[wideawake]

Christian Zionism is based on a theology called dispensationalism.

Not necessarily. Not everyone who supports the Israeli position is a Left Behind cultist.

[Iscool]

This theology - popularized in the "Left Behind" novels

Sorry, but wrong again...This "theology" was popularized by GOD, in the Bible...

[joesnuffy]

Mainstream religous groups like the "National Council of Churches or the World Council of Churches"?

These "news releases" are often disinfo campaigns against Evangelicals of the "dispensationalist" persuasion...as there are no hard and fast rules here as to what that means exactly...or how that is germane in what one believes "what one must do in order to "be saved"

The common disinfo techinique has been to accuse Christians of being "Zionists" because they wish to "usher in" the return of Jesus...and believe they can...

Pretty far fetched..as no one I have read belives this is possible any more than the RoadMap could prevent Jesus from coming back..Or that Evangelicals of the "dispensationalist persuasion" believe that they have the power to manipulate God the Father or God the Son

He will return when He chooses to and was He promised ..not one second sooner or later...there is no one nor anything that man could possibly do to prevent delay or promote His return-a fact every Evangelical is accutely aware of ..or at least should be..

So the relationship between "dispensationalist" Evangelicals and Israel must be based upon something else entirely- imo

The promise made to Abraham ..I will bless those who bless thee and I will curse those who curse thee...for example

And the fact that God choose to become man through the Jewish/Hebrew/Israelite people
And that Jesus' concern for Jerusalem was so great He wept over her...for another example
there are many others-

Islam-imo- is a satanic religion that breeds terror...it is a death cult...to appease it to give in to it to reward it is simply wrong...for Christians to back The foolishness of trusting peace let alone keeping promises to terrorists is -imo- pure foolishness...

Perhaps to steal Israeli land and give it to terrorists seems like the ticket to peace..but the gross inequity the injustice of giving land to murderers rapists theives terrorists seems like a breach of promise to me..

I am reminded of the words of our president: "From this day forward, any nation that continues to harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime."
- President GW Bush

[almcbean]

The flaw in their argument is this-anything ordained or promised by god will happen no matter what we do. Their argument is basically that man is screwing up God's plan- which is impossible. I like Bauer, and am not a Robertson basher, despite his occasional foot-in mouth disease. What this demonstrates is the problem we can get into when we let our politics influence our theology.

[SJackson]

If you'd like to be on or off this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.

[nmh]

Psssst ... in case someone is curious as to what God says about all this ... there will appear to be "peace" but that will be short lived. Bottom line is that no matter what mere human leaders do there will be NO long lasting peace in the middle east. That's what God says ... until the Prince of Peace comes ... .

[dennisw]

The righteous Christian Zionists are smarter than the Jews. Smarter about Islam and what the unending Jihad of Mohammed is all about.

[Salem]

Yoni posted this same one yesterday here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/952911/posts

The comments on this thread are better though.

What irks me the most is that Evangelical Christian support for Israel -- one writer characterized it as "ferocious," which works for me -- in the face of a growing global hostility against Israel, is being demonized and mischaracterized, and Evangelicals who are thus, as holding to an apocalyptic worldview and therefore to be mistrusted and kept at a distance.

The inherrant danger in this should be obvious to anybody, including those who have studied military history as well as having served in any armed forces.

If Israel's supporters (Jew or Christian -- it doesn't matter) in the face of this transparent and reckless slander allow the moral and political support of Israel to be degraded to the point that the lunatics in the Middle East who think they can still take down Israel or the United States are emboldened to do so, "Armageddon" becomes a self fulfilling prophecy when Israel is finally attacked.

That is what is so insidious about this.

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[Alouette]

As an Orthodox Jew, I am grateful for the support of Christian Friends of Israel. Sadly to say, there are some Jews who mistrust their motives, particularly in sponsoring the fine "Nefesh B'Nefesh" program, for which, it is claimed, "They expect Jews to convert to Christianity."

This is completely idiotic. For one thing, most of the Jews who participate in "Nefesh B'Nefesh" have their own scriptural understanding of prophecy. I have the utmost admiration and respect for our Christian supporters, yet one Freeper (now ZOTTED) had the audacity to accuse me of being a "mouthpiece" for "missionaries."

Well, I AM a missionary, but I witness Orthodox Judaism to other Jews. That's a bad thing?

[Jeremiah Jr]

Revelation 13

1 And the dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. He had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on his horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.
2 The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority.