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Who Was The Freeper That Analyzed Who Used Punch Card Ballots In Florida? Where's That Thread?

Posted on 09/15/2003 4:51:26 PM PDT by Doctor Raoul

Back during the 2000 election, the Democrats reached for their old standby, the "race card" (they don't go anywhere without it). The Democrats claimed that punch card machines were forced on poor, urban minority communities.

A FReeper went to the Florida Secretary of State's website and determined which localities used punch card machines. They then corrolated that against census data and found that the Democrats were just knee-jerk race baiting. Punch card machines were more likely to be used by rich, suburban conservatives.

That's a good analysis to circulate to national and local media, as well as talk radio.

Who's got a link to that?

There was also a study done on a national scale by professors from University of Maryland and the University of Missouri-Kansas City. Their results can up with the same thing on a national scale. It came out in Feb 2001 I seem to recall.

Looks like the California Court is like the New York Times. The NYT will report Huricane Isabell as "Terrible Storm, Women and Minorities Hurt Worst".

Your assistance please in finding the FR thread, and that national study.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida; Your Opinion/Questions
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1 posted on 09/15/2003 4:51:27 PM PDT by Doctor Raoul
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To: Doctor Raoul
When that information is found, call your local paper, ask for the national desk. When connected, ask who's doing the California recall stories and ask to be transferred.

When you get then, explain that the idea that punch card machines disenfranchise voters is FALSE and that studies prove it.

Our Florida thread dispells the "racist" claim, the university study dispells the notion that they are worse than other machines. In fact, they are NOT bad. Other machines have other problems.

Thanks for your help. We need to expose the California courts reasons as just emotion and not fact.

2 posted on 09/15/2003 4:55:24 PM PDT by Doctor Raoul
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To: Doctor Raoul
I remember that! I havent the foggiest notion what the thread title was, but I did save the chart. Problem is, it's on a disc from my old computer. I'll go look for it.
3 posted on 09/15/2003 5:01:18 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: Doctor Raoul
I remember that! I havent the foggiest notion what the thread title was, but I did save the chart. Problem is, it's on a disc from my old computer. I'll go look for it.
4 posted on 09/15/2003 5:01:27 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: Doctor Raoul; GulliverSwift
Could this be it? More disqualified ballots in BUSH counties than Gore counties!!
5 posted on 09/15/2003 5:04:26 PM PDT by snopercod (All Hail the Saffron King!)
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To: Doctor Raoul
It was Robert Cook but I don't have a link to the info.
6 posted on 09/15/2003 5:07:02 PM PDT by NEPA
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To: Doctor Raoul
Dr. Raoul, for some reason I associate Robert E. Cook, P.E. with this matter, but several permutations of spelling his handle generates error messages... for whatever that is worth!
7 posted on 09/15/2003 5:08:02 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: Doctor Raoul
Here it is:

Link to FR survey

8 posted on 09/15/2003 5:14:16 PM PDT by KriegerGeist ("The weapons of our warefare are not carnal, but mighty though God for pulling down of strongholds")
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To: Doctor Raoul; Robert A. Cook, PE
Quick search:

WEB RESULTS  (Showing Results 1 - 10 of 890)

1. Evidence shows HOW the Palm Beach Democrats voided 15 000 Bush...
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2. Thread 2 - Evidence Shows How the Palm Beach Democrats Voided Bush...
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9 posted on 09/15/2003 5:22:45 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: Doctor Raoul
Check your freepmail. I'd post it here but I don't know how to do tables and stuff.
10 posted on 09/15/2003 5:24:08 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: Doctor Raoul
Here's an old thread will chad data...

Gore Won Florida!(Democrats still shouting this absurdity!)

11 posted on 09/15/2003 5:25:35 PM PDT by demlosers
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To: Doctor Raoul
Have you tried THIS thread yet?

;0)

12 posted on 09/15/2003 5:37:45 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (... you'd look like the Venus de Milo, if I just cut off your arms...)
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To: Doctor Raoul; jdege
This is not the thread I meant, but it was the closest I could find in the archives. It has a similar breakdown by county, race, income, and voting method.

Black Voters disenfranchised by punch-card voting machines?

