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Solving the Immigration Impasse (Arnold redefines Amnesty)
JoinArnold.com - Schwarzenegger Campaign Website ^ | August, 2003 | Arnold Schwarzenegger

Posted on 09/24/2003 11:43:11 AM PDT by Sabertooth






Solving the Immigration Impasse

Summary:

Immigration has been the engine of California's economic prosperity and the richness of our culture. Almost 9 million Californians were born in a foreign country and nearly 40% of all households in our state speak a second language in addition to English. We have a proud tradition of being one of the most ethnically diverse places in the world.

But it is important to ensure that new immigrants enter California the right way, so that they can get on a path toward fully participating, and contributing, to the California economy. And we should make sure that we do so without undermining important national security protections.

Full Policy:

There are approximately 8 million undocumented immigrants in the United States; 2.5 million reside in California. The costs of providing social services to these individuals and incarcerating illegal immigrants is staggering - easily exceeding $3 billion a year.

Clearly, the federal government must do a much better job of enforcing the security of our borders, especially in the aftermath of 9/11. Washington must also provide more money to border states like California which ultimately shoulder the burden and the costs associated with illegal immigration. And Washington should pursue a responsible immigration policy that offers undocumented immigrants a path to permanent legal status.

As someone who came to the United States thirty-five years ago looking for opportunity, I understand the challenges immigrants face and I will work hard to elevate the debate on this important issue.

Fair Reimbursement for Illegal Immigration Costs

Immigration is a national responsibility and California should not be left to shoulder the massive burden of providing public services to illegal immigrants.

Last year, California only received $220 million to offset the costs of keeping illegal immigrants in jail. This is insufficient, and as governor of California, I will work with Congress, President Bush, and the Governors of other border states to correct this situation.

As Governor I will:

Putting Immigrants on a Path toward Citizenship.

It is important to ensure that new immigrants enter California the right way, so that they can get on a path toward fully participating, and contributing, to the California economy. And we should make sure that we do so without undermining important national security protections.

As Governor, I will:

Punish Immigrant Smugglers and Human Traffickers

Human traffickers and smugglers exploit and endanger immigrants as they violate our criminal and immigration laws. As Governor, I will crack down hard on those who engage in illegal human smuggling:

Promote English and Advance Citizenship

Immigrants who are not proficient in English pay a price: they earn 17% less than immigrants of similar backgrounds, experience, and education who are proficient in English.

Likewise, when English is the primary language taught in schools, immigrant children show marked improvement. In June 1998, California's voters gave a 61% landslide to public policy entrepreneur Ron Unz's Proposition 227 outlawing bilingual education. By the end of the following school year, immigrant 2nd graders in those California schools that were already in compliance with Prop. 227 were reading at the 35th percentile, compared to the 19th percentile for those in schools that were still bilingual.

As Californians bounded in diversity, we share a common language and culture regardless of our backgrounds.

As Governor, I will:

SB 60 - Driver's Licenses for Illegal Immigrants

I am an immigrant. I waited for ten years to get my American citizenship. And I know first-hand how immigrants who come to this country and obey the laws have struggled to achieve their dreams.

But we should not invite fraud or undermine law enforcement. Attorney General Bill Lockyer, the California Sheriff's Association, and the federal government have all expressed security concerns over this measure, and in a time of heightened national security, we should not undermine our nation's immigration laws.

Unfortunately, Governor Davis decided to put his political interests above the people's interest. He signed SB 60 into law even though he vetoed similar legislation before, citing security concerns. But SB 60 actually contains fewer protections than the bill Davis vetoed a year ago.

Under SB 60, there is simply no way to verify that a drivers' license applicant is actually who he says he is or whether he is a criminal or fugitive from justice.

As Governor I will:

Work to repeal SB 60 as quickly as possible



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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: amnesty; illegalaliens; illegals; johnmccain; mccain; republicanturncoats; s1461; sb60; schwarzenegger
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  • Deportation is not an option. We need to find a way to legitimize these individuals and get them on a path toward legal residency status in the United States.
  • Let me be clear: I do not support an amnesty program. The last time we tried that in the late 80s it didn't work, and there's little reason to think it would work now.

  • I am encouraged by the approach laid out by Senator McCain to provide a clear path for legitimizing undocumented immigrants who currently live their lives in the shadows. McCain's bill S 1461 - The Border Security and Immigration Act of 2003
    • A new H-4A visa for immigrants seeking temporary employment with important protections to ensure that immigrant workers are not exploited and that Californians are not displaced by unscrupulous employers;

    • A new H-4B visa for undocumented immigrants who entered the country before August 2003, have held a job since that time, and do not have a criminal record.

    • The opportunity for holders of these new visas to gain legal permanent residency status.
  • " Senator McCain's plan contains the key principles that should guide any proposal to solve the immigration impasse:

Schwarzenegger is acting from both sides of his mouth.

