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Judge Moore for President? Religious Conservatives & the Danger of Disrespecting a Popular Icon
22 Aug 03 | xzins

Posted on 08/22/2003 7:08:16 AM PDT by xzins

It is reported that Napoleon Bonaparte once said, “It is religion that keeps the poor from murdering the rich.” Rich is, of course, a relative term. One can be “rich” in money, and in the world of religion one can be “rich” in spirit, and in the political realm one can be “rich” in power.

Who is in danger of being murdered?

James Dobson, the leader of “Focus on the Family” has recently voiced his displeasure with the Republican Party over their failure to deliver benefits to the Christian conservatives for their support over these many years. Despite a Senate majority, despite a ‘conservative’ President, despite an iron-grip conservative hold on the House of Representatives, there is precious little (nothing?) from the conservative Christian agenda that has been successfully guided to implementation. In fact, there appears to be backward momentum.

Abortion is as big as ever. School vouchers are little experiments here and there but not under federal authority. Sexuality is now considered under the heading of a newfound freedom of ‘privacy’ that allows any sexual practice to escape even the most reasonable bio-medical review by a state legislature. Marriage is in jeopardy from Massachusetts to California as liberals successfully redefine that institution, considering any form of partnering leading to sexual release on the same par with a man and woman creating and rearing a family.

And now activist judges, seemingly in league with the ACLU, are excising our country’s religious symbols at what can only be described as a hostile pace. They are being permitted to dismantle America’s historic culture of Judeo-Christian morality and replace it with a culture that these judicial architects claim will be neutral, but which is in fact anti-theistic.

Permitted? Who is permitting it?

The religious conservatives would say, “Those we placed our hope in have permitted it. None of the big names stood with us on the firing line. None of them picked sides, went public with their verbal support, and then went public with their actions which demonstrated support.” Not even Attorney General John Ashcroft, the supposed insider religious conservative, spoke up. (John hasn’t spoken up in some time now. Is he gagged?)

We are reminded of the words of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.: "In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends."

The Republican Party, very rich in power, is in danger from the common people who make up its religious base.

And right now Judge Roy Moore has immense “good will” with that same religious conservative base of the Republican Party. Where did this good will come from? In the eyes of those conservative Christians, Moore was willing to sacrifice himself for one of their concerns. Make no mistake, they trust this man. His stock is very high in that group at this moment.

We’re told that if Al Gore had received even one percent less of the African American vote, that the 2000 election wouldn’t have even been close. How much more if George W. Bush had received one percent less of the Christian conservative vote? We’re told that Bill Clinton won two elections without ever having a majority of the vote because Ross Perot took up to nineteen percent of the Republican vote away from them. The message is clear. A third candidate popular with religious conservatives will kill the Bush Re-election.

"Flatter me, and I may not believe you. Criticize me, and I may not like you. Ignore me, and I may not forgive you...." (William Arthur Ward.)

To refuse a hearing at the highest level is an insult to a man who in his own sphere has reached the top rung. Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court, Judge Roy Moore, has definitely worked his way to a high enough position to have earned the right to be heard. And, in giving a hearing to Moore, they give a hearing to his supporters. Whether the powers in the Republican Party understand the necessity of giving him his hearing is entirely a different subject.

But, if I were an operative for the Constitution Party, and if I were a disgruntled conservative Christian, I would definitely see a man with tremendous name recognition, a solid base of support, and a whole boatload of determination.

Someone needs to talk real-politik to the Republican members of the Supreme Court.


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KEYWORDS: 2004; constitutionparty; gop; politics; religion; roymoore; separation; tencommandments
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This is a vanity.

At the same time it is a real concern of mine.

1 posted on 08/22/2003 7:08:17 AM PDT by xzins
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To: xzins
Howard Phillips of the Constitution Party spoke at Chief Judge Moore's rally last Saturday.

http://www.conservativeusa.org/
2 posted on 08/22/2003 7:11:36 AM PDT by Catspaw
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To: xzins
John hasn’t spoken up in some time now. Is he gagged?

Nah, he's been too busy speaking and begging for more powers to know all about us.