13 posted on 09/15/2003 5:41:00 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: Doctor Raoul

We need to expose the California courts reasons as just emotion and not fact.

THEY HAVE BEEN EXPOSED WITH NO ACTION/SUPPORT FOR ALTERATION:


The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals Reorganization Act of 2003 (S. 562) March 6, 2003

Ms. MURKOWSKI (for herself, Mr. Stevens, Mr. Burns, Mr. Craig, Mr. Crapo, Mr. Inhofe, and Mr. Smith) introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary

The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals Reorganization Act of 2003 H. R. 1033February 27, 2003

Mr. SIMPSON (for himself, Mr. WALDEN of Oregon, Mr. NETHERCUTT, and Mr. OTTER) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary

The Claremont Institute: Balancing the Ninth There is a lack of balance on the Ninth Circuit, but it is not the one Senator Barbara Boxer would have us all believe. Of the 25 active judges currently serving on the court, 18 were appointed by Democrats (4 by President Carter and 14 by President Clinton). Only 7 were appointed by Republican Presidents (3 by President Reagan, 4 by the President George H. W. Bush). Even with the appointment of people like Cox and Kuhl, Democrat appointments will retain a 2 to 1 margin on the court, and given the high number of appointments made by President Clinton — 50% of the total seats authorized on the court — it will be a long time before that imbalance even begins to be corrected.

NINTH CIRCUIT COURT RULING 'TYPICALLY PREPOSTEROUS,' SAY GUN ...

BELLEVUE, WA - In a joint announcement, leaders of the Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) and the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms (CCRKBA) today called the U.S. Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals ruling that the Second Amendment does not protect an individual right "A typically preposterous opinion from a court that has the worst track record in the nation for overturned decisions."

"The ultra-liberal Ninth Circuit has a reputation for being the most overturned appeals court in the country," said SAF Founder Alan Gottlieb. "Not only does the ruling run counter to extensive research supporting the Fifth Circuit's decision last year that confirmed the individual right to keep and bear arms, it defies logic and a mountain of historic scholarship. Clearly, the Second Amendment protects an individual right. The overwhelming majority of American citizens believe that interpretation, and perhaps the time has come for the Supreme Court to finally take up this issue."

"This is a good example of the type of ruling that comes out of the Ninth Circuit," CCRKBA Executive Director Joe Waldron concurred. "Recall that this is the same court that ruled the Pledge of Allegiance unconstitutional earlier this year. This ruling even relies on material from Michael Bellesiles, the anti-gun historian whose research has been so discredited that he was forced to resign from Emory University."

Sensenbrenner Statement on Pledge of Allegiance Resolution

WASHINGTON, D.C. - House Judiciary Committee Chairman F. James Sensenbrenner, Jr. (R-Wis.) delivered the following remarks during House debate on H. Res. 132:

"Today we will consider H. Res. 132, which expresses the sense of the House of Representatives that the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals’ recent ruling in Newdow v. United States Congress is inconsistent with the Supreme Court's interpretation of the First Amendment and urges the Attorney General to appeal this ruling.

"We’re here today because the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals continues to get it wrong.

 

14 posted on 09/15/2003 6:15:40 PM PDT by Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
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To: Doctor Raoul
Could it be Robert A. Cook, PE?
http://bulldogbulletinarchives.lhhosting.com/page8a.htm
15 posted on 09/15/2003 6:20:11 PM PDT by RJayneJ (To see pictures of Jayne's quilt: http://bulldogbulletin.lhhosting.com/page50.htm)
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To: backhoe
Robert Cook, PE is the guy, but I seem to recall that he has changed his freeper name since then. I don't remember what he changed it to.
16 posted on 09/15/2003 6:32:25 PM PDT by RedWhiteBlue
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To: Doctor Raoul
HERE is your guy. Guess he didn't change his freeper name after all.
17 posted on 09/15/2003 6:35:52 PM PDT by RedWhiteBlue
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To: Doctor Raoul

Evidence shows HOW the Palm Beach Democrats
voided 15,000 Bush ballots, 3,400 Buchanan Ballots.

http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a3a0c85230a29.htm
Keywords: PALM BEACH VOTE FRAUD CORRUPTION
Source: Robert Cook
Published: 10 November 2000
Author: Robert A. Cook, PE
Posted by Robert A. Cook, PE

Ref: 15,000 Bush votes were stolen in Palm Beach, FL. 15,000 Dole and Perot votes were stolen in 1996 *, no wonder they knew how to do it!

