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MUSLIM APOCALYPTIC WRITERS INDICATE FUTURE STRIKES ON NEW YORK AND VATICAN
http://www.spiritdaily.com/muslimapocalyptic.htm ^ | 9/17/03 | spiritdaily.com

Posted on 09/17/2003 10:49:25 AM PDT by Polycarp

MUSLIM APOCALYPTIC WRITERS INDICATE FUTURE STRIKES ON NEW YORK AND VATICAN

Muslim apocalyptic writers indicate that the long-term targets of terrorism will continue to be Washington and New York -- along with the Vatican.

This is apparent from recent Islamic literature that focuses on what many Muslims believe is a coming anti-christ-like figure called the Dajjal, who will supposedly spring up from the U.S. and "Greater Israel," defined by many Muslims as worldwide Jewish influence propelled by the United States. They see endless mishaps for America and its largest city, from nuclear war to natural calamities by which -- in the words of one of the writers, Muhammad `Isa Da'ud -- "the sea will swallow up New York."

"There can be no doubt of the profound hostility entertained by Muslim apocalyptic writers towards the United States, and their intense desire to humiliate it and see it destroyed forever," notes David Cook of the University of Chicago.

In chilling references that predate September 11, Muslim philosophers -- including at least one said to have influenced Bin Laden -- have used terms like "partial strike" and link it to the war over Kuwait as well as the immorality they saw as flourishing in the West, especially under the Clinton Administration. In a bizarre rendering of symbols, Muslim apocalypticists have cited Jeremiah 50:2 and 51:44, where the figure of "Bel" (a Babylonian god) is "punished in Babylon." They connect "Bel" to "Bill" Clinton.

But it isn't just Bill Clinton; the venom is spread wide and far. According to one scenario set forth by Muslim apocalypticist Bashir Muhammad 'Abdallah, the first battle of the End Times was the Kuwait War of 1991, which he refers to as the Third World War as he links America to "the Masons and other secret Jewish organizations."

In Muslim apocalyptic literature, America is associated with "Ad," a city whose destruction is detailed in the Koran. Ad was an advanced civilization, according to Cook, who has studied the Muslim apocalyptic interpretations and quotes Abdallah as seeing Ad as a civilization that "could predict weather and possessed other advanced technology.

"They had advanced weaponry and organized sports and cultural events," Cook writes, summarizing the Muslim beliefs regarding the evil power they had to overthrow. "These, however, were merely for pleasure, not for the purpose of glorifying God. Their buildings were skyscrapers [speaking of their capital, Iram dhat al-`Imad], just as in New York."

Therefore, says Abdallah, "America deserves now, according to the sunna of God regarding the punishment of nations, a partial strike like that which caught Ad." In the matter of earthquakes or khasfs, says Cook, the Muslim apocalyptic writers believe America will be targeted "and specifically New York City, which is called the 'great Babylon.'"

But if such literature is predictive of where terrorists -- believing they are doing God's bidding -- may also strike, other cities may bear similar concerns. In future apocalyptic scenarios the writers see missiles destroying a total of "five American cities," says Cook.

Time and again, reference is made to the war with Iraq over Kuwait -- which ironically now figures so prominently into the current presidency of former President Bush's son. New York is focused upon by Muslim fanatics because "there are more Jews than in other places, and in it is their wealth, their banks, their political foundations which control the entire world, so there is no evil greater than in New York in any other place on the inhabited earth, and for this reason their portion of the punishment will be greater in measure and it will be a total uprooting," notes Cook in his splendid scholarship.

The destruction of New York and the U.S. by everything from war to earthquakes is accompanied by ominous Islamic prophetic interpretations that have the U.S. defeated in Jerusalem.

"After this," notes Cook, "the victorious Muslims will conquer Europe and destroy the 'idolatrous church in the Vatican.'