You can't support legalizing Illegal Aliens, and honestly say "I do not support an amnesty program."

Other quotes from Schwarzenegger...

"Proposition 187 has been resolved by the courts. It is time to move on. More than 2.3 million undocumented immigrants currently live in California. They cannot continue to live underground. I will work with federal officials to address this problem."
Schwarzenegger campaign website - joinarnold.com



Said Proposition 187, the 1994 measure that denied many services to illegal immigrants, was "history" because it has been largely voided by the courts. He supported the proposition at the time voters approved it. "Now we have to move forward with the whole thingand to look at it, what we're going to do with all the people that are undocumented immigrants here in this state. What should we do? Should we have them to stay here, which I think is the right way to do, but how do you then include them in our society, how do you make it official, how do you make it legal?" he said. He added he would try to team up with other states with large immigrant populations and lobby the federal government to address the issue.
Associated Press - August 27th, 2003


backpedaled
Schwarzenegger, who legally immigrated to this country from Austria in 1968, opposed issuing driver's licenses to undocumented immigrants. But he didn't rule out public services or amnesty for those who come into the country illegally.

He said he would work with other states to pressure the federal government, which controls immigration, to "come up with a solution once and for all." He also said allowing undocumented immigrants to stay in the United States is "the right thing to do."
Sacramento Bee – August 28th, 2003



Schwarzenegger criticized Davis for signing a bill granting driver's licenses to undocumented immigrants, saying, "We're leaving ourselves wide open to terrorism." And he repeated his support for a guest-worker visa program -- "then they can (get) driver's licenses hooked together with insurance."
Sacramento Bee - September 9th, 2003



Schwarzenegger said he opposed the bill because it would "bring danger to our state" because it doesn't require background checks of illegal immigrants.

He did, however, say he supported proposed federal legislation that would help those in the United States illegally become legal residents more quickly.
Sacramento Bee - September 17th, 2003

Since Arnold Schwarzenegger supports legalizing Illegal Aliens and then giving them drivers' licenses, how meaningful are his promises to support the overturning of SB60?

Why won't Schwarzenegger immediately support the referendum to overturn Illegal Alien drivers' licenses, in time to place the on the ballot for the March 2004 California Primary?

What do you suppose Karl Rove is thinking about such a referendum?


1 posted on 09/24/2003 11:43:11 AM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
Holy crap! We'd be better off to leave davis in office than let this loonie be governor.

He's completely insane.
2 posted on 09/24/2003 11:45:38 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush
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To: Marine Inspector; FITZ; Ajnin; Pelham; Travis McGee; sarcasm; harpseal; RonDog; MeeknMing; ...

((((((growl)))))


3 posted on 09/24/2003 11:46:31 AM PDT by Sabertooth (No Drivers' Licences for Illegal Aliens. Petition SB60. http://www.saveourlicense.com/n_home.htm)
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To: Bikers4Bush
Might as well let a Democrat lead the state to ruin than a Republican.

Thought Arnold might actually stand for something.

Was willing to give the RINO a pass as long as he would take a strong stand against the illegals.

But now, phooey, David seems little different than Arnold.
4 posted on 09/24/2003 11:54:46 AM PDT by auntdot
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To: Sabertooth; Travis McGee; Joe Hadenuff

"Deportation is not an option. We need to find a way to legitimize these individuals and get them on a path toward legal residency status in the United States."

But Tom Can't Win! (TM)

5 posted on 09/24/2003 11:58:24 AM PDT by ambrose (Free Tommy Chong!)
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To: Sabertooth
What's that I hear? The sound of chirping crickets?
6 posted on 09/24/2003 12:01:04 PM PDT by ambrose (Free Tommy Chong!)
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To: auntdot
Why exactly would you want the state to go down in ruins?

I would understand this feeling if you didn't live in the state, but if you live here, or heaven forbid, own a home here, how can you wish for disaster?



7 posted on 09/24/2003 12:01:26 PM PDT by Weimdog
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To: Sabertooth

"Chirp Chirp Chirp"

8 posted on 09/24/2003 12:06:30 PM PDT by ambrose (Free Tommy Chong!)
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To: Sabertooth
Deportation is not an option.

De facto amnesty. Two-faced Arnold strikes again.

9 posted on 09/24/2003 12:07:33 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Sabertooth
Thanks for posting that but he lost me after:

Immigration has been the engine of California's economic prosperity and the richness of our culture.

"...the richness of our culture"?

Riiiiight! I not only live in a country with millions of foreign nationals who believe that they are above the law, I also live in a country where the government agrees with the law-breaking foreign nationals. That ain't my idea of "cultural richness".