(*9 Nov, 2000 CNN; Jim Smith, Former Florida Secretary of State; WSJ, 11-10-2000)

The news media is focused on the Democratic Party spin that voters were "confused" in Palm Beach, FL. They are ignoring the 15,000 BUSH and 3,400 Buchanan votes were stolen by fraud in these 19,000 ballots.

There is explicit statistical evidence of massive ballot tampering in Palm Beach FL. These ballots show Democratic voter fraud....NOT Republican fraud or "voter error." Consider these "unusual" ballot problems in Palm Beach, FL - every one of them adds more Gore votes, and removed Republican and Reform party votes.

The voter fraud in the most heavily Democratic precincts Palm Beach County is so bad that Democratic officials are claiming that over 26 people per minute "were confused" and voted twice for President! This means that more voters were being handed new ballots per minute than new voters were being signed in. (19,200 "double punched" Democratic ballots divided by 12 hours, there are approximately 100 precincts in Palm Beach County. The errors are concentrated in only a few of these of these precincts, ALL predominately democratic and ALL with Democratic voter officials.)

ONLY in Palm Beach FL were 15,000 ballots "double punched" in the 1996 election. (This is unique among the entire nation! It is an error rate TEN TIMES larger than reported in ANY other district in the nation using that kind of ballot!)

ONLY in Palm Beach (and almost ONLY heavily Democratic precincts) were 19,200 ballots rejected in 2000 for double punching....(This is a 4.4% error rate overall; in the rest of Florida there is less than ½ of ONE percent "double punch" error rate! (Unofficially, this error rate was 15% in predominately Afro-American precincts, and 10% in precincts with large numbers of Jewish retirees.) In strongly Republican precincts, the error rate was the "usual" ½ of one percent.)

ONLY in Palm Beach did this "double punch" error happen ONLY in the Gore-Bush-Buchanan selection. (In a truly random "error," the mistakes happen in every race, all at about the same rate. In Palm Beach, the massive errors (over 19,000) ONLY happened in the Presidential race.)

ONLY in Palm Beach has the news media complained about "massive" ballot confusion. In the 43 counties in Missouri, also mostly Democratic voters, which use the same kind of ballot, there are NO complaints about "confused voters" at all. (St Louis Post Dispatch, Nov 8, 2000) Therefore, ONLY in Palm Beach FL do the Democrats have to "explain" a massive number of incorrect votes.

ONLY in Palm Beach did Gore GAIN 750 votes in a recount. In 64 out of 67 counties in FL, the average gain was 5-7 votes, and the "changes" were equally split between ALL the candidates, in proportion to the original number of votes. This means that Palm Beach FL had an error rate in favor of Gore more than 120 TIMES greater than any other county, (Two other heavily Democratic "inner city" counties (Flagler and Pinellas) had changes greater than 400 votes.) In a statistically valid recount, half of the errors would favor Bush, and half favor Gore. This extreme change from the normal in only three counties shows massive "favoritism" towards Gore in those three counties.)

In Palm Beach Gore got more votes than there are registered Democrats. (Palm Beach County Supervisor of Elections: registered Democrats = 296,122 while Gore voters = 296.696.)

ONLY in Palm Beach did Bush receive LESS than 65% of the registered Republican voters. (Registered Republicans = 231,626 while Bush voters = 152,954.) In every other county in FL Bush received MORE votes than there were registered Republicans. In the rest of the nation, poll results show more than 90% of registered Republicans actively supported the Republican candidate.

(Also, unique in the entire state, the percentage of Republican voters COUNTED as voting in Palm Beach was much less than normal, despite the pre-election attention to Florida as a critical state; and massive Republican get-out-the-vote campaigns.)