"This will lead to the brief reign of the Mahdi, which will be ended by the physical appearance of the Dajjal himself, who will gather another huge army to fight the Battle of Armageddon."

The "Mahdi" is a messianic figure whom some radicals now associate with Osama Bin Laden. According to Muslim writers, the Mahdi will proclaim himself in Mecca and move against Jordan, which will be ruled by a Jew.

"Then America will live through the worst disaster in its history," writes Muhammad 'Isa Da'ud. "This disaster will be the destruction of New York by a terrible flood after a terrifying series of explosions nearby makes the surrounding waters swallow it up as if it is an ant inside a terrifying star of heat and water."

In the perspective of these Muslim writers, "Florida also suffers nuclear explosions of unknown origin and this triggers even more explosions as the American nuclear arsenal in the area detonates."

After the disabling of the U.S., much of Europe will convert to Islam, in the view of modern Muslim prophetic writers, but there will be one stumbling block. "This ideal state of affairs is wrecked by the Vatican, since groups of saboteurs under Roman Catholic control are caught, and brought before the Mahdi," says Cook. "They confess who sent them to him personally and to representatives of the foreign countries. Then the Mahdi proclaims that his armies are moving to the Vatican and going to attack Rome."

It is a sobering warning on both short-term and long-term radical Muslim intentions. Let us make clear that this is not a view held by the majority of those who adhere to Islam. But it is prevalent in large circles that have spawned groups like Hamas and al-Qaeda. "Washington, the city of the American White House, where the policies of Satan are made, and the cursed Congress, whose decisions are led by the devil, and approved by the anti-christ -- fires swallow them up and they become past tense," writes the Muslim writer Da'ud.

Why the World Trade Center? Why the Pentagon? Besides the obvious nature of these symbols, they relate to the prophetic view of future events. "Bin Laden lives in a symbolic universe which reads apocalyptically," says another scholar, Richard Landes, director of the Center for Millennial Studies at Boston University.

"We need to consider both issues -- the motivations of Bin Laden and the Arab-Israeli conflict in light of Islamism and its apocalyptic world view. Bin Laden is a central player in a cosmic battle that pits the warriors for truth against the agents of Satan and evil in this world. For a good idea of what this vision consists of, see the web site named in honor of Abdullah Azzam, Bin Laden's (now dead) mentor and the founder of MAK, the predecessor to Al Qa'ida, especially the apocalyptic reading of the present world situation by a respected Saudi theologian, Sifr al-Hawali. He uses Daniel to prove that the second intifada began the 'Day of Rage of the Lord.' See also Islam, Qur'an and Qiyamah, by a moderate theologian who dislikes the fundamentalists, but nonetheless reads Sura 57 of the Koran as an apocalyptic prophecy fulfilled in the Trade Center bombing."

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1 posted on 09/17/2003 10:49:26 AM PDT by Polycarp
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To: Polycarp
Heck, if it would appease them by handing over clinton, that's one thing I'd certainly consider!
2 posted on 09/17/2003 10:51:13 AM PDT by Monty22
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To: Polycarp
Looks like a "Turner Diaries" for Muslim whackos.
3 posted on 09/17/2003 10:52:03 AM PDT by Kenton
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To: Polycarp
This has been a religious war from the outset. Anyone who still doesn't see that is blind.

4 posted on 09/17/2003 10:52:14 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush
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To: .45MAN; AAABEST; AKA Elena; al_c; american colleen; Angelus Errare; Antoninus; aposiopetic; ...
Consider the source, then take it with a grain of salt, or if nothing else take it as humor. I don't know anything about these claims but find them entertaining if nothing else.
5 posted on 09/17/2003 10:52:23 AM PDT by Polycarp ("women will be saved through childbearing--if they continue in faith, love and holiness" 1Tim2:15)
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To: Polycarp
It is my wish that in 50 years the most popular tourist attraction in the Middle East will be the "Mecca Crater".
6 posted on 09/17/2003 10:53:40 AM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: Monty22; Polycarp
To find out how it all ends, turn to Zechariah chapter 14.
7 posted on 09/17/2003 10:53:46 AM PDT by Alouette (The bombing begins in five minutes.)
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To: Polycarp
"the victorious Muslims will conquer Europe and destroy the 'idolatrous church in the Vatican.'