10 posted on 09/24/2003 12:12:41 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: Sabertooth
"Immigration has been the engine of California's economic prosperity"!?

"Deportation is not an option. We need to find a way to legitimize these individuals and get them on a path toward legal residency status in the United States."!


He's nuts!
Guess the steroids affected his mind, I thought his accent was from his youth in Austria, now I wonder if it is a sign of brain damage?

So far as the invasion from Mex. is concerned, Arnie will clearly be NO improvement over Grey-out!

Deport these criminals, and open up EIGHT MILLION jobs for Americans!
11 posted on 09/24/2003 12:14:53 PM PDT by Richard-SIA (Nuke the U.N!)
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To: Sabertooth
We have a proud tradition of being one of the most ethnically diverse places in the world

Actually, that's one of the most recent developments in California's history. And it's a reaction to the reality of California's past - when California had some of the first and most onerous alien laws in the country. In fact, Earl Warren and the Brown family made political careers out of guilt tripping Californians for those laws.

And if by "ethnically diverse" you mean a majority Mexican population, I have no idea how that qualifies as "diversity". Sounds rather monotone to me.

See ya, Arnie. Deportation is an option, and is in fact our law (note the "our" part).

Funny how the California Recall candidates have basically come down to two illegal aliens and one American.

I'm planning on voting for the American.

12 posted on 09/24/2003 12:18:47 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: Regulator
Arnold did a 180 on 187, claiming that it was a federal question. What does he think deportation is?
13 posted on 09/24/2003 12:21:26 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Sabertooth
Your One Stop Resource For All The California Recall News!

Want on our daily or major news ping lists? Freepmail DoctorZin

14 posted on 09/24/2003 12:25:08 PM PDT by DoctorZIn
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To: Weimdog
"Seek reimbursement from Washington for health care and education costs associated with illegal immigration. "

REIMBURSEMENT FOR COSTS FOR ILLEGAL.... - WRONG. There should be no cost associated with illegal immigration. Catch em and put them in the mojave desert at hard labor for 5 years. That will pay for any "costs". No social services for illegals = no cost for illegals. Arnold wants to continue social services for illegals. All you Arnold supporters beware, there is no way California can supply medical educational and legal services for the entire world wide illegal population. Arnold is incapable of making sense. But hey the polls say he is ahead and for some of you the left wing liberal politically correct polls rule. So go ahead and be ruled by them.

Stand Fast Tom. No retreat in the face of evil and lies.
15 posted on 09/24/2003 12:25:52 PM PDT by TomasUSMC (from tomasUSMC FIGHT FOR THE LAND OF THE FREE AND HOME OF THE BRAVE)
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To: Sabertooth
But...But...But... If we elect Arnold, there'll be an R on the Governors door and Bush will win the state and everyone will love each other and we'll evolve into peacefull light beings...
16 posted on 09/24/2003 12:27:12 PM PDT by Axenolith (You DON'T want to be underneath when the cows come home to roost...)
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To: Sabertooth
Deportation is not an option.

Hell, that's the law.

Seek reimbursement from Washington for health care and education costs associated with illegal immigration.

Collect it from Mexico not US tax payers.

17 posted on 09/24/2003 12:27:15 PM PDT by drypowder
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To: Sabertooth
I didn't see anything in this "plan" to close the border to further illegal encroachments. Its already a crime to smuggle people into the country, so this so-called "punishment" plan for traffickers is worthless without a strong border control policy. I am absolutely opposed to any type of 'amnesty' or streamlined citizenship process for those already here unless it is coupled to a closed border policy. Arnold is tampering in an area in which state governors have no authority: its called "Foreign Policy" and it is the purview of the US Executive Branch. This guy is nuts.
18 posted on 09/24/2003 12:28:07 PM PDT by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: Sabertooth
"Deportation is not an option. We need to find a way to legitimize these individuals and get them on a path toward legal residency status in the United States"

"Let me be clear: I do not support an amnesty program"
 


LOL!!

19 posted on 09/24/2003 12:28:40 PM PDT by VU4G10 (Have You Forgotten?)
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To: Sabertooth
They won't call it amnesty.

They'll call it "amnistia."

20 posted on 09/24/2003 12:34:47 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Regulator
It really does seem to be coming down to a situation where if McClintock can keep the RINO Schwarzenigger from being elected, it will be a victory for the Rs. A bit like kissing your sister, but a victory.
21 posted on 09/24/2003 12:38:42 PM PDT by johnb838 (Deconstruct the Left)
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To: Sabertooth
Oh, I don't think the policy, overall, is so bad. Surely on the amnesty issue he's trying, at least rhetorically, to have things both ways, yes.

