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'Buffalo Soldiers' aims high, misses
The Boston Globe ^ | 8/8/2003 | Janice Page

Posted on 08/08/2003 3:21:12 PM PDT by Radix

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:10:36 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

For all the controversy surrounding ''Buffalo Soldiers,'' you'd think the film would at least be interesting. Instead, Australian writer-director Gregor Jordan's adaptation of the 1992 novel by Robert O'Connor turns out to be much ado about nothing.

In case you haven't heard the saga: ''Buffalo Soldiers'' was bought by Miramax just before the tragedies of Sept. 11, 2001. Because of its subject matter -- US troops engaging in criminal activities overseas in the 1980s -- the film was labeled potentially unpatriotic and insensitive and had its release pushed back at least a half-dozen times by studio heads fearing a jingoistic backlash.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Unclassified
KEYWORDS: buffalosoldiers; movie; moviereview; review
This post may be a waste, but the important thing is that the flick is recognized as a dud.
1 posted on 08/08/2003 3:21:12 PM PDT by Radix
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; Long Cut; LindaSOG
Ping
2 posted on 08/08/2003 3:22:10 PM PDT by Radix
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To: Radix
After reading the insipid Jarhead, I am not interested in reading books or seeing films about the few criminals and degenerates that happen to be in our Armed Forces. Too many true stories of honor, sacrifice, and heroism are out there to waste my time with such crap.
3 posted on 08/08/2003 3:25:13 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: Radix
God forbid that Hollywood produce a movie about soldiers liberating children from Iraqi prisons. I guess that would conflict with The Agenda.
4 posted on 08/08/2003 3:26:03 PM PDT by Paul Atreides
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To: Trailerpark Badass
Somehow, I don't think that Hollywood will be doing a movie about the guy who threw the grenade in the tent of his fellow soldiers. Wasn't he a Muslim?
5 posted on 08/08/2003 3:27:06 PM PDT by Paul Atreides
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To: Radix
The worst thing about Buffalo Soliders to me is that they've stolen the title from what should be a fascinating movie about the 10th Cav, one of the all black units that fought Geronimo and invented many of the special forces doctrines still in use today.

They were also involved in an extremely racially charged incident during Teddy Roosevelts presidency, where the black soldiers, stationed in Brownsville, Texas, got fed up with being harrassed by the local equivelant of the kluckers and they went on their own little freedom ride, killing several townsfolk (rather indiscriminantly). TR was pretty liberal for his day and had been championing civil rights (even inviting the first black guest to the White House). When this incident happened, and not one of the black soldiers would say who had gone AWOL to riot in the town, he court martialed and cashiered the whole unit. It may be the beginning of the Republicans problems with the black community.

Now that's something I could get behind Jesse and Kwesi arguing with Hollywierd about. Wouldn't that be an interesting fight? "You ripped off our history for the title of a BAD movie!"

6 posted on 08/08/2003 3:38:08 PM PDT by Phsstpok
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To: Phsstpok
You're right. That's the only reason I clicked on this post. I thought it was going to be a new Denzel vehicle, something about the 10th cav.
7 posted on 08/08/2003 4:01:59 PM PDT by MoJoWork_n (We don't know what it is we don't know.)
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To: MoJoWork_n
I thought it was going to be a new Denzel vehicle, something about the 10th cav.

There are lot's of parts that Denzel could play, but he may think he already did this bit in Glory. I think it's too big a story to do right in a single movie. I'd love to see an HBO series, ala Band of Brothers or From The Earth To The Moon.

My actual fantasy is to have the Buffalo Soldiers be part of 3 or four episodes of a grand epic that covers from 1850 (enough before the Civil War to set the stage) to 1920 (enough after WW1 to show the aftermath). I've already got a rough outline if anyone is interested. Main characters are Sam Clemens, Edwin Booth (who saved the life of) Robert Todd Lincoln, General/Governor Lew Wallace (author of Ben Hur, judge at trial of Lincoln assasin conspiracy, Gov of New Mexico who ended Lincoln County Wars, ambassador to Ottoman Empire), Teddy Roosevelt, Nikola Tesla, Thomas Edison, George Westinghouse, Edward the Prince of Wales, Queen Victoria, Kaiser Wilhelm, etc. It's a good list and you can make a great case for these people either knowing each other or being connected through, at most, one other person.

8 posted on 08/08/2003 4:26:46 PM PDT by Phsstpok
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To: Radix
Thanks for posting this!
9 posted on 08/08/2003 5:19:40 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (God Bless and Protect our military and our allies military.)
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To: Radix
BOYCOTT DISNEY: a vortex of seductive evil™
10 posted on 08/08/2003 5:23:12 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: Radix
bump
11 posted on 08/10/2003 6:58:51 PM PDT by Soaring Feather
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To: Phsstpok
Sorry for late reply, but I was gone for the weekend. I really like the idea of an extended series, 'Band of Brothers'-type treatment. That would allow working in The Harlem Hellfighters, and men like Sgt. Henry Johnson:

www.reelwriter.com/hjohnson.shtm

www.militaryhistoryonline.com/wwi/articles/fightingforrespect.aspx

As to the rest of your cast list, I know Tesla [and Marconi?] and Westinghouse and Edison were on [different corners of] the same playing field, but what stadium tunnel did Kaiser Bill and Queen Victoria use to come in? [Besides the two of them being cousins, or whatever.]