But I read in the New York Times that the root causes of terrorism are all of American origin.

Maybe if Bush would sign the Kyoto Agreement and put an end to foreign McDonald’s franchises, these muslims will become our friends.

8 posted on 09/17/2003 10:54:38 AM PDT by dead (Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead!)
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To: Polycarp
Good thing I didn't have my reading glasses on when I opened this thread.
9 posted on 09/17/2003 10:54:43 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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To: Polycarp
"Muslim apocalypticists have cited Jeremiah 50:2 and 51:44, where the figure of "Bel" (a Babylonian god) is "punished in Babylon." They connect "Bel" to "Bill" Clinton."

Well.....that got one thing right.... :o

10 posted on 09/17/2003 10:55:22 AM PDT by BossLady (Punch card voting since 1981.......)
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To: Polycarp
The Vatican?

NUKE MECCA

Jack Wheeler Freedom Research Foundation September 15, 2001

The British Prime Minister, Tony Blair, has now publicly warned that Moslem Terrorists may next use biochemical or nuclear weapons against America. The consensus is widespread among Western professional military and geopolitical analysts that this is now a clear possibility. Radical Islamists throughout the entire Moslem world are whipping people into a rabid frenzy of rage against America.

There is absolutely no way to placate or appease or negotiate with these people. There is absolutely no way that America will not militarily assault the bastions of Moslem Terrorism and make every effort to hunt down and kill Osama Bin Laden, his followers, and all those who participated in the atrocity of September 11. Any appeals to not do so because it will not end "the cycle of violence" will fall on deaf American ears, and rightly so. We want these bastards put to death.

We will do this. Yet the threat of a far more murderous next round of terror is fully real. But how could it be stopped? How can you stop people who are willing to die for their evil cause? How can you protect every plane, every building, every place in which a suitcase nuke could be hidden, every water supply that could be poisoned with biochemical agents? The answer is that you can't. So what can we do, how can we possibly protect ourselves from these impossibly insane monsters?

Let's look at it another way. Moslem Terrorists come from different countries. They aren't located in any one place or nation. We are not at war with a nation-state, like Japan or Germany, but a phenomenon, a will-o'the-wisp wraith that's nowhere in particular and could be everywhere. So we can't defeat them geographically. How else can we defeat them? Yes, we can and must send military forces, mostly Special Operations teams, to hunt them down and kill them individually. But let's go deeper.

What do all Moslem Terrorists have in common no matter where they come from? Obviously, they are all Moslems. Hunting them down and killing them individually will take time. And they are not afraid to die, as they are convinced by dying in a Jihad against America they will go to Moslem Heaven. Is there, then, a threat we could quite credibly make to all of them as a whole, a threat so terrifying and horrible that they might cease any further attempt to attack America and civilization?

Yes, there is - a threat to utterly obliterate for all time the sacred center of their religion, the Holy City of Mecca.

The one and only thing that would shake a Moslem Terrorist's soul to the core, that would cause him to abandon his activities, that would pour ice cold water on the boiling rage against America emerging throughout the Moslem world, is if the President of the United States went on world television and gave the following speech:

"My fellow Americans and fellow citizens of the civilized world: I have today ordered the targeting of our intercontinental nuclear ballistic missiles on the city of Mecca in Saudi Arabia. It is not that the Holy City of Mecca will be targeted if there is another terror attack upon America as bad or worse than that of September 11. It is that Mecca is now already targeted.