McClintock is more consistent, but he guts his credibility in a different way, by promising to enforce Prop 187 and give its "day in court." It won't work. I never did get any substantive response to my request to the more McClintockian folks for some legal authority supporting McClintock re: 187. (I agree with Tom that Davis sold us out, that the proposition didn't truly get a fair day in court. But as a legal matter, there's no authority for getting another bite at the appeal apple on the grounds that the (duly-elected) governor and state atty. general decided to hose the people by bagging the appeal.)
22 posted on 09/24/2003 12:39:52 PM PDT by pogo101
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To: Sabertooth
EMAIL THE RINO!

info@joinarnold.com

 

 

23 posted on 09/24/2003 12:40:28 PM PDT by VU4G10 (Have You Forgotten?)
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To: 45Auto
I didn't see anything in this "plan" to close the border to further illegal encroachments. Its already a crime to smuggle people into the country, so this so-called "punishment" plan for traffickers is worthless without a strong border control policy. I am absolutely opposed to any type of 'amnesty' or streamlined citizenship process for those already here unless it is coupled to a closed border policy. Arnold is tampering in an area in which state governors have no authority: its called "Foreign Policy" and it is the purview of the US Executive Branch. This guy is nuts.

Well, while I oppose all Amnesties, regardless of them being coupled with better enforcement (I fell for that scam in 1986, and won't do it again), I can at least respect someone making the argument honestly, using words that have meanings which we all understand.

Unfortunately, Schwarzenegger is using Karl Rove's focus-grouped glossary.

Arnold, by his own, Amnesty-favoring words, repeatedly shows that he is untrustworthy on Illegal Aliens.


24 posted on 09/24/2003 12:44:45 PM PDT by Sabertooth (No Drivers' Licences for Illegal Aliens. Petition SB60. http://www.saveourlicense.com/n_home.htm)
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To: Regulator
Funny how the California Recall candidates have basically come down to two illegal aliens and one American.

I don't use the word "bigot" very often, but lines like this have be dusting it off. Or how about "nativist"?

As to the, uh, substance of your comment: Say what you will of Socialist Cruz (and it'd be welcome to hear criticism of him, rather than of Arnold, from McClintock stalwarts), but he was born here. As to Arnold being an "illegal immigrant," jeeze, where to begin? I think all who are fair-minded can agree he embodies the American Immigrant Dream, at least if we leave out his political ventures of late. The only drib-drab I've heard suggesting illegality relating to his pre-naturalization days is that he may have done gainful work during a time when his visa forbade employment. Even if that is true, it is only grounds for having rescinded his visa or otherwise penalizing him. It doesn't render his presence then, or his status now, illegitimate.

There is plenty to criticize in Cruz and in Arnold based on their policy proposals, from a pro-McClintock standpoint, without stooping to baldly ridiculous statements such as "illegal immigrant."
25 posted on 09/24/2003 12:49:06 PM PDT by pogo101
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To: Roscoe
What does he think deportation is?

An outstanding point. A rational gubernatorial candidate would say, uh, I don't have the authority to implement that particular federal law. But I do support upholding the laws.

Davis just signed a bill (SB 60) which is, under the definition that the anti-187 people used, an immigration law. So where is Judge Pfaelzer when you need her? Or Mark Rosenbaum, who was in on that case? We all know the answer. For them, it's a federal matter that the state can't interfere with when it goes against Los Inmigrantes, and it's a perfectly legitimate, morally necessary law when it goes for Los Ingrates.

The fact that Arnold doesn't get that, and thinks he has the right to make those determinations as governor, shows that he isn't any different from Davis or the MexiNazi, and still doesn't understand the American Federal system.

26 posted on 09/24/2003 12:49:17 PM PDT by Regulator (Cruz is the MexiNazi)
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To: Sabertooth
I would prefer that the INS (or whatever its called today under the new, improved cabinet Department of Homeland Security) be funded to round up every last illegal and escort them in none-too-nice a manner to the border. Fingerprint the lot of 'em and if they show up again, they get five years on a work farm. That should keep the price of lettuce down! But the reality is, that would be very difficult and very expensive. What we need is a closed border (and I mean very closed border) with serious enforcement, real head banging, for those who try to come across uninvited. I would have no problem with a stringent "guest worker program" (with time limits) that would keep track of who comes in and where they are.

A friend of mine did a six-month job in Switzerland last year; he had to have papers with him at all times. He had to be able to show who he was, where he worked, where he was living, how long his work visa was good for, and he had to check in with the Swiss immigration authorities every month. If he had missed his plane out by one day, he would have been arrested and would have had to show cause why the hell he was still in country. That's the way to do it.

27 posted on 09/24/2003 12:57:35 PM PDT by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: Regulator
I'm not a fan of Arnold, but he ain't here illegally. My wife and two of my kids (adopted) are naturalized citizens - just like Arnold. The two kids are now in the US military - my son is in the Army & my daughter in the Marines.