12 posted on 08/12/2003 3:39:14 PM PDT by MoJoWork_n (We don't know what it is we don't know.)
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To: MoJoWork_n
but what stadium tunnel did Kaiser Bill and Queen Victoria use to come in? [Besides the two of them being cousins, or whatever.]

Well, the cousin thing is actually a grandmother / grandson thing, but that's a big part of it (the Kaiser's mom was one of Victoria's daughters, as was the Czarina, if I remember right). The way to get to stories involving them was through Clemens (on his trips to Europe he mingled with royalty in England and Germany) as well as through Robert Todd Lincoln, who was ambassador to England at one point in Victoria's reign. He certainly would have interacted with the Queen, and probably with the Kaiser as well. In addition Lew Wallace was ambassador to the Ottoman Empire (Turkey) at the same time and they were very heavily involved with the Kaiser, at least later, in the run up to WW1.

Hey, I'm assuming that I would have some artistic license, as well.

There's a new book I want to get (when I finish the new Tom Clancy I bought today) called Empires of Light about Edison, Tesla and Westinghouse and their competition to electrify the country. Based on the relative treatment by Hollywood and most history courses who would guess won?

13 posted on 08/12/2003 4:50:40 PM PDT by Phsstpok
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To: Phsstpok
If you get the "Empires of Light" book, you may find yourself wanting to know more about Tesla. This is the best online resource that I'm aware of:

http://www.tfcbooks.com

http://www.tfcbooks.com/mall/more/381tele.htm

Tesla was the inspiration for what started out as
"mad scientist invents killer ray gun" stories, and has since
morphed into a more familiar sci-fi concept, the "phaser".

He also did some interesting stuff with low-frequency
radiation and electrical power production. When Tesla was
just a kid, his brother drowned in an accident. He blamed (tortured) himself,
for years afterward. His curse, and indirectly, the blessing
that drove him to greatness...

Oops, gotta go. Kelly Rowland (Destiny's Child) is on Jay Leno...

By the way, I gotta ask, what is a "phsstpok"? The sound a balky steam engine makes?

14 posted on 08/12/2003 9:35:52 PM PDT by MoJoWork_n (We don't know what it is we don't know.)
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To: MoJoWork_n
Thanks for the references. I've read lots about Tesla, but wasn't aware of this particular web site. Great looking resource.

I've known about Tesla since I was a kid. My dad had told me, not about Tesla but about his own ideas as a kid about transmitting power over the air (never pursued, just something that fascinated him). When I stumbled across Tesla and his work in Colorado I became fascinated, both with the verifiable reality and the fringe stories that probably can never be proved. Lots of people still remember the myths and fantastic tales that inspired the "evil scientist" cliche, probably because that is what Edison's friends in the media played up to spin Tesla as a kook. I've tried to concentrate on the things that he really did produce and demonstrate. When I ask people about the patent on radio or inventing radio controlled torpedos they never associate those things with Tesla or come close to the real dates that he did them.

My favorite is laying out the question about Edison and Tesla competing to see whose electric system, AC or DC, would win out to electrify the country (I leave out Westinghouse most of the time, until I tell them who really won). Most everyone assume that Edison won, which to them means he invented AC. This is particularly true of older New Yorkers because of the old Edison Electric Company that served the NYC area.

Do you know the story of Sam Clemens discovering the laxative effects of high frequency electricity?

15 posted on 08/13/2003 4:20:44 AM PDT by Phsstpok
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To: MoJoWork_n
By the way, I gotta ask, what is a "phsstpok"? The sound a balky steam engine makes?

forgot to mention, this is a character from a Larry Niven story, Protector. It's part of his Known Space books, which includes probably his best known book Ringworld.

I've always pronounced the name as "fist-pok." I think Niven actually uses the "balky steam engine" analogy in his description. Horribly dated science in the science fiction of this story (one of his few forays into biology and evolution) but a fun read, particularly as part of the entire Known Space "universe."

16 posted on 08/13/2003 4:27:15 AM PDT by Phsstpok
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To: Radix
It will be interesting if we see this movie in military theaters.
17 posted on 08/13/2003 4:33:46 AM PDT by An American in Turkiye
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To: Phsstpok
I remember seeing this on the History channel a couple of years back. Not this insipid movie, but the Brownsville incident. What was really sad about this was a sarge who served with TR during the Spanish-American War, a 30 year vet, was also court martialed and busted out of the army. I also thought the same thing - was this the incident that soured relations with blacks and Republicans?
18 posted on 08/13/2003 4:37:22 AM PDT by 7thson (I think it takes a big dog to weigh a 100 pounds.)
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To: 7thson
was this the incident that soured relations with blacks and Republicans?

It certainly soured TR's relations, and it broke the almost automatic bond left from the Civil War and Lincoln between blacks and Republicans.

19 posted on 08/13/2003 2:43:44 PM PDT by Phsstpok
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