"Military officers in the most secure bunkers in the world have their fingers on the nuclear button as we speak. If there is another terrorist attack on America that kills thousands of Americans, that button will be pushed. Once that button is pushed, the missile is on its way, and there is no power on earth nor beyond that can stop the complete and total obliteration of the sacred center of the Moslem religion - forever.

"I realize what a terrible threat this is. But America is faced with the most evil and incomprehensibly monstrous threat such that only the most incomprehensibly monstrous threat to those that threaten us will protect us. So let me now speak to those in the world who wish to destroy our civilization. America is the only nation that has used nuclear weapons, and we make no apologies for it. We were attacked at Pearl Harbor and we put an end to it at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. So you know we are capable of doing what we say.

"You attacked us in New York and Washington, slaughtering thousands of innocent civilians - and we will put an end to it in Mecca if you attack us again, so help me God.

"I also realize that the vast majority of Moslems in the world do not support terrorism and will be horrified by my pronouncement. I must be frank with you. The people who threaten us claim to be Moslems, claim to be motivated by the teachings and beliefs of your religion. Moslem Terrorism is a sickness, a moral disease within the Moslem community. It must be your job, then, to rid and cure your community of this disease. We want peace. That is all we are asking for, not to be terrorized. If the threat I am instituting today is what it takes to achieve that, so be it. Get this poison out of your community, cure the sickness within the souls of your fellow Moslems, and our fingers will come off the button - but not until.

"The attack on America on September 11 was an attack on civilization itself. As your President, I vow that I will do whatever it takes to protect our country and our civilization. My decision today should be seen in that light. May God Bless America."

What makes this threat so credible is not only our history but that public opinion polls are showing that over one-third of Americans are in favor of using nuclear weapons to go after Osama Bin Laden. Now - let's take a deep breath at this point. It was the threat of thermonuclear war that prevented the Cold War from becoming hot. The threat was so horrific nukes were never used. This is the purpose of the threat to nuke Mecca. No threat to nuke or flatten any other place, Baghdad or Afghanistan, would remotely do as much good. Only the threat - the believable threat -- to destroy the one place utterly sacred to the Moslem Terrorists will be effective. The terrorists must understand that when left alone, Americans are peaceful. But when Americans are attacked like at Pearl Harbor or New York, we become the meanest, nastiest, most ruthless sons-of-bitches on the planet. While we are engaged in hunting them down and killing them, the terrorists must understand that if they attack us again we will wipe Mecca off the face of this earth.

Thus the threat to Nuke Mecca may result in a kind of Cold War standoff - don't kill us in a germ war attack, we don't vaporize the Kaaba. So the threat just gives us a breathing space. What has to come after is a comprehensive geopolitical plan to bring Islam in general and the Arab world in particular into the civilized world. One of the most important is to launch a serious demand for Arab Democracy.

The Arab world is a morass of fascism and dictatorship. While history demonstrates that democracies very rarely fight each other, the West refuses to demand the democratization of dictatorships like Syria and the Palestinian Authority for the demand is a slippery slope to the democratization and possible resultant destabilization of Saudi Arabia, the world's great supplier of oil.

Yet there is no other path to peace in the Middle East, either regarding Israel or Islam vs. America, other than the democratization of the entire Middle East including Saudi Arabia. Couple this with the fact that the threat to nuke Mecca would drive the Saudis around an apoplectic bend as Mecca is in their country. This means we have to move quickly to secure major alternatives to the supply of oil:

* Saddam Hussein has to finally be assassinated and Iraq - a make-believe country in the first place, created by the Brits after World War I - dismembered. Turkey would get the Kirkuk oil fields on the condition to give the Kurds regional autonomy. Iran would get Basra on the condition to abandon radical Islam, whereupon its pipelines could carry Caspian Sea oil to its port at Bandar Abbas. A pro-West Iran would flourish. Baghdad would end up a city-state, to either democratically and capitalistically prosper or end up like the abandoned ruins of Babylon.