I don't like Arnold's immigration policy (assuming it is coherent enough to be called a policy), but I respect his effort to become a US citizen.

There are steps that could be taken - I'm thinking of calling out the National Guard to patrol the border - but I see no sign ANY US politician will take any serious steps to curb illegal immigration.
28 posted on 09/24/2003 12:58:51 PM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: pogo101
but he was born here -- Prove it. Go to Dinuba and get his birth certificate. Show that his parents came to the U.S. legally, or show me the case in U.S. federal law that incorporates the children of illegal aliens into the qualifying statement of the 14th amendment "and subject to the jurisdiction of". It doesn't even matter if he actually was born in the U.S., as far as I'm concerned, his citizenship has never been established in law.

I don't use the word "bigot" very often

Then don't use it, Jerk. Where do you think you get the right to judge me and my beliefs? Take your name calling and race-baiting and go join PUSH or MEChA.

29 posted on 09/24/2003 12:59:28 PM PDT by Regulator (Bomb Mexico Now. End Organized Evil in the Americas.)
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To: Bikers4Bush
Immigration has been the engine of California's economic prosperity

He starts out by saying immigrants fostered prosperity for California, than claims providing benefits to them should be a national burden.

Hey Arnold, if they're making money for California, contributing to the California economy, paying California taxes, etc., Why should the rest of the country shoulder the burden of providing benefits.? If they're illegal, kick 'em out. If they're legal and working to expand your economy, you take care of them and leave the rest of the country out of it.

30 posted on 09/24/2003 12:59:32 PM PDT by Attillathehon (Just got this story in my email.)
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To: Sabertooth
Seek reimbursement from Washington for health care and education costs associated with illegal immigration.

Great so Arnold wants all of us in the other states to pay for California's failure to enforce immigration laws?
31 posted on 09/24/2003 1:04:15 PM PDT by votelife (Free Bill Pryor)
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To: Regulator
Where do you think you get the right to judge me and my beliefs?

God and the First Amendment, sport. Take your pick.

Take your name calling and race-baiting and go join PUSH or MEChA.

*Laughs in your face* Yeah, right: accusing you of being bigoted for attacking two men solely based on their perceived alienage -- alienage that you either lie about or speculate ridiculously about -- is really "out there." As to race-baiting, I think you have me confused with the man in your mirror.

I stand by my post. The only thing we appear to agree on is that the doctrine whereby native-born children of aliens automatically are citizens is suspect.

And yes, I do judge you, just as you judge me. Better deal with it, 'cause I'm going to keep doing it. If you can't, just don't respond. Less for me to judge that way.
32 posted on 09/24/2003 1:07:51 PM PDT by pogo101
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To: Sabertooth
Translation: Third world immigration quadrupling Kalifornistan's population and making jobs non-existant in this state is good because it brings "diversity." 9 million Californians aren't even from here and half of our state can't speak English but this is a GOOD thing for Kalifornistan. We have a proud tradition of not assimulating any of them in the past 30 years and hence being one of the least "Amercian" looking states in the county.

It is not important to ensure that new immigrants enter California the legal way. No matter how they enter, we need their votes so and will get on a path toward fully participating in Kalifornistan's electoral process. And we should give token attention to important national security protections.

Full Policy:

There are approximately 8 million illegal criminals in the United States; over 2.5 million hide out in Kalifornistan. The costs of providing social services to these individuals and incarcerating illegal immigrants is staggering - easily exceeding $3 billion a year, but it's neccessary for "the children"

Clearly, the federal government must do a much better job of enforcing the security of our borders, especially in the aftermath of 9/11. But they won't do that, because RINOs like me need the immigrant vote. Instead, Washington must provide more taxpayers money to Kalifornia so will have enough funds to make sure illegal criminals live safe and comfortably in Kaliforistan and get all the benefits of citizenship. And Washington should immediately give all those illegal criminals full amnesty, like George W. Bush has proposed. Then we can give them drivers licenses and other goodies without looking like idiots.

As someone who came to the United States thirty-five years ago looking for American babes, I understand the challenges immigrants face from bad ol' "rule of law" issues and I will work hard to elevate the eliminate that pesky problem.

Fair Reimbursement for Illegal Immigration Costs

Pandering to illegal Immigration is a national responsibility and Kalifornistan should not be left to shoulder the massive burden of providing freebies for illegal immigrants.

Last year, California only received a mere $220,000,000 million to offset the costs of helping illegal immigrants. This is insufficient, and as governor of California, I will work with RINOs, President Bush, and the liberal Governors of other former conservative states (now turning socialist due to illegal immigrantion) to make sure we sepnd at least three billion to help illegals. Did I mension I am a "fiscal conservative"?

