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ADIEU, ABBAS
NY Post ^ | 8/21/03 | Eric Fettmann

Posted on 08/21/2003 5:29:28 AM PDT by truthandlife

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:16:09 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Will Tuesday's horrific massacre in Jerusalem be the defining moment for Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas - the point at which he and top aides finally realize they can no longer get away with refusing to confront terrorism? Or will it be more of the same cat-and-mouse games that Abbas has been playing in order to avoid his crystal-clear obligations under President Bush's road map?


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TOPICS: Editorial; Israel
KEYWORDS: abbas; busbombing; jerusalem; mahmoudabbas; palestinians; terrorism
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1 posted on 08/21/2003 5:29:28 AM PDT by truthandlife
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To: truthandlife
For months I have maintained that Bush (due to his understanding of the Bible) knows there can never be a true "peace" between the Israelis and the Pales. The "road map" was never going to be followed: the Pales were incapable of following it. Bush knew that. He established a set of conditions that the Pales would never meet, then said, "When you meet these conditions, we'll lean on Israel to do x, y, and z."

For Christians, this is somewhat similar to the Law in the Old Testament, given not with the expectation that sinful man would be obedient, but with the knowledge that he would not, and that it would drive him to see his own fallen state.

One reason the Pales seem to get more fanatical with their bombings is that each new agreement only further exposes the Islam they practice as a truly violent religion, and they hate themselves as a result of that awareness.

2 posted on 08/21/2003 5:36:50 AM PDT by LS
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To: SJackson
FYI
3 posted on 08/21/2003 5:47:02 AM PDT by Molly Pitcher (Is Reality Optional?)
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To: LS

Amin Al Husseini, future President of the World Islamic Congress (1961) and founding father of the Arab League (1944) inspects his Muslim Nazi troops, the Hanzar Division. Amin Al Husseini making the traditional nazi salute.

4 posted on 08/21/2003 5:49:09 AM PDT by Rome2000 (Convicted felons for Kerry, McCarthy was right!)
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To: Rome2000
The "Mufti" who was appointed to run Jerusalem after WW I came to love Hitler and had a picture of him in his office in the 1930s.
5 posted on 08/21/2003 5:54:23 AM PDT by LS
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...
If you'd like to be on or off this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.
6 posted on 08/21/2003 5:59:40 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: Molly Pitcher
Thanks.
7 posted on 08/21/2003 5:59:54 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: SJackson
This will end when one side destroys the other.
8 posted on 08/21/2003 6:44:23 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: LS
The "road map" was never going to be followed: the Pales were incapable of following it. Bush knew that. He established a set of conditions that the Pales would never meet, then said, "When you meet these conditions, we'll lean on Israel to do x, y, and z."

I appreciate your perspective, but Bush has been leaning on Israel to go above and beyond for the sake of the Roadmap all along, such as about the security fence which is not mentioned in the Roadmap even though it was planned before the Roadmap was written, as well as on early withdrawls to strengthen abu Mazen. State even threatened to cut Israels foreign aid, while giving millions to the PA terrorists. Bush has been VERY wobbly on this issue!
9 posted on 08/21/2003 6:45:07 AM PDT by adam_az
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To: Rome2000
For a little more background on Yasser Arafat's uncle, the "Grand Mufti" Amin Al-Husseini from www.palestinefacts.org:

British Mandate Palestine

Who was the Grand Mufti, Haj Muhammed Amin al-Husseini?

Grand Mufti with Hitler

Grand Mufti with Hitler

Muhammed Amin al-Husseini [many spelling variations] was born in 1893 (or 1895), the son of the Mufti of Jerusalem and member of an esteemed, aristocratic family. The Husseinis were one of the richest and most powerful of all the rivalling clans in the Ottoman province known as the Judaean part of Palestine.

Amin al-Husseini studied religious law at al-Azhar University, Cairo, and attended the Istanbul School of Administration. In 1913 he went to Mecca on a pilgrimage, earning the honorary title of "Haj". He voluntarily joined the Ottoman Turkish army in World War I but returned to Jerusalem in 1917 and expediently switched sides to aid the victorious British. He acquired the reputation as a violent, fanatical anti-Zionist zealot and was jailed by the British for instigating a 1920 Arab attack against Jews who were praying at the Western Wall.

The first Palestine High Commissioner. Sir Herbert Samuel arrived in Palestine on July 1, 1920. He was a weak administrator who was too ready to compromise and appease the extremist, nationalistic Arab minority led by Haj Amin al-Husseini. When the existing Arab Mufti of Jerusalem (religious leader) died in 1921, Samuels was influenced by anti-Zionist British officials on his staff. He pardoned al-Husseini and, in January 1922, appointed him as the new Mufti, and even invented a new title of Grand Mufti. He was simultaneously made President of a newly created Supreme Muslim Council. Al-Husseini thereby became the religious and political leader of the Arabs.