* Nigeria must be secured, with President Olesegun Obasanjo assisted in truly ending rapacious corruption, instituting the rule of law, providing regional autonomy, and stabilizing his country.

* The rule of Castro-wannabe Hugo Chavez in Venezuela must be terminated. The US imports more oil from Venezuela than from Saudi and Chavez is destroying both its economy and political institutions.

* A joint military task force from the armies of Brazil, Argentina, Chile, and Peru must be formed with US cooperation to militarily eradicate the FARC and other narco-marxist guerrillas from Colombia.

* Obviously ANWR in Alaska must be drilled, and a crash program to develop methods to safely and efficiently extract the two trillion (yes, with a 't') barrels of oil presently locked into tarsand deposits in the US and Canada.

With no resultant need for dependence upon Saudi oil, the Arab democratization can proceed apace. In tandem with the democratization of Islam would be the worldwide promotion of "Jadidism" as the Islamic alternative to "Jihadism." The Jadid ("New") Movement arose in Central Asia 100 years ago, and was snuffed out by the Soviets. It's revival is the means by which a modernized Islam embracing and flourishng in the civilized world can end envious Jihadism.

These are all medium and long-range goals. The immediate goal for America right now, in addition to physically liquidating the perpetrators and sponsors of September 11, is to do something so shocking, make a threat so stupefyingly outrageous, to Moslem Terrorists that they would abandon further attacks upon us. A clear and credible threat to Nuke Mecca is that something. It will undoubtedly cause a good many Moslems around the world to indulge in all kinds of anti-American spasms - riots, attacks on embassies, and the like. But this is full out war. We've got to risk casualties and unpleasantness. Riots don't mean a thing compared to tens or hundreds of thousands of Americans being killed in a germ or biochemical attack. This is what must be prevented at all cost.

Besides, the threat to Nuke Mecca is not the only threat that would stop the terrorists in their tracks, To show them we mean business, we could offer to blow the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem to smithereens. It wouldn't even take nukes - a handful of Tomahawk cruise missiles with conventional warheads would do the job quite easily. After the second most sacred spot in Islam is a pile of rubble, it would dawn on them that we really do have the chutzpah to nuclearize their holiest of holies. Once the Moslem Terrorists, their supporters and sponsors and apologizers, are faced with the systematic destruction of all that is sacred to them, we stand the chance of being left alone in peace.

Jack Wheeler Freedom Research Foundation (c)copyright 2001 Dr. Jack Wheeler and the Freedom Research Foundation.

11 posted on 09/17/2003 10:56:26 AM PDT by StriperSniper (The slippery slope is getting steeper.)
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To: Liz; eastsider
"This disaster will be the destruction of New York by a terrible flood after a terrifying series of explosions nearby makes the surrounding waters swallow it up as if it is an ant inside a terrifying star of heat and water."

You still have plenty of time to take out flood insurance. Does the rate go down the higher up you are?

12 posted on 09/17/2003 10:58:04 AM PDT by NYer (Catholic and living it.)
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To: Bikers4Bush
Tours. Lepanto. Constantinople. Vienna. New York. Washington. Mazar e-Sharif. Baghdad. Anyone who doesn't see that these are all battles in the same war we're been fighting for 1400 years is wilfully blind.
13 posted on 09/17/2003 11:00:59 AM PDT by j.havenfarm ("Stoke of the pen, law of the land. Cool." - Blumenthal, 1997; 9th Circuit, 2003.)
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To: Semper Paratus
Make that 5 years.
14 posted on 09/17/2003 11:02:25 AM PDT by MCRD
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To: Dajjal
Ping!
15 posted on 09/17/2003 11:02:38 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (“We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: dead
Many Moslems, like Christians, see the signs of the end times in recent events. These terrorists are the Islamic version of the "Left behind" people. The only difference is that in Islam--they can battle there Satan directly. Unfortunatly--Their Satan is the USA and the Vatican.
16 posted on 09/17/2003 11:04:48 AM PDT by Hollywoodghost (Let he who would be free strike the first blow)
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To: StriperSniper
To show them we mean business, we could offer to blow the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem to smithereens.