As Governor I will: Organize a coalition of states most impacted by immigrat votes to lobby Congress. This coalition will include other RINO and Liberal Governors from states like New York, New Mexico, Arizona, Illinois, in addition to Kalifornistan. Together, we represent 183 electoral votes, 165 of them from districts that wouldn't even exist if it weren't for the "benefits" of open immigration. If we speak with a unified voice for amnesty, Republicans and Democrats in Washington will listen.

Seek BIG $$$ from Washington for health care and education costs needed with illegal immigration. Putting Immigrants on a Path toward Blanket Amnesty.

It is not important to ensure that any immigrants enter Kalifornistan the right way. In any event, they can get on a path toward fully benefiting from Kalifornistan's budget and programs.

As Governor, I will:

Aggressively lobby Washington to set a date for amnesty that will give citizneship to all the illegal aliens currently in the United States.

Deportation is not an option. Only right-wing crazies support that. We need to find a amensty to legitimize these criminalsand get them on a path toward legal voting status in the United States. Especially the children!

Let me be clear: I support an amnesty program. I really don't care that the last time we tried that in the late 80s it didn't work, and that there's little reason to think it would work now.

I am encouraged by the approach laid out by my fellow RINO Senator McCain to provide a clear path for legitimizing illegal criminals who currently live their lives in the shadows. McCain's bill S 1461 - The Border Security and Immigration Act of 2003, provides amnesty without calling it amnesty. I love it!

A new H-4A visa for illegal immigrants seeking employment with no protections for American citizens ensures that immigrant workers are not deported and that Kalifornistan citizens are displaced by unscrupulous employers,

A new H-4B visa for Illegal immigrants who entered the country before August 2003, have held a job at 20 cents an hour wages since that time, and have a criminal record since they entered ILLEGALLY to begin with.

The opportunity of the holders of these new visas to gain free citizenship! JUST CALL 1-800-JOINARNOLD and pledge a "suggested donation" now!

" Senator McCain's plan contains the key principles that should guide any proposal to help the illegal immigration impasse:

Forign Employer Benefits: A market driven employment process and an easy, effective means to give 'em employment eligibility;

Foriegn Worker Protections: Initial availability of jobs that U.S. workers would normally have and periodic review to ensure that U.S. workers are displaced;

Foreign Worker Protections: Applicability of all U.S. labor standards and portability so that workers may change jobs without ever having to obey the rules and jeopardizing their immigration status.

Not Punish Immigrant Smugglers and Human Traffickers

Human traffickers and smugglers exploit and endanger poor illegal immigrants as they violate our criminal and immigration laws. As Governor, I will fight hard only against crack smuggling and not criminal smuggling:

Traffickers and smugglers should be censured by Congress and have to say they are really sorry and will never do it again. If their schemes result in death of potential illegal immigrant voters, they should be eligible for the death penalty. That is, unless I act like my fellow RINO George Ryan and suddenly "change my mind" about this pledge.

The federal Trafficking Victims Protection Act of 2001 establishes a special visa, the T-visa, for illegal immigrants who assist in investigations. As governor, I will order state law enforcement officials to work with their federal counterparts to prioritize and process applications for T-visas expeditiously.

Promote Spanish and Advance Citizenship

Immigrants who are not proficient in English are all over this state. We import 'em like crazy. They earn 17% less than immigrants of similar backgrounds, experience, and education who are proficient in English. In June 1998, California's voters gave a 61% landslide to Proposition 227 outlawing bilingual education. Clearly, Kalifornistan voters are right-wing crazies.

As Kalifornistans bounded in diversity (except for diverse political views-- note that every candidate for governor other than Tom McClintock has the SAME views), we don't share a common language and culture. I really wish we would, but that might make my potential voters MAD if they have to learn English.

As Governor, I will:

Work to improve education for all Californians, especially illegal aliens that want to go to college here, and especially to help new illegal immigrants learn how to get into college here.

Elimate the meaning of amnesty, so that all Illegals, new and old, share the same commitment to tolerance, equality, and compassion, and gullible voters think letting them stay here forever is "not amnesty"

Work with the federal government to provide amnesty to illegal immigrants who call 1-800-JOINARNOLD and pledge a "suggested donation" now.

SB 60 - Driver's Licenses for Illegal Immigrants

I am an immigrant. I waited for ten years to get my American citizenship. It sucked. And I know first-hand how legal immigrants who come to this country and obey the laws have struggled to achieve their dreams.

But we should invite fraud and undermine law enforcement. Attorney General Bill Lockyer, a fellow liberal, has expressed security concerns over this the driver's licenses measure. At a time of heightened national security, undermineing this principle could result in me losing the election. Therefore, I will take the same stance on the issue Gray Davis took in 1998. It is not safe to grant free driver's liceses until I am AT LEAST a two-term incumbant.