The appointment of the young al-Husseini as Mufti was a seminal event. Prior to his rise to power, there were active Arab factions supporting cooperative development of Palestine involving Arabs and Jews. But al-Husseini would have none of that; he was devoted to driving Jews out of Palestine, without compromise, even if it set back the Arabs 1000 years.

William Ziff, in his book "The Rape of Palestine," summarizes:

Al-Husseini represented newly emerging proponents of militant, Palestinian Arab nationalism, a previously unknown concept. Once he was in power, he began a campaign of terror and intimidation against anyone opposed to his rule and policies. He killed Jews at every opportunity, but also eliminated Arabs who did not support his campaign of violence. Husseini was not willing to negotiate or make any kind of compromise for the sake of peace.

As a young man, al-Husseini worked with a native Jew, Abbady, who documented this comment:

In 1929, major Arab riots were instigated against the Jews of Palestine. They began when al-Husseini falsely accused Jews of defiling and endangering local mosques, including al-Aqsa. The call went out to the Arab masses: "Izbah Al-Yahud!" — "Slaughter the Jews!" After the killing of Jews in Hebron, the Mufti disseminated photographs of slaughtered Jews with the claim that the dead were Arabs killed by Jews.

In April, 1936 six prominent Arab leaders formed the Arab Higher Committee, with the Grand Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini as head of the organization, joining forces to protest British support of Zionist progress in Palestine. In the same month, riots broke out in Jaffa commencing a three-year period of violence and civil strife in Palestine that is known as the Arab Revolt. The Arab Higher Committee led the campaign of terrorism against Jewish and British targets.

Using the turmoil of the Arab Revolt as cover, al-Husseini consolidated his control over the Palestinian Arabs with a campaign of murder against Jews and non-compliant Arabs, the recruitment of armed militias, and the raising of funds from around the Muslim world using anti-Jewish propaganda. In 1937 the Grand Mufti expressed his solidarity with Germany, asking the Nazi Third Reich to oppose establishment of a Jewish state, stop Jewish immigration to Palestine, and provide arms to the Arab population. Following an assassination attempt on the British Inspector-General of the Palestine Police Force and the murder by Arab extremists of Jews and moderate Arabs, the Arab Higher Committee was declared illegal by the British. The Grand Mufti lost his office of President of the Supreme muslim Council, his membership on the Waqf committee, and was forced into exile in Syria in 1937. The British deported the Arab mayor of Jerusalem along with other members of the Arab Higher Committee.

According to documentation from the Nuremberg and Eichmann trials, the Nazi Germany SS helped finance al-Husseini's efforts in the 1936-39 revolt in Palestine. Adolf Eichmann actually visited Palestine and met with al-Husseini at that time and subsequently maintained regular contact with him later in Berlin.

In 1940, al-Husseini requested the Axis powers to acknowledge the Arab right:

While in Baghdad, Syria al-Husseini aided the pro-Nazi revolt of 1941. He then spent the rest of World War II as Hitler's special guest in Berlin, advocating the extermination of Jews in radio broadcasts back to the Middle East and recruiting Balkan Muslims for infamous SS "mountain divisions" that tried to wipe out Jewish communities throughout the region.

At the Nuremberg Trials, Eichmann's deputy Dieter Wisliceny (subsequently executed as a war criminal) testified:

With the collapse of Nazi Germany in 1945, the Mufti moved to Egypt where he was received as a national hero. After the war al-Husseini was indicted by Yugoslavia for war crimes, but escaped prosecution. The Mufti was never tried because the Allies were afraid of the storm in the Arab world if the hero of Arab nationalism was treated as a war criminal.

From Egypt al-Husseini was among the sponsors of the 1948 war against the new State of Israel. Spurned by the Jordanian monarch, who gave the position of Grand Mufti of Jerusalem to someone else, Haj Amin al-Husseini arranged King Abdullah's assassination in 1951, while still living in exile in Egypt. King Tallal followed Abdullah as king of Jordan, and he refused to give permission to Amin al-Husseini to come into Jordanian Jerusalem. After one year, King Tallal was declared incompetent; the new King Hussein also refused to give al-Husseini permission to enter Jerusalem. King Hussein recognized that the former Grand Mufti would only stir up trouble and was a danger to peace in the region.