They'd never believe we were serious if we didn't first destroy the Dome of the Rock or Medina to prove we mean it.

Once we destroy the Dome of the Rock, can we then also give the real estate to Israel?

18 posted on 09/17/2003 11:05:35 AM PDT by Polycarp ("women will be saved through childbearing--if they continue in faith, love and holiness" 1Tim2:15)
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To: Polycarp
"Ad was an advanced civilization, according to Cook, who has studied the Muslim apocalyptic interpretations and quotes Abdallah as seeing Ad as a civilization that "could predict weather and possessed other advanced technology."

Bear in mind: To Muslims a tribe of Indians living in the rain forests of South America would be considered "an advanced civilization." They possess blow guns, and other "advanced technology."

19 posted on 09/17/2003 11:10:31 AM PDT by Destructor
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To: StriperSniper
Why don't they do this??
20 posted on 09/17/2003 11:13:55 AM PDT by DooDahhhh
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To: StriperSniper
Why don't they do this??
21 posted on 09/17/2003 11:13:55 AM PDT by DooDahhhh
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To: Polycarp
They're reading the WRONG book - for ACCURATE, and completely TRUTHFUL information about the END TIMES please refer to the Bible (ie: Daniel, Revelation, etc) "and their names were NOT found written in the book of life and they were cast into the lake of fire" Seems to me the most important part of the end times is where you END UP! I know my name is in the book of life, what about you?
22 posted on 09/17/2003 11:14:28 AM PDT by princess leah
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To: j.havenfarm
I'd love to be able to but a "Battle of Tours" or "Rumble at Lepanto" T-shirt.
23 posted on 09/17/2003 11:22:47 AM PDT by fishtank
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To: Polycarp
"Isa Da'ud?" Isn't that pronounced "I's a dude?"

He, of course, overlooks the fact the Saudi's holy places, the Muslim evil places, would be "cleansed" long before the end of the list of calamities.

24 posted on 09/17/2003 11:27:54 AM PDT by Tacis
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To: Polycarp
Well, that certainly was an iteresting read.

"the sea will swallow up New York."

People have been predicting the same fate for California since at least the late 60's.

After the disabling of the U.S., much of Europe will convert to Islam, in the view of modern Muslim prophetic writers, but there will be one stumbling block.

I can sooooo see them bending over like that. Except for the remnant that will hold out.

25 posted on 09/17/2003 11:33:21 AM PDT by Jaded (But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you. Mat. 5:44)
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To: Polycarp
Oh boy! My kinda thread.

There are prophecies by catholic saints who said that the Muslims would invade into Europe and try to destroy the Vatican. They said that nearly all of the Vatican would be destroyed.

Many of them also speak of Masonry/Secret Sects who are undermining/infiltrating the Church.

And worldwide warfare before peace.

26 posted on 09/17/2003 11:37:40 AM PDT by Cap'n Crunch
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To: Polycarp
Didn't they miss something? With all that BS shouldn't they quote the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", as well?
27 posted on 09/17/2003 11:37:56 AM PDT by pankot
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To: Polycarp
Looks like these writers have been reading the 'Left Behind' series of books, and simply replaced Christianity with Islam.

Show some original thought, boys!

28 posted on 09/17/2003 11:41:35 AM PDT by rintense (9-11-01: Never Forget.)
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To: princess leah
I know my name is in the book of life, what about you?

I personally don't believe in "once saved always saved" since it goes against so very many scriptures:

Matt.7 [21] "Not every one who says to me, `Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. [22] On that day many will say to me, `Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?'

Matt.25 [11] Afterward the other maidens came also, saying, `Lord, lord, open to us.'

Luke.6 [46] "Why do you call me `Lord, Lord,' and not do what I tell you?