It is irrelevan though, because Governor Davis already signed SB 60 into law. Under SB 60, there is simply no way to verify that a drivers' license applicant is actually who he says he is or whether he is a criminal or fugitive from justice.

As Governor I will:

Continue to say I will repeal SB 60 as quickly as possible.

Wait for the courts to void it like they did Prop. 187.

Bring SB 60 back around 2007 or so. It's for the children!

33 posted on 09/24/2003 1:08:40 PM PDT by BillyBoy (George Ryan deserves a long term...without parole.)
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To: Mr Rogers
but he ain't here illegally

The issue is that he used a visa to get into the country which is essentially a non-immigrant visa. I don't know if he actually overstayed it, but that's a common tactic for illegals - get in on a non-immigrant visa, then just stay. As we saw with the hijackers, the probability of the government doing anything about it is zero.

Personally, compared to the other 13 million gate crashers camping out on our property now, he's probably the least of the transgressors. Certainly he would have been amnestied in under the 1986 law had he not initiated citizenship proceedings before that.

So he may be here legally now, but for part of the 1970's, he wasn't. Because when he started a business or took a job, he violated the terms of his visa. You may not think of it as a big deal, but those were the terms. And that made him...an illegal. (sidenote: I turned down a job in his native Austria in 1976 precisely because I did not have an Austrian work permit).

And so I have a little question for all the apologists. Do you really think that America before 1980 was such a small place that it did not home grow enough competent people to rule itself? That we are required to look to Mexico and Austria for our leaders? What precisely is it about either of those countries that would lead one to think that their sons and daughters have a better idea of how to make a better life for Americans than the sons and daughters of Americans?

34 posted on 09/24/2003 1:15:40 PM PDT by Regulator (OOPS! I forgot Cuba. Bomb Fidel. While we're at it, we can do the other dictators in Latin America.)
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To: TomasUSMC
I agree with you and I agree with Senator McClintock.

The box cars should be leaving the US every hour, on the hour, packed with illegals going back to Mexico.

Regardless, I will make my informed choice on October 7th. The (R) or (r) that is most likely to win will get my vote.

35 posted on 09/24/2003 1:16:02 PM PDT by Weimdog
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To: johnb838
It really does seem to be coming down to a situation where if McClintock can keep the RINO Schwarzenigger from being elected, it will be a victory for the Rs. A bit like kissing your sister, but a victory.

If Tom can keep Arnold from being elected? What, so that the current administration can continue giving away the state to illegals? So that illegals can get college financial aid easier than legals or citizens?

With Davis or Bustamante we get nothing but the downfall and bankruptcy of the largest state in the nation, the world's fifth largest economy. Arnold's stance on illegal immigrants can change, Davis and Bustamante's won't.
36 posted on 09/24/2003 1:17:16 PM PDT by kingu
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To: Sabertooth

No, Arnold, let me be clear. "legitimizing" illegal aliens in the United States is...listen closely...amnesty.

What a freakin' idiot. California deserves the musclehead.

37 posted on 09/24/2003 1:18:46 PM PDT by Spiff (Have you committed one random act of thoughtcrime today?)
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To: Sabertooth
If you want the state of california run by the kennedy's, then vote for Arnold Schwarznkennedy. As for me and my house, we're voting for McClintock - www.helptom.com
38 posted on 09/24/2003 1:20:02 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (R.I.P. Holly Patterson who was killed by RU486 administered by Planned Parenthood)
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To: votelife
Great so Arnold wants all of us in the other states to pay for California's failure to enforce immigration laws?

Last I checked the Immigration and Naturalization Service was a federal agency charged with keeping our borders secure. Perhaps you'll helpfully join us in demanding that they do their job. I'd think that an eight billion dollar a year bill from California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas ought to get the ball rolling, don't you?
39 posted on 09/24/2003 1:21:22 PM PDT by kingu
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To: pogo101
I do judge you, just as you judge me

You're the guy slinging the insults. You don't like my speculations, rationally refute them. You still have not done so, and so you're nothing but a race-baiting name caller, no different from any finger pointing leftist.

Better deal with it, 'cause I'm going to keep doing it

Ooooohh...gosh, a cheesy little threat. How scary. Will you be typing mean things at me? How awful. How terrifying.

See ya, PogoStick. You Bigot.

40 posted on 09/24/2003 1:25:13 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: Sabertooth
Seek reimbursement from Washington for health care and education costs associated with illegal immigration.

I don't think any (R)nold supporters should criticize non-Californians for influencing votes by speaking out.

Arnold wants a federal bail-out. I want no part of it.

41 posted on 09/24/2003 1:27:05 PM PDT by kidd
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To: Spiff
Please explain how you are going to deport 2.5 million people out of California. At the throwback rate of 1000 a day, everyday of every year, it would take over 7 years to send them all back.