3 posted on 08/22/2003 7:23:18 AM PDT by Sir Gawain (According to Ashcroft, Al Capone was an alco-terrorist)
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To: xzins
James Dobson, the leader of “Focus on the Family” has recently voiced his displeasure with the Republican Party over their failure to deliver benefits to the Christian conservatives for their support over these many years. Despite a Senate majority, despite a ‘conservative’ President, despite an iron-grip conservative hold on the House of Representatives, there is precious little (nothing?) from the conservative Christian agenda that has been successfully guided to implementation

How would James Dobson pass any of this legislation if he were president when the votes are not there in the Senate?

4 posted on 08/22/2003 7:24:26 AM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: xzins
How much more if George W. Bush had received one percent less of the Christian conservative vote?

Considering some of the court decisions of late, coupled with the administration's actions (especially on the 'Patriot' Act), I have a distinct feeling you're going to find out. Many conservatives may be sitting at home in 2004. I vote on belief in the candidate, not a letter in the alphabet

5 posted on 08/22/2003 7:26:45 AM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: xzins
Since 1789, no justice of the Alabama Supreme Court has felt the need to have such a stone, despite our having been a more monolithic and religious country in the past.

Judge Roy Moore ran this whole "Ten Commandments" scam for the express purpose of gaining publicity so that he can run for Governor or Senator.
It is the cheapest demagogery that he learned from George Wallace's standing in the schoolhouse door.
He knew he was going to lose, but did it anyway just to stir people up and gain publicity.

He snuck the stone into the building in the dead of night, because he knew he was in the wrong.
When his apeal to the District Court was denied he did not ask for a stay of the order as any other lawyer would have while apealing to the Supreme Court, because it was his intention to be in contempt and be "martyred".

He is one of the worst scoundrels and flim flam men produced by the South in a generation, fully as cynical and ruthless as Bill Clinton, and no more to be trusted.
Don't bother wondering about his sincerity, he is a lawyer and a politician, he doesn't know the meaning of either.

So9

6 posted on 08/22/2003 7:33:32 AM PDT by Servant of the Nine (A Goldwater Republican)
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To: Catspaw
I'm glad you added that. I honestly had no idea that that had taken place.

It adds to my concern.

I think Moore could pull the vote of nearly all evangelical, religious conservatives in America.

He could certainly pull the 3 or 4 percent it takes to allow a democratic candidate to win.

7 posted on 08/22/2003 7:36:04 AM PDT by xzins (In the Beginning was the Word)
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To: Servant of the Nine
The "dead of the night" angle has been debunked. It came in starting at 6 PM due to safety concerns. Since it weighed 5.5 tons and needed special equipment to put it in place, that is a perfectly reasonable explanation to me.

I think that governor or senator of Alabama is too low a target. Chief Justice is as significant as either of those.

He has a national following. I think he would be a solid vote-getter for one of the smaller conservative parties.

8 posted on 08/22/2003 7:39:25 AM PDT by xzins (In the Beginning was the Word)
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To: Sir Gawain
He seems to have taken a real back seat.

It seems like we used to hear from Janet Reno ALL the time.
9 posted on 08/22/2003 7:41:50 AM PDT by xzins (In the Beginning was the Word)
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Judge Moore for President? Religious Conservatives & the Danger of Disrespecting a Popular Icon

Better written as, "Judge Moore for President? Religious Conservatives & the Danger of Being One Issue Losers"
10 posted on 08/22/2003 7:42:03 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
Do you remember discussion of the "nuclear option" in the Senate....on the issue of President Bush's judicial nominees?
11 posted on 08/22/2003 7:43:36 AM PDT by xzins (In the Beginning was the Word)
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To: xzins
If Bush ignores the people who sent him to office much more, in this case by sending federal goons to enforce the arbitrary rulings of a federal judge, then he will become a single term president like his father and we will once again be saddled with a Rat in the White House.
12 posted on 08/22/2003 7:45:53 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: Servant of the Nine
You are brave posting this on here! You have restored my faith in the ability of some Freepers to think! Kudo's to you as you get flamed by the reaction folks.

Some Freepers don't bother to think and reason anymore but jump right in with backing someone and then call others names if they do think. This whole deal smelled including the emergency stay to the SCOTUS. I wondered about this guy being put on a pedestal without the facts! Looks like when the facts all come out, some people are being scammed again but then they won't believe it anyways! Sometimes it would pay people to take a step back and ask what could the person doing this have for an agenda?