ONLY in Palm Beach did Buchanan get less than HALF the of votes he received before in 1996. His losses in that county in 2000 were much greater than in any other district in Florida. (Buchanan received over 8,000 votes in 1996 Republican PRIMARY (where only registered Republicans can vote; but he received only 3,407 under the Reform Party from ALL voters in the 2000 Presidential election.

(Pat Buchanan has relatives who lives in Palm Beach County, and this local support greatly increase the number of local voters who choose Buchanan, compared to every other region of the country. There are over 14,551 members of the Reform party in Palm Beach County - which indicates that less than 1/5 of the Reform voters voted for their own candidate. The Fraud is NOT whether Gore voters were "confused" and voted for Gore, but rather WHY Reform Party and Libertarian voters were prevented from registering THEIR vote!)

ONLY in Palm Beach County did the Reform Party candidate for Senator get MORE votes than the the reform Party candidate for President (Buchanan)...in every other coutry, the candidate for Senator for EVERY party got FEWER votes than the candidate for President from that party did.

There is a simple, single explanation for ALL of these 19,000 problems in ONE set of ballots in ONE district in ONE state.

15,000 Bush ballots, and 3,400 more Buchanan ballots, were double-punched to imitate a Gore vote, AFTER legitimate left their polling booth.

Assume 35,000 ballots were stuck with a stiff wire. It would take somebody a little bit of privacy and about 15 minutes. A ream of paper is 1 inch thick, 35,000 many ballots can be carried by one person in one small box, damaged, and returned to position very quickly.

Originally,

3,000 = Buchanan

15,000 = Bush

15,000 = Gore

1,250 = other parties

750 = "blank" - No vote for President; other spots may be filled in.

After ....

3,000 Buchanan + Gore = thrown out.

15,000 Bush + Gore = thrown out.

Gore (+ Gore) = GOOD VOTES for Gore = counted already

1,250 + others + Gore = thrown out.

750 = "blank" + Gore = Gore gets recount!

Stamping 35,000 ballots with a wire THROUGH the Gore slot gives:

Every Gore vote = still a valid Gore vote. (No change in the total, no change in the recount.)

Every Bush, Buchanan, Workers Party, and Libertarian Party ballot IS IMMEDIATELY INVALID. They will be thrown out because they have two votes. They NEVER were counted in the first place = no change in the recount.

EVERY ballot that HAD NO VOTE becomes a Gore vote.

The recount immediately ADDS these (751) ballots to the Gore column BECAUSE the original count had NO vote for president!

(Isn't it LIKELY that at least 750 people were disgusted with BOTH major presidential candidates and made NO vote for president?)

The key: KEEPING THE BALLOTS as evidence. IMMEDIATELY!

2. RECOUNTING them by hand...since the voting machine will reject them....if the percentages match these numbers THERE WAS FRAUD.

3. Finding out WHEN these ballots were thrown out - OR NEVER COUNTED AT ALL! will tell you when the fraud was done.

.... If the ballots include an equal number of Bush + Gore" and "Gore + Gore" ballots....then that shows that this set of ballots were tampered with and never counted in the first place ... because they KNEW that they "all" be excluded. IF the ballots include "no" (or very few) Bush + Buchanan, or "Buchanan + somebody + Gore votes" else....then it shows that they were deliberately tampered with to exclude (throw out) otherwise valid Bush votes.

Obviously....EVERY tampered ballot WILL include a GORE vote! That would "justify" the Democratic "claims" for Fraud BY the Republicans.

To verify this....count the doubled ballots, list each with what OTHER votes were cast. No "legitimate" Gore voter would choose other Republican choices, or at least very, very few would. IF almost all of the Bush + Gore ballots had mostly Republican choices, or blanks where there is a Democrat running unopposed, then that shows a Bush vote that was destroyed.

ONLY where the Gore + Buchanan ballots shows almost all Democrats, those "one or two" ballots will show the few cases where some Gore supporter actually got confused!

BUT the Democrats are claiming that these are "double -punched! They know...and were told early this morning! to collect 3000 old folks who could claim they were confused...They quickly needed a cover story to explain that the ballots were "confusing" to create the 3000 Gore - Buchanan "voters" that they need.

But today...even the local democratic officials couldn't "find" that many confused individuals so quickly. Now, they claiming "hundreds" - and can't even verify that many. No lists, no names, no verification. Just their verbal claims on TV.