We should work to close the borders immediately, and then come up with a realistic solution to solve the rest.
42 posted on 09/24/2003 1:28:42 PM PDT by bootyist-monk (Thunder makes all the noise; lightning gets the job done)
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To: bootyist-monk
Please explain how you are going to deport 2.5 million people out of California. At the throwback rate of 1000 a day, everyday of every year, it would take over 7 years to send them all back. We should work to close the borders immediately, and then come up with a realistic solution to solve the rest.

You know, maybe we should let shoplifters go because it is just too hard to process them, try them, and imprison them. There's just too many of them. We need to come up with a realistic solution to solve the shoplifting problem without actually arresting anyone for breaking the law.

But, you missed by original point. In one line Arnold says he's against amnesty and in the very next line he says he's for amnesty (legitimizing illegal aliens). Maybe you were confused by the transparent euphemism he used for amnesty. I wasn't.

43 posted on 09/24/2003 1:31:59 PM PDT by Spiff (Have you committed one random act of thoughtcrime today?)
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To: Sabertooth
Hey Sabertooth,

I notice that none of the usual pro-Arnold, conservative hating crowd have tried to respond to these facts. But, that is not unusual. I notice that in all of these debates they never respond to facts. Instead, they either say "a vote for McC is a vote for Busty" or "McC can't win".

They fail to realize that those cliches are not arguments, but, if you've been snowed by Arnold, you probably are not very intelligent to begin with. After all, they may as well vote for Robert Kennedy, Jr., as vote for Arnold. He as much as said that is who will run CA's environmental programs.
44 posted on 09/24/2003 1:38:38 PM PDT by brownie
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To: bootyist-monk; Spiff; Sabertooth
Please explain how you are going to deport 2.5 million people out of California. At the throwback rate of 1000 a day, everyday of every year, it would take over 7 years to send them all back.

If the government was serious about rounding them up and giving them the choice of being put to work in labor camps building a nice strong wall along the border or being dropped on the beach on the Ycatan peninsula by an amphibious ship, you can bet that there would be a stampede toward the border requiring no law enforcement at all.

The first step is to start prosecuting big employers of illegals to loosen them up and get them to break out into the open.

Start with Tyson foods.

45 posted on 09/24/2003 1:43:02 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: kingu
Arnold's stance on illegal immigrants can change...

So just why would his stance change?

Have you seen any specific indications that he will change or are you just hoping it will somehow magically happen?

46 posted on 09/24/2003 1:44:09 PM PDT by Bob (http://www.TomMcClintock.com)
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To: bootyist-monk
Historically, bounty programs work too. Unemployed workers would then have a double incentive.
47 posted on 09/24/2003 1:44:40 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: Carry_Okie
...being put to work in labor camps building a nice strong wall along the border...

LOL! I really like the way you think. Very creative.

48 posted on 09/24/2003 1:46:50 PM PDT by Bob (http://www.TomMcClintock.com)
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To: Bob
Hmm, specific indications... Aside from Pete Wilson who finally suceeded in getting Arnold to campaign against Indian special interests and to put forward the idea that the casinos can start ponying up money to the state? No, not really.

I only have the one true thing about legal immigrants who later became citizens - they hate illegals with a passion, they hate illegals who haul their family into their criminal conspiracy even more. Guest worker visas and the rest only cover the person working, not their family.

There's a good reason why the 'undocumented worker' gang at the LA Slimes have started putting repeated hit pieces in the editorial section, it's because they can see it as well.
49 posted on 09/24/2003 1:51:22 PM PDT by kingu
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To: Regulator
Hey FRiend. FYI, as things stand right now, I vote for the other guy, but "I defend" your right to vote for who you choose.

I just wanted to ask you what you meant by "illegal" with regard to "two" candidates.

I also don't think the "debates" serve any of us well, if they become hate filled. We may have different ideological differences, but we all want to make sure it ISN'T MEChABustamante or DAVIS who win.

I'll take McClintock ~or~ Schwarznegger any day over those two!! God FORBID!! (I mean that in all seriousness!!)

Anyway.. I've known you for YEARS on this forum. I have to say this race has brought out some of the worst in people I honestly respect and have admired since we both joined this forum.

I think we all need to understand that we can agree to disagree at times. This situation is going to NEED to be one of those times.

But maybe we can try not to digress to name calling. I just can't see how that serves a purpose other than to help the DEMS win.

They have to be lurking and loving every minute of this.

In the end we will need to unite behind ONE candidate. Darrell Issa said so on Fox News today. Otherwise, we lose!! After the debate tonight he will campaign for just that. He will ENDORSE one candidate. He is waiting.. perhaps it would be prudent of all of us to do likewise. Just a thought.. and MHO.

FRegards FRiend
50 posted on 09/24/2003 1:57:48 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife (CNN: Where " WE report what WE decide!!")
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