Hope your flame suit is up to code! I know mine is!
13 posted on 08/22/2003 7:46:17 AM PDT by PhiKapMom (Alpha Omnicon Pi Mom too!)
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To: xzins
John Ashcroft is not really a Christian. He's pro-abortion.

How do I know this? Simple: He says that Roe v. Wade is "law" and that he will "enforce the law." That is, if anyone interferes with the killing of a baby in America, John Ashcroft will swoop down and take all actions necessary to ensure that the baby gets killed.

The proposition that Roe is "law" IS the pro-abortion position. The proposition that when people interfere with the killing of babies they should be arrested, bankrupted, and imprisoned, IS the pro-abortion position.

John Ashcroft is pro-abortion. He takes the pro-abortion position, and he ACTS consistently with the pro-abortion position. He PROMISED the Senate that he would ACT pro-abortion once he became Attorney General. He BOASTED on Larry King that he voted, as a Senator, to bankrupt people who interfere with the killing of babies.

Ashcroft is a former Christian and a current pro-abort.

Someone is certain to respond to this post saying: "Don't you understand that he has to ENFORCE THE LAW?" My answer: The proposition that abortion is "legal" is a fiction. Murder cannot ever be legalized, anytime, anywhere. The proposition that abortion is "legal" is PRECISELY what the pro-life movement denies. Anyone who takes the position that Roe v. Wade must be "obeyed" or "enforced" is pro-abortion. Second, the proposition that ALL laws must be obeyed, without consideration of whether they are just, is the Totalitarian position, not the "consrvative" or American position, regarding what law IS.

14 posted on 08/22/2003 7:46:18 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: aruanan
Actually, there are about 4 or 5 issues.

It's similar to the vote in California. Why vote for Arnold just because he has an "R" next to his name? I wouldn't.

He's pro-gay marriage, pro-gay adoption, anti-gun, pro-taxes, pro-abortion.

Why vote for someone who isn't going to take the country in a direction you believe in?

Just so you can say your candidate won?

I knew that Bill Clinton was going to beat ole "where is my campaign" Bob Dole.

Does that mean I should have voted for Bill Clinton?
15 posted on 08/22/2003 7:48:15 AM PDT by xzins (In the Beginning was the Word)
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To: xzins
I had read about Phillips speaking at the rally from this article in the Montgomery Advertiser. I don't think his presence got much, if any, mention in other articles. It would seem that being a speaker at the rally, rather just an attendee, gives a bit more credence to your theory. I had just engaged in some speculation on another thread that Chief Judge Moore seemed to be playing to a national, rather than state, audience, and that he seemed to be headed for something in the national private or public arena. Running for office--perhaps as president--on the Constitution Party might be where he's headed.

http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/specialreports/TENcommandments/StoryLocalrally17w.htm
16 posted on 08/22/2003 7:48:49 AM PDT by Catspaw
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To: PhiKapMom
Come on PKmom.

Moore isn't running a scam. Check his history.

You are dealing, pure and simple, with a "true believer."

They're hard to understand when they come along, but they are focused in one direction and not to be dissuaded.
17 posted on 08/22/2003 7:50:38 AM PDT by xzins (In the Beginning was the Word)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
I believe that Judge Roy Moore poses the single greatest domestic political risk to President Bush's re-election that exists at this moment. None of the 9 stooges come close to the damage that Moore could do.
18 posted on 08/22/2003 7:53:17 AM PDT by xzins (In the Beginning was the Word)
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You are brave posting this on here! You have restored my faith in the ability of some Freepers to think!

You're very quick to believe lies. Interesting.

Lie: He snuck the stone into the building in the dead of night, because he knew he was in the wrong.

19 posted on 08/22/2003 7:53:58 AM PDT by Sir Gawain (According to Ashcroft, Al Capone was an alco-terrorist)
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To: Servant of the Nine
" He snuck the stone into the building in the dead of night,"

This has already been disproved multiple times. Stop spreading lies.
20 posted on 08/22/2003 7:54:03 AM PDT by =Intervention= (Moderatism is the most lackluster battle-cry.)
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