THEY HAVEN'T EXPLAINED why 15,000 ballots were double-punched in 1996 AND in 2000. Other than that the election officials did it TWICE.

Much simpler to stack the ballots up so they all can be read by the machine.....that way the "holes" line up!

Don't bother reading them or even looking at them, it's faster that way. just grab an unsorted stack of ballots from the box. Get about 100 -150 ballots - drill a hole through the Gore punch, or use a stiff wire - it will take you about 5 seconds per stack.

(If you use a drill - the "holes" will look funny - BUT these ballots are NOT meant to be counted again. They were meant to be thrown out as duplicates! If you use a stiff wire...there is nothing to see.

IF THE HOLE WAS PUNCHED BY WIRE - THE hole will be ragged and torn, the paper will "ahnging" because the ballot below will prevent the hole from being torn cleanly!

Put the stack back in the box...grab another bunch.

The "good" Gore ballots will still have the original "hole" punched out ... and so will get "re-counted" along with all the rest.

To test this theory....Manually count the double-punched ballots - looking for fraud under rules of evidence - this has become a criminal CASE - the examiners do not have to look for "missed" Gore votes.....The Gore votes ARE the evidence of fraud.

A Republican voter will have in almost every case have punched Bush + several other Republican candidates.

So look for how many "Bush + Gore" ballots have mostly Republican choices below. THESE ARE FRAUDS. They represent Bush votes that were stolen.

A "true" Buchanan voter would have punched Buchanan and a mix of other candidates....A Libertarian voter would have almost "had" to select other Republican candidates....since there are few Libertarian candidates for every position.

Either of these are frauds too!

A "mistaken" "Gore into Buchanan" voter would ALMOST CERTAINLY chosen the Democrats in the rest of the ballot.....or, IF AS THEY CLAIM, those "Gore into Buchanan" voters that were "told to push the second hole" really meant "only followed directions" ---- THEN the rest of the ballot would be solid Democrat, or blank.

After all...nobody "told" them to vote for anybody else!

The few "Gore + Buchanan" ballots that are totally blank below - or have many other mistakes on them .. are the only ones that "might be" mistakes.....two or three people are sure to made errors.

NOT 15,000 voters in 1996....and 15,000 voters in 2000.

When NO OTHER county in the nation has that many errors.

The Democrat demand to "hand count" ballots on Saturday (11 Nov) will destroy the fingerprint evidence of who committed this fraud.

Also, the democrat demand to hand count these ballots and "look at" the punches "to determine the intent of the voter" will specifically be looking at the WRONG evidence: they are going to use the potential evidence of fraud (hanging paper threads on a Gore+ Buchanan or Gore + Bush ballot) as evidence of a GORE vote.

IF the hole is legitimately punched - the the hole was made in the machine, at the ballot box, the hole is "clean" - the piece of paper goes through and goes away because the "back" of the ballot machine is "open" to specifically allow that!

IF the ballot is "double punched" by a wire through MANY ballots AT THE SAME TIME ... which creates many THOUSAND "double punched" ballots - ALL with GORE votes + somebody else's "valid" votes that are REJECTED - then the "hole" CAN'T be cleanly punched and is "messy" WITH DANGLING PAPER and "almost" attached punches....

THE EVIDENCE THE HAND COUNT IS LOOKING FOR IS EVIDENCE OF 15,000 BUSH BALLOTS THAT WERE VOIDED BY THE DEMOCRATS!

Posted by Robert A. Cook, PE

If this is what you are looking for the thread url is under the headline.


18 posted on 09/15/2003 7:33:22 PM PDT by RJayneJ (To see pictures of Jayne's quilt: http://bulldogbulletin.lhhosting.com/page50.htm)
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To: Doctor Raoul
Check out post #35 on this thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a31b9d72f36.htm

I'm pretty sure that I remember doing another table in which I added in some census data about median income for each county, but I can't find that thread.
19 posted on 09/15/2003 8:25:16 PM PDT by Chesterbelloc
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To: Doctor Raoul; Robert A. Cook, PE
That's the guy. He convinced me.
20 posted on 09/15/2003 8:29:37 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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