1 Corinthians 9:27 but I pommel my body and subdue it, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified.

1 Corinthians 10:12 Therefore let any one who thinks that he stands take heed lest he fall.

Galatians 5:1,4 . . . stand fast therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery . . . You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.

Philippians 3:11-14 that if possible I may attain the resurrection from the dead. ,b>Not that I have already obtained this or am already perfect; but I press on to make it my own, because Christ Jesus has made me his own. Brethren, I do not consider that I have made it my own . . . I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.

1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by giving heed to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons.

1 Timothy 5:15 For some have already strayed after Satan.

Hebrews 3:12-14 Take care, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God. But exhort one another every day . . . that none of you may be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. For we share in Christ, if only we hold our first confidence firm to the end.

Hebrews 6:4-6 For it is impossible to restore again to repentance those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God, and the powers of the age to come, if they then commit apostasy . . .

2 Peter 2:15,20-21 Forsaking the right way they have gone astray; they have followed the way of Balaam, . . . For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overpowered, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them.

29 posted on 09/17/2003 11:58:19 AM PDT by Polycarp ("women will be saved through childbearing--if they continue in faith, love and holiness" 1Tim2:15)
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To: Polycarp
"Florida also suffers nuclear explosions of unknown origin and this triggers even more explosions as the American nuclear arsenal in the area detonates."

Seems like the terrorists know more than we do. I did not know there were nuclear warheads in Florida.

30 posted on 09/17/2003 12:05:04 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Clone Ann Coulter, the woman sent by God)
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To: Polycarp
Baal Clinton.

I like it.

31 posted on 09/17/2003 12:08:21 PM PDT by freedomson (Baruch haba b'shem Adonai!)
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To: Monty22
Heck, if it would appease them by handing over clinton, that's one thing I'd certainly consider!

No. He knows too much.

32 posted on 09/17/2003 12:09:01 PM PDT by Barnacle (The Barnacle has spoken.)
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To: Arrowhead1952
I did not know there were nuclear warheads in Florida

They carry them on all shuttle missions for protection against LGRs (little green men).

33 posted on 09/17/2003 12:09:30 PM PDT by Polycarp ("women will be saved through childbearing--if they continue in faith, love and holiness" 1Tim2:15)
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To: Kenton
The Quran is altrady that, judging from their actions.
34 posted on 09/17/2003 12:11:12 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: NYer
My fellow Americans and fellow citizens of the civilized world: I have today ordered the targeting of our intercontinental nuclear ballistic missiles on the city of Mecca in Saudi Arabia.

I don't think many people would argue with that...

35 posted on 09/17/2003 12:12:12 PM PDT by mhking (MAN IN SUIT! MAN IN SUIT! MAN IN SUIT! MAN IN SUIT! MAN IN SUIT! MAN IN SUIT! MAN IN SUIT!.....)
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To: Polycarp; Domestic Church
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36 posted on 09/17/2003 12:20:44 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: StriperSniper
"Nuke Mecca" is worthy of a bump.
37 posted on 09/17/2003 12:21:01 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian
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To: Polycarp
Mess with the Vatican and you'll learn a lot about hell first hand, Ahmed.
38 posted on 09/17/2003 12:22:50 PM PDT by Petronski (Calm down. Eat some fruit or something.)
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To: Cap'n Crunch
Bumping your post.
39 posted on 09/17/2003 12:24:20 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Bikers4Bush
"This has been a religious war from the outset. Anyone who still doesn't see that is blind."

Yes and no. The west is fighting a War on Terror, the Islamic terrorists have made it into a religious war. However, the more we learn about Islam and the Koran, the more we realize that Islam is the religion of evil and Satan.

