Solving the Immigration Impasse (Arnold redefines Amnesty)

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[Sabertooth]

How many millions of illegals do you expect will be deported?

A few hundred thousand should do it.

Most of the rest will deport themsleves.

Who will hunt them down? Will dogs be used to hunt them? Who will deport them?

Dogs? You're talking like a hyperbolic Democrat.

Agents of the federal government will apprehend and deport Illegal Aliens, in accordance with U.S. law. They aren't hard at all to find, really. The IRS knows where hundreds of thousands of them work.

When will the deportation start?

Three to six months after the announcement of zero tolerance for Illegal Aliens. We will compassionately give Illegals with a conscience and common sense a window of opportunity to beat the rush.

What about the illegals with children who are US citizens?

They will have the same option as American citizens relocating to a foreign nation: they can take their children with them, or they can leave them in America.

The federal government should not assert primacy over children of Illegal Aliens who are American citizens.

Congress should also pass legislation nullifying the anchor baby phenomenon in the future, as it is a magnet for Illegal Aliens.

How much will it cost?

Whatever it takes. A lot less than the handwringers imagine, a lot less than a wall or militarized border, and a lot less than the current financial drain of Illegal Aliens upon our federal, state, and local governments.

How many people will die?

Wouldn't that depend on the degree of lawlessness exhibited by Illegal Aliens in avoiding deportation? Their choice.

Will the anti-deportation riots start in Los Angeles, or San Francisco or El Paso or the whole southwest....?

The failure-to-deport riots started in Los Angeles in 1992. More than half of those arrested in the Rodney King riots were Latino, a substantial number of them Illegal Aliens.

In your pro-Amnesty handwringing you are advocating a surrender to Illegal Aliens. Amnesty and surrender will not deter future waves of this invasion; more Illegals will only be encouraged by the failure of will that you advocate.

If you sincerely believe that a 2,000 mile wall or a militarized border is a feasibility, you haven't computed the number of troops involved (hundreds of thousands, unless they're under shoot-to-kill orders) or the costs, which would run into the tens of billions annually.

A highly motivated self-deportation of Illegal Aliens is definitely the least expensive and most peaceful way to go, in conjunction with employer crack-downs and Congressional legislation relieving the states of any obligation to provide services or payouts to Illegals.

Once this program is undertaken, the number of Illegals heading south will overtake the number coming north. The effect of this will be to dissuade more would-be Illgals from even making the attempt, tipping the balance of border crossings by Illegals ever further in our favor.

Amnesty, as History and common sense inform us, isn't a solution to Illegal Aliens, it's a perpetuation of the problem.

[Consort]

Three to six months after the announcement of zero tolerance for Illegal Aliens.

When can we expect this to happen? Who will declare it?

[Consort]

It will happen just like you say it will, or amnesty will be granted. One or the other. Which will it be in your opinion — deportation or amnesty?

[Sabertooth]

When can we expect this to happen? Who will declare it?

Probably someone not yet elected, so I don't know when it will happen.

President Bush is a colossal disappointment in this regard.

It will happen just like you say it will, or amnesty will be granted. One or the other. Which will it be in your opinion - deportation or amnesty?

I think it's a actually a three-way toss up. More of the do-nothing same is also a possibility.

I think a lot of Republicans think they can out-Democrat the Democrats, and that's a danger. I think an Amnesty would cause a massive disaffection among millions of Republicans with the party.

I'm optimistic, though, that things will come to a head this year. Eight of ten Democrat Presidential candidates have come out for Amnesty. At this writing, there are about a half dozen different Amnesty proposals in Congress, from both parties

Yet this is all contrary to the will of the American people, who are consistently opposed to Illegal Aliens in numbers from 60% to %70. The hope is in We the People.

There will be ballot referenda opposing Illegals in California and Arizona next year, and they will win overwhelmingly.

Hopefully, Republican politicians will get the message, and it won't be necessary to throw them out of office because the Amnestied Ilegal Aliens.

[Regulator]

Thought you signed off. Apparently you can't even keep your word to do that.

So one last time: take your name calling and self righteous BS and...put it where the sun don't shine. Go run your game on someone else.

[pogo101]

I didn't give you my word, bigot, either to sign off or to do anything else. Keep your fantasies about shoving things to yourself, along with your nativist nonsense. Want more? I got more. Don't? Then shut it.

[Regulator]

Keep up the name calling. That way, everyone can see who you are. Why not just split from the forum? So far, that's all you've contributed.

[pogo101]

Name-calling? I called you is "bigot" and "nativist" -- justly, in response to your comments that Arnold and Cruz are "illegal aliens" and that, substantially for that reason, you were going to "vote for the American." You also posted yesterday to the effect that we shouldn't elect anyone who is foreign-born, because we have enough good people who WERE born here. That's nativist bigotry. In contrast, I have this funny little principle that the best person for the job is the best person for the job, regardless of country of birth. So much for the notion that I "keep up" any "name calling."

You, on the other hand, spewed "jerk," accused me of being a member of PUSH and MEChA, a "leftist," and of being a "bigot" myself.

So lemme get this straight:

I call you a bigot, for the reasons above.
You call me a bigot (with NO explanation) -- PLUS at least four other derogations.

But to you, I, the one who "called" fewer "names," am the big "name-caller" amongst the two of us.

Riiiiight.

[republicofdavis]

"I notice that none of the usual pro-Arnold, conservative hating crowd have tried to respond to these facts. But, that is not unusual. I notice that in all of these debates they never respond to facts. Instead, they either say "a vote for McC is a vote for Busty" or "McC can't win"."

Hogwash. There has been much fact-specific debate on many threads, just as there a great deal of thoughtless, inane, rambling, cryptic (or as above) stereotypical remarks on both sides.

Everyone is speculating here on how they think things are going to turn out. Here's how I see it:

1) Tom would be the best Governor;
2)He will not win. I believe that strongly but it is just my opinion, based on many years of political observation in California.
3) Arnold would be a damn sight better than Bustamente or Davis, and would lead to more people being willing to consider Republican principles.

I don't know any of these things for certain, but I believe them. And as for addressing the facts, Arnold is not as strong on immigration as I would prefer. Bustamente would be much worse. Those are my choices.

[republicofdavis]

I think you missed the point of Regulator's comment. See, even if Busty was born here, it doesn't matter because his parents weren't and even if he has been naturalized or granted amnesty or whatever, it doesn't matter because the 14th Amendment doesn't allow children of non-citizen parents to be naturalized even though everyone accepts that it does . . .

or something like that

[pogo101]

PM response on the way, thanks.

[kennyo]

Schwarzenegger is acting from both sides of his mouth.

I don't think so,Sabe.He's talking out his mouth and his ass.One's as ugly as the other.

[Pelham]

and sunshine, too

[Pelham]

Can't wait to hear Austrian-Accented Spanish. It sure didn't work for Emperor Maximilian.

Lol. You're right, somebody ought to tell Arnold about what happens to Those Who Don't Learn From History. Maria will be taking out a bigger policy on him.

[Afronaut]

Bump for the eyes of Rino Traitors to the decency of the U.S.

[truthkeeper]

I'm glad to see you are supporting Tom. I knew there was a reason I always liked you.

How about a little bump for truth for this thread?

[rintense]

BUMP for truth!

[truthkeeper]

Volley bump.
Check out this thread with more of that messy truth stuff in it:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/989405/posts?page=62

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