Haj Amin al-Husseini eventually died in exile in 1974. He never returned to Jerusalem after his 1937 departure. His place as leader of the radical, nationalist Palestinian Arabs was taken by his nephew Mohammed Abdel-Raouf Arafat As Qudwa al-Hussaeini, better known as Yasser Arafat. In August 2002, Arafat gave an interview in which he referred to "our hero al-Husseini" as a symbol of Palestinian Arab resistance.

Sources and additional reading on this topic:


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10 posted on 08/21/2003 7:17:26 AM PDT by yatros from flatwater
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To: adam_az
I don't think so. The goal here is to give the Pales enough rope to hang themselves. And, as someone else on this forum pointed out, possibly the last thing in the world the Pales want is a state of their own, because then they would be out of excuses, and their people would only have their own corrupt government to blame. On the fence, my understanding was that Bush didn't say, "don't build it."
11 posted on 08/21/2003 8:23:07 AM PDT by LS
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To: LS; Rome2000; dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; ...
<< Amin Al Husseini making the traditional nazi salute ...

.... The mufti, who was appointed to run Jerusalem after WW I ... [Loved the predatory, pagan-heathen, serial-sexually offending, death-and-destruction-worshipping, false-fuerher, Muhhumid's protegé, the predatory, pagan-heathen, serial-sexually offending, death-and-destruction-worshipping, false prophet] Hitler and had a picture of him in his office in the 1930s. >>

Never be scammed nor deluded into forgetting the source of Herr Hitler's fascisocialist inspiration.

Herr Hitler followed the islamanazis, not they him.


12 posted on 08/21/2003 8:32:26 AM PDT by Brian Allen ( Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Brian Allen
For the die hards only...

The Video is Here

Abu Shanab Killing Video

13 posted on 08/21/2003 8:36:34 AM PDT by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: LS
"The goal here is to give the Pales enough rope to hang themselves. And, as someone else on this forum pointed out, possibly the last thing in the world the Pales want is a state of their own, because then they would be out of excuses, and their people would only have their own corrupt government to blame."

Correcto, Larry. The Palies "want the issue," not the solution. Just like the Dems in this country who rail about this or that but resist efforts to actually pass an act that solves "this and that." They'd rather have the campaign issue than the solution.

Arafat is a campaigner - if an extremely violent and terroristic one. That's all he lives for. There is no goal for him, just the perpetuation of violence. The minute there's a Pally state, he has no reason to get up in the morning.

Michael

14 posted on 08/21/2003 8:41:04 AM PDT by Wright is right! (Have a profitable day!)
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To: dennisw
For the die hards only...

Thanks Dennis, dead Jew killers always make me smile...

Hellfire missiles, not just for tanks anymore.

15 posted on 08/21/2003 8:45:25 AM PDT by Jimmyclyde
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To: LS
I don't think so. The goal here is to give the Pales enough rope to hang themselves.

Unfortunately, they've been given more than that - they've been given enough rope to hang innocent Jews.

On the fence, my understanding was that Bush didn't say, "don't build it."

This comes damn close!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/958287/posts

"Bush administration officials are considering a reduction in loan guarantees to Israel as a penalty for constructing a security fence to separate Israelis from Palestinian areas."
16 posted on 08/21/2003 8:49:52 AM PDT by adam_az
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To: Rome2000
Wow!
If this is for real, and I believe it is..........
Then all of Israels pacification attempts with arafat and his cohorts always were and always will be futile.

Revelation is now more clear than ever.........
17 posted on 08/21/2003 9:02:59 AM PDT by joanil
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To: adam_az
"Bush administration officials." These are the same nameless people who are rolled out to undercut any Bush policy. I'll believe it when the Pres. says so.
18 posted on 08/21/2003 10:34:35 AM PDT by LS
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To: Wright is right!
Michael, what is your take on just flat assassinating Arafat? Would that be good, or would that just give the Pales a "martyr?" (as if they need another one).

At some point, I think Israel needs to send an unmistakable message that NO leader will be allowed to be a sponsor of terror.

19 posted on 08/21/2003 10:38:17 AM PDT by LS
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To: Brian Allen
Brian, with all due respect, I've read a lot about Hitler. I've actually read Mein Kampf, cover to cover. I have never once seen that he was in any way directly influenced by anything from Islam. Maybe indirectly in its hatred of Jews, but not once did he ever refer to the Koran, or to Islam, or anything like that.

The fact that the hyena runs with the lions, and eats the same antelope, nevertheless doesn't make a hyena a lion. It behooves conservatives to be accurate. If, however, you have direct evidence of Islam influencing Hitler, I'm open to it.

20 posted on 08/21/2003 10:41:01 AM PDT by LS
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