I have been pursuaded of late that nuking Mecca may be a necessary act to stir the so-called "moderate" Muslims into curbing the extremists and disenfranchise them from Islam if we are to believe that Islam is a religion of peace. So far, I haven't seen any signs of this and the mute testimony by the moderates against the terrorists equates to tacit approval and support.
40 posted on 09/17/2003 12:33:46 PM PDT by DustyMoment
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To: fishtank
How 'bout "Charles Martel hammered the barabrian horde at Tours, and all I got was this dumb t-shirt." Or "I'm with Sobeski" with an arrow pointing to the side.
41 posted on 09/17/2003 12:41:47 PM PDT by j.havenfarm ("Stoke of the pen, law of the land. Cool." - Blumenthal, 1997; 9th Circuit, 2003.)
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To: StriperSniper
If there is another terrorist attack on America that kills thousands of Americans, that button will be pushed.

I would change thousands to hundreds or tens, but other than that I'm in favor of the Nuke Mecca approach.

By the way, this reply is worthy of it's own thread in my opinion.

42 posted on 09/17/2003 12:42:24 PM PDT by MrConfettiMan ("Yes! I am a citizen! Now which way to the welfare office?" - Apu, The Simpsons)
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To: Cap'n Crunch; Polycarp; Salvation; Barnacle
There are prophecies by catholic saints who said that the Muslims would invade into Europe and try to destroy the Vatican.


It is the first and the only Mosque in Rome, located at the foot of the hill. It was erected in 1984-93, and designed by Paolo Portoghesi, Vittorio Gigliotti and Sami Monsawi. The mosque, that can hold up to 3000 people and is the largest in Europe, was financed by some 24 Arab countries. There is also a cultural center and library here.

The mosque requested and received permission from the Italian Gov't to erect a crescent moon that rises higher than the cross on the Vatican.

According to Zenit News Agency, In June 2003, the Islamic Cultural Center of Rome ousted the imam from the city's Great Mosque after he urged the faithful in a sermon to "destroy the enemies of Islam."

43 posted on 09/17/2003 12:46:43 PM PDT by NYer (Catholic and living it.)
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To: DooDahhhh
Why don't they do this??

Because Bush believes that Islam is a "Religion of Piece" !!! . Isn't that a total absurdity ??? . Actually, Islam is a religeoi of P-I-E-C-E-S . . . e.g., chopped off hands, feet, fingers, toes, ears, noses, heads, etc., etc., etc. !!!

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44 posted on 09/17/2003 12:56:14 PM PDT by GeekDejure
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To: NYer
Wow! A seaside view! Imagine launching one of these babies out my living room window : )


45 posted on 09/17/2003 1:00:03 PM PDT by eastsider
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To: Salvation
Maria Esperanza (Venezuelan visionary) has forseen something involving Cuba ( in alliance with these terrorists) with missles aimed at NY and Washington.
46 posted on 09/17/2003 1:00:08 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: Polycarp
In the perspective of these Muslim writers, "Florida also suffers nuclear explosions of unknown origin and this triggers even more explosions as the American nuclear arsenal in the area detonates."

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

These sandmaggots are great at ranting and raving, but are clueless about simple things like grammar-school physics.

Great glorious civilization my assets!

47 posted on 09/17/2003 1:02:59 PM PDT by Publius6961 (californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
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To: Polycarp
So if we drop the Clintons into Mecca will that kill two birds with one stone?
48 posted on 09/17/2003 1:06:55 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: Polycarp
I just hope the sandmaggots are not totally insane.

They touch the vatican or let loose a WMD in the US and Mecca, Medina and every other muslim "holy" place will instantly become a permanent and radioactive "hole-y" place.

Guaranteed.

49 posted on 09/17/2003 1:07:28 PM PDT by Publius6961 (californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
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To: Polycarp
"Muslim apocalyptic writers indicate that the long-term targets of terrorism will continue to be Washington and New York -- along with the Vatican."

The Muslim version of the "X-Files".

How does one become a "apocalyptic writer"????



50 posted on 09/17/2003 1:10:06 PM PDT by FeliciaCat
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