will take the same stance on the issue Gray Davis took in 1998. It is not safe to grant free driver's liceses until I am AT LEAST a two-term incumbant.

It is irrelevan though, because Governor Davis already signed SB 60 into law. Under SB 60, there is simply no way to verify that a drivers' license applicant is actually who he says he is or whether he is a criminal or fugitive from justice.

As Governor I will:

Continue to say I will repeal SB 60 as quickly as possible.

Wait for the courts to void it like they did Prop. 187.

Bring SB 60 back around 2007 or so. It's for the children!

33 posted on 09/24/2003 1:08:40 PM PDT by BillyBoy (George Ryan deserves a long term...without parole.)
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No, Arnold, let me be clear. "legitimizing" illegal aliens in the United States is...listen closely...amnesty.

What a freakin' idiot. California deserves the musclehead.

37 posted on 09/24/2003 1:18:46 PM PDT by Spiff (Have you committed one random act of thoughtcrime today?)
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If you want the state of california run by the kennedy's, then vote for Arnold Schwarznkennedy. As for me and my house, we're voting for McClintock - www.helptom.com
38 posted on 09/24/2003 1:20:02 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (R.I.P. Holly Patterson who was killed by RU486 administered by Planned Parenthood)
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Seek reimbursement from Washington for health care and education costs associated with illegal immigration.

I don't think any (R)nold supporters should criticize non-Californians for influencing votes by speaking out.

Arnold wants a federal bail-out. I want no part of it.

41 posted on 09/24/2003 1:27:05 PM PDT by kidd
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Hey Sabertooth,

I notice that none of the usual pro-Arnold, conservative hating crowd have tried to respond to these facts. But, that is not unusual. I notice that in all of these debates they never respond to facts. Instead, they either say "a vote for McC is a vote for Busty" or "McC can't win".

They fail to realize that those cliches are not arguments, but, if you've been snowed by Arnold, you probably are not very intelligent to begin with. After all, they may as well vote for Robert Kennedy, Jr., as vote for Arnold. He as much as said that is who will run CA's environmental programs.
44 posted on 09/24/2003 1:38:38 PM PDT by brownie
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